MC Clubs Question - Page 5

dwschultzy · 04-23-2010, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Degenerate

I will be happy to get anyone in contact with some of these individuals and video tape the outcome of them telling the MC where to stick it and how it is going to be. I also in-courage you to bring a friend or two.

My number is in my signature if anyone want's to step up to the plate. This would be a awesome youtube everyone can enjoy

not worth it

woodpecker · 04-23-2010, 11:59 PM

"I will be happy to get anyone in contact with some of these individuals and video tape the outcome of them telling the MC where to stick it and how it is going to be. I also in-courage you to bring a friend or two. My number is in my signature if anyone want's to step up to the plate. This would be a awesome youtube everyone can enjoy"

This is exactly why there is such a negative view on MC clubs. Funny how this thread started out one way and ended up exactly where those of us who dont look at MC clubs as positive see them.

Also, I should be able to wear whatever I want when riding whether it be a tee shirt or a vest with some cool patches that I like or might mean something to me without anyone getting offended or TRYing to act on it. As long as it isnt their club patch why should they care? Hell, I give more for this country than just about any of the members of any MC club so who are they to tell me what I can/cant wear?

Just my opinion...since it was asked for before the thread turned into the above mentioned.

Degenerate · 04-24-2010, 07:15 AM

dwschultzy · 04-24-2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Degenerate

Ya your right. I guess it is too much to ask now days for someone to step up to the plate. my bad.

now you're acting like a fool

are you really calling people out for a fight?
because of some patches on a vest

go fuck yourself and your fucking club......come take the patches off my leathers....you fucking tool

Devil_Doc · 04-24-2010, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Degenerate

Well at first there was some friction, but it has been worked completely out. The patch doesn't hold the colors of that club. We have our own colors and a completely different spelling Ghost Ryderz Extreme. like I said we are respected by the dominating 1% in the area. In the MC world each club is different and is run their own way. There club is their club.

3 patches?

Originally Posted by strangerin

I suppose if you think of these clubs as being "godfather" types it's necessary, still I'd personaly think that being approved by 1% motorcycle clubs (esp the three named) is kind of a left handed endorsement. Sort of like: My daycare is certified by Joseph Goebbels.

When a club goes through the COC or NUBA, they aren't looking for an endorsement, they're showing respect to other clubs. It's not asking permission to exist per se, more about legitimacy. And as far as the %1ers, you're damn right I want to get their input on my patch. Same reason that i'd move out of the way if I saw 30 dudes in tight formation coming up behind me on the road. It doesn't mean i'm a pussy, but it's important to remember that some of these clubs are playing by a different set of rules. It's respect, pure and simple. I really don't want anyone out there feeling like my colors are a threat to them. It's not what my club is about, which is another reason for joining a confederation. It lets other parties clearly know who and what you're about.

Originally Posted by dwschultzy

and its this dumb ass gang mentality that will always give MC's a bad rep

so the fuck what if some group of middle aged men wanted to have a couple patches made for just them?
you're going to beat them down and strip them of their "colors" just because they didnt clear it with the COC?

grow the fuck up....this isnt high school and your gang means nothing

You're right. Unfortunately, the reality of the situation isn't ideal. I try and limit my interactions with groups or people that might become violent. Not what i'm about.. FWIW, the COC wouldn't be stripping anyones colors. The COC would be the group that lets someone know that "hey, you might want to change something" before other groups decide to ask you in their own way.

Degenerate.. I can appreciate what you're trying to do here, but this is just the wrong venue. Let me try and help explain what I think Degenerate is trying to say.
I am an officer in a local MC. We are all about riding, community and family. During the summer months, we're generally involved in 1 to 2 fundraisers or community events per week. We don't threaten anyone and we don't allow criminals, but we are mindful that we are living in an imperfect world. This is why our vests look a certain way, or colors are what they are, and we treat certain people the way we do. As an MC, we exist inside the bubble of other MC's influence. As such, we want to know who is going to help us further our mission, who is going to detract from it, and very importantly, whose backyard will I be wearing my patch in? Just common sense..

Some ride in clubs, some don't. To each their own..

woodpecker · 04-24-2010, 09:13 AM

[QUOTE=Devil_Doc;2104837]3 patches?

You're right. Unfortunately, the reality of the situation isn't ideal. I try and limit my interactions with groups or people that might become violent. Not what i'm about.. FWIW, the COC wouldn't be stripping anyones colors. The COC would be the group that lets someone know that "hey, you might want to change something" before other groups decide to ask you in their own way.

"I understand what your saying and appreciate the explanation. My question (and again I'm not apart of a MC and know little about them/just not my thing) is why would a MC feel threatened or care what anyone is wearing. Just doesnt make sense to me. Please explain that (even via PM if more appropriate)"

Degenerate.. I can appreciate what you're trying to do here, but this is just the wrong venue. Let me try and help explain what I think Degenerate is trying to say.
I am an officer in a local MC. We are all about riding, community and family. During the summer months, we're generally involved in 1 to 2 fundraisers or community events per week. We don't threaten anyone and we don't allow criminals, but we are mindful that we are living in an imperfect world. This is why our vests look a certain way, or colors are what they are, and we treat certain people the way we do. As an MC, we exist inside the bubble of other MC's influence. As such, we want to know who is going to help us further our mission, who is going to detract from it, and very importantly, whose backyard will I be wearing my patch in? Just common sense..

Some ride in clubs, some don't. To each their own..

"Correct: Degenerate did start this thread with that intention but we didnt much further than page two before the "step up to the plate" mentality started. Doesnt seem like the message at all anymore...and seems to have taken the usual MC club BS which keeps most of us not wanting anything to do with them (and a few other reasons of course). This doesnt apply for all clubs...I've never had anyone from "FTR" or "Combat Vets" ever ask me to "step up to the plate" because I didnt agree with them on something."

woodpecker · 04-24-2010, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Degenerate

Ya your right. I guess it is too much to ask now days for someone to step up to the plate. my bad.

Interesting response.

Some clarification please? Earlier in this thread you stated that your MC club had nothing to do with 1% clubs or the one with a very similar name. You said it wasnt what your club was about yet your more recent posts are proving otherwise. Which is is and why the sudden turn to "the plate"?

Lepy · 04-24-2010, 10:14 AM

A friend and I tried to start a "riding group" with vests and a patch. We found out that it was highly recommended to get it cleared/ show respect to the MC in charge of our area. We didn't like this much and it really down sized the group. We all read up on the banditos and figured out they have done some pretty extreme stuff. The PR guy from kitsap banditos contacted us and invited us to their church to talk. I would be bullshitting if i said it didn't scare the shit out of me. Our group was about 45 people the week before the MC contacted us. By the time we showed up to talk to the MC, we had 7 people. I stepped up as the leader/prez and talked to many of the members of the MC. I treated everyone there with my full respect, I got the same reception from each one of them. They asked me questions about my intentions and plans for the group, what out patch would look like and what we wanted out of the group in general. They bought me food and a couple of drinks. They informed me of the lines between MC and Group, explained why and what it meant to them. IMHO some of the nicest guys, I found out that week that clubs like this fight for biker rights and strive for biker awareness. Just as we all do. The group that my friend and I started fell apart though the winter and it all became more clear to me why we had to clear what we were doing with the local MC. A bunch of punk kids get vests and make themselves look as if they are a MC, They tear up the streets trying to be "gangsters or tough guys", cause problems with police and the community. Once the weekend is over, they take off their vests and get back to their work week. Meanwhile the folks that are WAY MORE SERIOUS than 99% of bikers are still out there with their vests on, trying to maintain a lifestyle that they have worked really hard to maintain. The community looks at them like they were our buddies that caused trouble, they wear those vests everyday. The group environment is much harder to maintain then I thought, what MC's have is amazing.

They didn't kick our asses, beat us up or show any disrespect.

If you don't want to ride in a group, then don't. Nobody is pressuring you to join. Shame on any of you who look down on the ones of us that do want to be apart of a group of any kind. I think the brotherhood that groups or clubs have is amazing, I was in the military and I miss the instant brotherhood that I shared with every single service member. Shame on those who think that it is childish for wanting a connection like that.

rogera · 04-24-2010, 07:24 PM

Doc and Lepy are right on the money here. Anyone that wants to start a group of riders has to deal with reality.. Respect is huge amongst MC clubs and most all are nice guys if they are shown respect.. most will also treat you with respect.

KevinD · 04-24-2010, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by rogera

Respect is huge amongst MC clubs and most all are nice guys if they are shown respect.. most will also treat you with respect.

I used to know some true "bikers." I believe they were Hell's Angels. A couple of families living in a big house. Some of the nicest, most helpful people you'd ever meet. They simply had a lifestyle different than most.
So what?

KevinD

smoothytaggert · 04-25-2010, 06:31 AM

^^ love the history of the Angels... Beatles Silver Hammer anyone?
Careful what Badge you do put on your Jacket... You may not know what it stands for..

dwschultzy · 04-25-2010, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Lepy

If you don't want to ride in a group, then don't. Nobody is pressuring you to join. Shame on any of you who look down on the ones of us that do want to be apart of a group of any kind. I think the brotherhood that groups or clubs have is amazing, I was in the military and I miss the instant brotherhood that I shared with every single service member. Shame on those who think that it is childish for wanting a connection like that.

i could care less if anyone joins a group/club

the club atmosphere just is not my thing.......i've been around it every since i was born.....i dont need a bunch of keyboard wanna be's tell me what a club is all about.....and especially try and tell me what a "1%er" club is about

i grew up thinking it was a normal thing to have 10,15,20+ bikes at my house at any given time or day
i grew up thinking it was a normal thing for me to be shoved in a "run truck" at a moments notice to go pick up a broken or downed bike
i grew up thinking that it was normal to call all your dads friends not by their names....but by the nicknames that were on their leathers

i could go on and on and on as to what i saw before the age of ten that i could almost promise non of you have been through in the name of the "club"

what i have a problem with is the fact that some take it so serious that they will go out of their way to make others feel uncomfortable for not being part of a club
or
make threats that if their club in any way shape or form.....does not like whats on the other persons leathers.....they will come and take those items off and "inforce" the rules of the coc

i was pretty much told by a "club" just recently that i couldnt go and have breakfast at a public restaurant with a guy i was riding with because thats where they were all meeting up and it was a "club" thing
its laughable how some of the fags around here try and take their patches and leathers so seriously

i dont wear "vests"
but
like i said before.....you dont like whats sown on my leathers........come take them off

dwschultzy · 04-25-2010, 07:48 AM

all of the things you guys list for wanting to be part of a "club"

are the same reasons why kids join gangs.....just sayin

Borgnine · 04-25-2010, 08:57 AM

This thread is rubbish.

smoothytaggert · 04-25-2010, 10:12 AM

I have a question though concerning a 'group'
listen carefully now...

do you sign into pnwriders daily?

maybe it's just me but I consider ^this^ as being part of a group...

Wild Angel · 04-25-2010, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by dwschultzy

i grew up thinking that it was normal to call all your "MOM's" friends not by their names....but by the nicknames that were on their leathers

i could go on and on and on as to what i saw before the age of ten that i could almost promise NON OF YOU have been through in the name of the "club"

Hmmm You think you were the only one interesting that you think that NO ONE else on this Forum grew up with 1% all around them all the time all the time. Club are not all the same some have traditions that go way back some puff up and toss the weight around but some are VERY VERY good and also have old traditions I think it is only fare to hold dislike to the "wrong valued clubs" and respect for others traditions. BUT if you want to LABEL clubs then lets LABEL bikers if you ride 2 wheels in others eye you are a "DIRTY BIKER" Labels are gay and out of style to each there own everyone is different and you should not judge a book by its cover.

koorbloh · 04-25-2010, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by smoothytaggert

I have a question though concerning a 'group'
listen carefully now...

do you sign into pnwriders daily?

maybe it's just me but I consider ^this^ as being part of a group...

I do.

but it's not a club.

loosely controlled conglomerations of people are much different than tightly controlled clubs.

yes, this forum is a group of people, and so are clubs. that doesn't mean they are the same thing.

smoothytaggert · 04-25-2010, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by koorbloh

I do.

but it's not a club.

loosely controlled conglomerations of people are much different than tightly controlled clubs.

yes, this forum is a group of people, and so are clubs. that doesn't mean they are the same thing.

sometimes I really do wonder though...
same drama...
we all hang out at one time or another...
and there's always some type of banter that should/shouldn't, may or may not offend people, and we are regarded in some circles as inappropriate... pretty sure those marks are some 'highlights' of this group - - - - incidently there's more and you know it HAAAAAAAAA oh God I kill me

dwschultzy · 04-25-2010, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Wild Angel

you should not judge a book by its cover.

show me where i've judged a book by its cover

i dont care for clubs.....but i dont have a problem with them
like i said.....i grew up in that environment

the problems i have are people who think they need to threaten or act as if there really is a guidline to riding motorcycles with a group of friends

if you want to label your group of friends you ride with as a "club"
go for it
but dont think the group of friends i ride with has to pay some kind of highschool "respect" towards you because we're riding our bikes

plain and simple
there are no guidlines.....i dont remember having to ask a group if i could buy my motorcycle....i sure as hell am not going to ask permission for me to have a group of friends to ride with

Degenerate · 04-25-2010, 12:28 PM

My humble apologies this thread has gone in a downward direction and I take responsibility for this. We all ride for our own personal reasons that is why we are a diverse group. It would be my honor to one day hear about ghost riders member helping a Fellow rider on the side of the road broke down, crashed, or in need and change their mind about the Traditional MC. My final thoughts on this thread are Stay safe, stay up and keep up with only your self.


04-23-2010, 11:59 PM	#82
woodpecker Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: your mommas house I Ride: skinny hot women with bit TT's	"I will be happy to get anyone in contact with some of these individuals and video tape the outcome of them telling the MC where to stick it and how it is going to be. I also in-courage you to bring a friend or two. My number is in my signature if anyone want's to step up to the plate. This would be a awesome youtube everyone can enjoy" This is exactly why there is such a negative view on MC clubs. Funny how this thread started out one way and ended up exactly where those of us who dont look at MC clubs as positive see them. Also, I should be able to wear whatever I want when riding whether it be a tee shirt or a vest with some cool patches that I like or might mean something to me without anyone getting offended or TRYing to act on it. As long as it isnt their club patch why should they care? Hell, I give more for this country than just about any of the members of any MC club so who are they to tell me what I can/cant wear? Just my opinion...since it was asked for before the thread turned into the above mentioned. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


04-24-2010, 07:15 AM	#83
Degenerate Peg Dragger Joined: Aug 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Busa.	... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Degenerate; 04-26-2010 at 09:42 AM..


04-24-2010, 09:13 AM	#86
woodpecker Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: your mommas house I Ride: skinny hot women with bit TT's	[QUOTE=Devil_Doc;2104837]3 patches? You're right. Unfortunately, the reality of the situation isn't ideal. I try and limit my interactions with groups or people that might become violent. Not what i'm about.. FWIW, the COC wouldn't be stripping anyones colors. The COC would be the group that lets someone know that "hey, you might want to change something" before other groups decide to ask you in their own way. "I understand what your saying and appreciate the explanation. My question (and again I'm not apart of a MC and know little about them/just not my thing) is why would a MC feel threatened or care what anyone is wearing. Just doesnt make sense to me. Please explain that (even via PM if more appropriate)" Degenerate.. I can appreciate what you're trying to do here, but this is just the wrong venue. Let me try and help explain what I think Degenerate is trying to say. I am an officer in a local MC. We are all about riding, community and family. During the summer months, we're generally involved in 1 to 2 fundraisers or community events per week. We don't threaten anyone and we don't allow criminals, but we are mindful that we are living in an imperfect world. This is why our vests look a certain way, or colors are what they are, and we treat certain people the way we do. As an MC, we exist inside the bubble of other MC's influence. As such, we want to know who is going to help us further our mission, who is going to detract from it, and very importantly, whose backyard will I be wearing my patch in? Just common sense.. Some ride in clubs, some don't. To each their own.. "Correct: Degenerate did start this thread with that intention but we didnt much further than page two before the "step up to the plate" mentality started. Doesnt seem like the message at all anymore...and seems to have taken the usual MC club BS which keeps most of us not wanting anything to do with them (and a few other reasons of course). This doesnt apply for all clubs...I've never had anyone from "FTR" or "Combat Vets" ever ask me to "step up to the plate" because I didnt agree with them on something." __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by woodpecker; 04-24-2010 at 09:16 AM..


04-24-2010, 10:14 AM	#88
Lepy Peg Dragger Joined: Mar 2010 From: Gig Harbor, wa Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: because it tickles	A friend and I tried to start a "riding group" with vests and a patch. We found out that it was highly recommended to get it cleared/ show respect to the MC in charge of our area. We didn't like this much and it really down sized the group. We all read up on the banditos and figured out they have done some pretty extreme stuff. The PR guy from kitsap banditos contacted us and invited us to their church to talk. I would be bullshitting if i said it didn't scare the shit out of me. Our group was about 45 people the week before the MC contacted us. By the time we showed up to talk to the MC, we had 7 people. I stepped up as the leader/prez and talked to many of the members of the MC. I treated everyone there with my full respect, I got the same reception from each one of them. They asked me questions about my intentions and plans for the group, what out patch would look like and what we wanted out of the group in general. They bought me food and a couple of drinks. They informed me of the lines between MC and Group, explained why and what it meant to them. IMHO some of the nicest guys, I found out that week that clubs like this fight for biker rights and strive for biker awareness. Just as we all do. The group that my friend and I started fell apart though the winter and it all became more clear to me why we had to clear what we were doing with the local MC. A bunch of punk kids get vests and make themselves look as if they are a MC, They tear up the streets trying to be "gangsters or tough guys", cause problems with police and the community. Once the weekend is over, they take off their vests and get back to their work week. Meanwhile the folks that are WAY MORE SERIOUS than 99% of bikers are still out there with their vests on, trying to maintain a lifestyle that they have worked really hard to maintain. The community looks at them like they were our buddies that caused trouble, they wear those vests everyday. The group environment is much harder to maintain then I thought, what MC's have is amazing. They didn't kick our asses, beat us up or show any disrespect. If you don't want to ride in a group, then don't. Nobody is pressuring you to join. Shame on any of you who look down on the ones of us that do want to be apart of a group of any kind. I think the brotherhood that groups or clubs have is amazing, I was in the military and I miss the instant brotherhood that I shared with every single service member. Shame on those who think that it is childish for wanting a connection like that. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


04-24-2010, 07:24 PM	#89
rogera Peg Dragger Joined: Aug 2008 From: spokane, wa I Ride: 07 Harley Softail	Doc and Lepy are right on the money here. Anyone that wants to start a group of riders has to deal with reality.. Respect is huge amongst MC clubs and most all are nice guys if they are shown respect.. most will also treat you with respect. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


04-25-2010, 06:31 AM	#91
smoothytaggert Knee Dragger Joined: May 2006 From: lively Hagadone area I Ride: 2/3rd gen Viffas 99KX250 04KTM400EXC 94VFR400R	^^ love the history of the Angels... Beatles Silver Hammer anyone? Careful what Badge you do put on your Jacket... You may not know what it stands for.. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


04-25-2010, 07:48 AM	#93
dwschultzy Race Qualifier Joined: Nov 2007 From: . Blog Entries: 2	all of the things you guys list for wanting to be part of a "club" are the same reasons why kids join gangs.....just sayin __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


04-25-2010, 08:57 AM	#94
Borgnine Endorsed Joined: Oct 2008 From: Vancouver BC I Ride: '05 Suzuki GSF650S Bandit	This thread is rubbish. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


04-25-2010, 10:12 AM	#95
smoothytaggert Knee Dragger Joined: May 2006 From: lively Hagadone area I Ride: 2/3rd gen Viffas 99KX250 04KTM400EXC 94VFR400R	I have a question though concerning a 'group' listen carefully now... do you sign into pnwriders daily? maybe it's just me but I consider ^this^ as being part of a group... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


04-25-2010, 12:28 PM	#100
Degenerate Peg Dragger Joined: Aug 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Busa.	My humble apologies this thread has gone in a downward direction and I take responsibility for this. We all ride for our own personal reasons that is why we are a diverse group. It would be my honor to one day hear about ghost riders member helping a Fellow rider on the side of the road broke down, crashed, or in need and change their mind about the Traditional MC. My final thoughts on this thread are Stay safe, stay up and keep up with only your self. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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