Dirt bike conversions in Washington? - Page 2

tod701 · 08-19-2012, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by SpeedTriple

So let me ask this, about that... Are you required to pay for dual registration after this inspection process? I got my KDX converted and signed off and my local office is telling me I get the privilege of paying for both a plate and orv sticker every year. They are also telling me it doesn't do a thing for the "brand" on the title that says it's not eligible for on road use. I would think they would atleast change the "brand" to say that it's been converted. No?

Persuant to RCW46.61.701(1)(b), you are required to dual register the converted motorcycle.

See link:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.705

The comment block on your new title should say "Modified For Road Use"

The brand block states "Not Actual"

Your street registration will also be marked with something similar.

shelbyguy · 08-19-2012, 01:34 PM

is the necessary "dual registry" new?

as it used to be if you have a plate, your good to go

and recently got my SMR plated, was told by the lic office that it was no longer necessary to have the orv tabs/permit as the bike now has a plate which makes it legal for both on road and off road.

tod701 · 08-19-2012, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by shelbyguy

is the necessary "dual registry" new?

as it used to be if you have a plate, your good to go

and recently got my SMR plated, was told by the lic office that it was no longer necessary to have the orv tabs/permit as the bike now has a plate which makes it legal for both on road and off road.

2011 Senate Bill SB5800 was enacted 1-January-2012.
Bikes converted via that process must retain their ORV permits.
If you get a bike inspected by the State Patrol and converted via the old process there is no requirement to have ORV permits.

shelbyguy · 08-19-2012, 03:49 PM

odd.

just plated it 2 weeks ago

SpeedTriple · 08-19-2012, 06:51 PM

My licensing office was going to do it without issueing a new title. In fact they caled the transaction an NTI, no title issued... maybe I need to find a lisencing outfit who is up on this a little better. I took my title in and my signed off inspection sheet, and she handed the title back and told me that I keep that and she just does the dual registration. I tell you, the dual registration has the same effect on me as the Discouraging Pass (Discovery Pass)... I'm not convinced it's worth it for a few months of decent riding weather a year. I thought the bill that was passed allowed a guy to convert his dirt bike for street use completely. Not have to pay for both privleges... A plate on your dual sport (or a jeep for that matter) allows you to be both on road and off, but not if it started out as a dirt bike. I think I'll pass...

Thanks for the info and clarification, should have known it was too good to be true.

uber1 · 08-19-2012, 08:44 PM

No orv tabs for me..title is not tagged "for off road use only".....vehicle type says "MX"........ha

tod701 · 08-20-2012, 07:07 AM

Hopefully the DoL won't discover that a bunch of subagents are screwing up and pull a move like they did last year and revoke all the converted titles without notice.

uber1 · 08-20-2012, 07:10 AM

Mine has been that way since 2008.....

Texasl · 08-20-2012, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by tod701

Hopefully the DoL won't discover that a bunch of subagents are screwing up and pull a move like they did last year and revoke all the converted titles without notice.

If they do are we prepared with a plan of action? remember, it will be a long session, so we have to be ready for all sorts of legislative "fixes."

tod701 · 08-20-2012, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Texasl

If they do are we prepared with a plan of action? remember, it will be a long session, so we have to be ready for all sorts of legislative "fixes."

Sounds more like a problem with subagent training rather than the law itself.

Now the Discover Pass, that is another matter.
I'm working with Senate committee staff on fixing the way the DNR is misapplying the requirement when it comes to dual registered vehicles.

SpeedTriple · 08-20-2012, 10:06 AM

There should be no such thing as dual registration. It's either an orv or road legal.

Anyway, I'll check another sub-agent or two and then give up if they insist on dual taxation.

I do appreciate the clarification and all the work that went into trying to make this possible (tod701), for me it isn't working on this bike.

ktmmx · 08-20-2012, 10:06 AM

Just converted my WR250F with a kit off of e-bay. Hubby did a nice job installing it. My local mc shop said they would inspect it, not too costly.

I still need DOT tires but I dont want to change out until after my last MOSES LAKE sand dunes trip!!!!
Then I will get the inspection.. and that should be that!

I just love the thought of being able to ride from home in town, up to any logging road and trails, without having to load it in my truck!!! FREEDOM!!

tod701 · 08-20-2012, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by SpeedTriple

There should be no such thing as dual registration. It's either an orv or road legal.

The problem is that the ORV permit system provides most of the funding for trails where motorized use is allowed. Additional funding comes from gas tax based on ORV usage.

Nothing from street plates goes to fund ORV trails.

Should some of the trail riders have to pick up the tab for the rest?

That is one reason why dual registration came to be.

SpeedTriple · 08-20-2012, 11:11 AM

I am going to respectfully decline entering into a discussion about funding orv trails. They will spend more money putting up gates and closing a trail due to a washout or whatever, than they would spend fixing a trail. (I am fully familiar with how gov't land/trail closures work, I have been a wheeler for 20+ years, my jeep just sits since moving here) I have no intention of using the orv system here (not that there is any locally to speak of). This is why I want to plate the dirtbike... Again, thanks for all your efforts and I'm sure the program works for alot of people but it doesn't look like it will for me unless I can find a sub-agent that will do me a new title and not make me dual register the bike. My intention was/is not to derail this thread, there's enough of that going on around here. I was simply looking for clarification on what my local sub-agent was telling me.


08-19-2012, 01:34 PM	#22
shelbyguy Picture Whore Joined: Apr 2008 From: lacey I Ride: Aprilia Factory, 525SMR, DRZ400sm, and a gaggle of others	is the necessary "dual registry" new? as it used to be if you have a plate, your good to go and recently got my SMR plated, was told by the lic office that it was no longer necessary to have the orv tabs/permit as the bike now has a plate which makes it legal for both on road and off road. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by shelbyguy; 08-19-2012 at 01:36 PM..


08-19-2012, 03:49 PM	#24
shelbyguy Picture Whore Joined: Apr 2008 From: lacey I Ride: Aprilia Factory, 525SMR, DRZ400sm, and a gaggle of others	odd. just plated it 2 weeks ago __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-19-2012, 06:51 PM	#25
SpeedTriple Training Wheels Joined: Jan 2009 From: Spokompton I Ride: '01 Speed Triple, '82 XL500R-SM, '71 Yamaha R5, '62 SuperCub, '75 CB550 with a hack! 2007 Aprilia RXV	Title My licensing office was going to do it without issueing a new title. In fact they caled the transaction an NTI, no title issued... maybe I need to find a lisencing outfit who is up on this a little better. I took my title in and my signed off inspection sheet, and she handed the title back and told me that I keep that and she just does the dual registration. I tell you, the dual registration has the same effect on me as the Discouraging Pass (Discovery Pass)... I'm not convinced it's worth it for a few months of decent riding weather a year. I thought the bill that was passed allowed a guy to convert his dirt bike for street use completely. Not have to pay for both privleges... A plate on your dual sport (or a jeep for that matter) allows you to be both on road and off, but not if it started out as a dirt bike. I think I'll pass... Thanks for the info and clarification, should have known it was too good to be true. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by SpeedTriple; 08-19-2012 at 06:54 PM..


08-19-2012, 08:44 PM	#26
uber1 Endorsed Joined: Nov 2010 From: Bellevue, Wa.	No orv tabs for me..title is not tagged "for off road use only".....vehicle type says "MX"........ha __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-20-2012, 07:07 AM	#27
tod701 Endorsed Joined: Apr 2011 From: Stanwood, WA I Ride: CRF250X	Hopefully the DoL won't discover that a bunch of subagents are screwing up and pull a move like they did last year and revoke all the converted titles without notice. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-20-2012, 07:10 AM	#28
uber1 Endorsed Joined: Nov 2010 From: Bellevue, Wa.	Mine has been that way since 2008..... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-20-2012, 10:06 AM	#31
SpeedTriple Training Wheels Joined: Jan 2009 From: Spokompton I Ride: '01 Speed Triple, '82 XL500R-SM, '71 Yamaha R5, '62 SuperCub, '75 CB550 with a hack! 2007 Aprilia RXV	Dual Registered There should be no such thing as dual registration. It's either an orv or road legal. Anyway, I'll check another sub-agent or two and then give up if they insist on dual taxation. I do appreciate the clarification and all the work that went into trying to make this possible (tod701), for me it isn't working on this bike. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-20-2012, 10:06 AM	#32
ktmmx Endorsed Joined: Sep 2008 From: Port Angeles, WA I Ride: KTM, Yamaha, Dust to Glory	Just converted my WR250F with a kit off of e-bay. Hubby did a nice job installing it. My local mc shop said they would inspect it, not too costly. I still need DOT tires but I dont want to change out until after my last MOSES LAKE sand dunes trip!!!! Then I will get the inspection.. and that should be that! I just love the thought of being able to ride from home in town, up to any logging road and trails, without having to load it in my truck!!! FREEDOM!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-20-2012, 11:11 AM	#34
SpeedTriple Training Wheels Joined: Jan 2009 From: Spokompton I Ride: '01 Speed Triple, '82 XL500R-SM, '71 Yamaha R5, '62 SuperCub, '75 CB550 with a hack! 2007 Aprilia RXV	ORV "funding" I am going to respectfully decline entering into a discussion about funding orv trails. They will spend more money putting up gates and closing a trail due to a washout or whatever, than they would spend fixing a trail. (I am fully familiar with how gov't land/trail closures work, I have been a wheeler for 20+ years, my jeep just sits since moving here) I have no intention of using the orv system here (not that there is any locally to speak of). This is why I want to plate the dirtbike... Again, thanks for all your efforts and I'm sure the program works for alot of people but it doesn't look like it will for me unless I can find a sub-agent that will do me a new title and not make me dual register the bike. My intention was/is not to derail this thread, there's enough of that going on around here. I was simply looking for clarification on what my local sub-agent was telling me. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by SpeedTriple; 08-20-2012 at 11:17 AM..

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