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Old 08-16-2012, 11:17 AM   #21
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Sorry you think it's too expensive. OPRT was put together as a non profit 501c3 in order to make track days more affordable. Thus they have the least expensive days for both Pacific Raceways and The Ridge. We usually have a nice turnout of supermotos too. I'm sure you'd learn a thing or two about your supermoto and possibly crash less and have more fun.

OPRT is renting the facilities from Pacific and Ridge. That's how it's done. Then OPRT incurs all the risk of low turnout, weather, and liabilities. Additional costs come in with corner workers - at least 4 at Pacific and 7 at Ridge, general liability insurance for the org and the track owners, radio rental, cone rental, portapotty rental (yes...even Pacific charges this), air fence rental in certain corners (this is not cheap), ambulance and medic rental, and the list keeps on growing.

I'm not familiar with how MX is run. Judging from your sentiment, you just show up, pay $35, and have free reign of the track? That's not how road courses are run. Way too dangerous. We have to regulate 3 groups to keep speeds fairly even between the groups - and that hardly minimizes the speed difference. Just from a safety perspective, a road course need more attention.

The cost of building and maintaining the facilities is massive. With MX you can just run a water truck and a bobcat. Road courses require much more like graders and asphalt. Obviously more means more costs. How long is an MX track? Surely it isn't 2.25 miles like the road course. The sheer size of it mandates additional costs to maintain.

I understand your nieve statements on how much it should cost once the pavement is poured. Certainly Pacific has it paid for by now. But - the initial cost of laying it down is in the millions. The Ridge will be doing a final coat over the current DOT mix. Their asphalt costs are higher than Pacific already. It's losing money in the beginning to make money at the end.

I know I can't convince you of the justification of charging someone $165 for a track day. I'll just chalk it up to your inexperience with road courses. If you do change your mind about riding at the track maybe you can score a free day or something of the like. OPRT has been known to give days away to PNWRider members and the response has been positive. Or talk nicely to any of the staff members and maybe score a discount. Most are in pretty good with the directors.

Final thought - There are ways to get on the track cheaper to see if you like it. One is Taste of Racing, held by WMRRA. For $20 bucks plus a $10 gate fee you get to ride on the track for a session over the lunch hour. Maybe give that shot since it's in your price range. Or if you want to come to an OPRT day, they can probably accommodate a similar "try it before you buy it" session to help change your mind.
Ah. Thanks for all the info. I have a better grasp on the whole deal now, I knew there had to be a ton a shit i didn't know. And for the record I I've only crashed once! Haha.... So far.

Mx is split into many different groups as well btw. Unless there's super low turn out having free reign doesn't happen lol.

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Old 08-16-2012, 11:21 AM   #22
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Well worth the 165.00. I've ridden dirt most of my life and this is my first year of riding road courses. There really is a huge difference and the cost is more than justified. The effort that the different organizers put into these track days are massive compared to dirt.

I'm not trying to take anything away from mx track operators/organizers, I have a lot of respect for them too. They are both expensive sports, but for the love of two wheels....

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Old 08-16-2012, 10:03 PM   #23
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Thinking about attending. Are the Levels 1,2, and 3 similar to 2Fast's 100, 200, and 300? I've only been to one 2Fast trackday, they kicked me out of 200, so if I can go I'd like to start in the right group. FWIW, $165 seems cheap.

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Old 08-16-2012, 10:17 PM   #24
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Thinking about attending. Are the Levels 1,2, and 3 similar to 2Fast's 100, 200, and 300? I've only been to one 2Fast trackday, they kicked me out of 200, so if I can go I'd like to start in the right group. FWIW, $165 seems cheap.
Yup. Levels are similar.

Kicked you out of 200? To what level?

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Old 08-16-2012, 10:28 PM   #25
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To 300. I was out there with a lot of racebikes, it was a lot of fun and probably safer than in the 200 group. I just missed a session when I was "escorted" off the track by a marshall, then had to find some sticker person before letting me back out on the track. I guess they were trying to even out the groups, and the 300 sessions had much less traffic.

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Old 08-21-2012, 08:16 PM   #26
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Who else? looks like we have 4 B-hammers so far

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Old 08-21-2012, 08:59 PM   #27
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I guess they were trying to even out the groups, and the 300 sessions had much less traffic.
possible but more likely your pace was faster than the avg 200 and you were the "unsafe" factor for the slower folks. bummer you missed a session tho.

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Old 08-22-2012, 08:35 PM   #28
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Out. Kids racing BMX, at least I'll be at a racetrack somewhere.

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Old 08-23-2012, 12:24 PM   #29
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I'll be there

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Old 08-23-2012, 06:25 PM   #30
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Are you guys heading down friday night or Saturday?

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