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09-07-2008, 01:35 AM
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| MotoGP Contender Joined: Apr 2006 From: Spokane Valley, WA I Ride: 2K6 HAYABUSA LE | dude, are you doing selective reading? do i care what your opinion of me is, no, do I look to you for advice guidance, or advice? NO. I consider you a friend, debate or no debate. If you are taking this as personal then maybe you need a nap. I havent downed you personally like you have me, I havent disrespected you like you have me, all I have done is ask a few valid questions, that I am sure not only me, but other people at the show or not are wondering as well. Please be safe on your ride tomorrow, I have been noticing leaves down already this weekend as well as some dew on the roads (i know you guys like to take off early) be safe out there!!! |
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09-07-2008, 01:40 AM
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| MotoGP Contender Joined: Apr 2006 From: Spokane Valley, WA I Ride: 2K6 HAYABUSA LE | just because I dont care what you or anyone thinks and am able to speak up and ask questions doesnt mean I am the only one thinking it. atleast 3 people called me today NON FTR people for the record asking some of these questions.... and still you have 10 posts in this thread and still no answers....hmmmm avoiding the debate or issue? got no legit answers? stop bringing other groups, or people into this and look at the questions I asked, they are questions that your group should have answers for if/when asked. You cant even imagine how many questions everyone in FTR get when we go places. Explaining the difference between MC/RG/SG to people in general, people asking what it takes to make any of the above....so i feel my questions are very valid, and anyone in america could or may ask you these if they see you out?? so why are you avoiding them? do you not have the answers? do you need to consult the rest of the group before you answer them? thats all i am asking is a few simple questions...... |
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09-07-2008, 01:41 AM
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| Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Wiki Style!! | Umm...all I have done is try to get you out of your little pity party....and yeah i do take it personal when you are negative and throw out stupid accusations you have no idea about......all you are doing is making yourself and that ftr logo on your avatar you are representing look bad...... |
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09-07-2008, 01:43 AM
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| Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Wiki Style!! | 
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09-07-2008, 01:44 AM
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| MotoGP Contender Joined: Apr 2006 From: Spokane Valley, WA I Ride: 2K6 HAYABUSA LE |
I dont have a problem, if I had a problem I would of said I have a problem with you or your group, I asked for an answer to a few questions, answers that have not yet been put out from you or any other "wiki riders" NO PROBLEM JUST SOME SIMPLE QUESTIONS, please stop trying to make a problem, or suggesting that I have a problem with you or your riding group!!! | |
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09-07-2008, 01:50 AM
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| MotoGP Contender Joined: Apr 2006 From: Spokane Valley, WA I Ride: 2K6 HAYABUSA LE | ok since you seem to be lacking the energy to go back and look at the questions, here there are again for you WIKI riders is something you guys either made up this week, or made up 6 years ago and kept it a seceret for some reason? What would that be? why not tell anyone you were a group before today? why not post up rides as wiki rides instead of pnw rides? Why didnt you advertise your group EVER on any forum, text message that was sent out about your rides you go on? Please dont talk about looking bad or my FTR logo, FTR has nothing to do with this, this is a guy asking questions about your riding group, you are the one turning it into something else. Just because I am part of a MC doesnt mean I cant ask a question about a riding group does it? And just because I am part of a MC doesnt mean that its the club asking these questions does it? I am 1 guy... what are you gonna do when someone else asks you these questions, refer them to the christ riders? tell them we are differnt but dont ask me why cause I will just dance around the subject and try to make you look dumb? thats not working I have stayed focused threw all this, stood on my points, and arguements, and not back down or changed the subject or brought any othere person or group into this, this is me Dennis asking you some easy questions about your group... seem simple enuff but you keep trying to turn it into something else |
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09-07-2008, 01:50 AM
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| Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Wiki Style!! | To answer your question we are a riding group...if you are part of it then you know you are part of it....there are many of us...some on pnw some not...we have been riding together many times and spend every weekend together....its not a last minute thing we just put together to get you guys...lol...thats foolish.....once again..just because you dont know about it doesnt mean it isnt around.....you're right it is simple you just arent hearing it |
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09-07-2008, 01:53 AM
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| Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Wiki Style!! | Dennis one of the reasons we dont post is for some of the reasons you even gave why you dont ride with us...also we dont like the drama....we privately get ahold of each other to get together for our rides and things we do...is it really that big of a deal? Just cuz you dont understand it....and yes...your post are under your name with your logo...so you take it how you want...im just trying to look out for you before you dig a bigger hole...but whatever dood...ok....im off for my nap... |
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09-07-2008, 01:54 AM
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| MotoGP Contender Joined: Apr 2006 From: Spokane Valley, WA I Ride: 2K6 HAYABUSA LE | here I will make it easier still for you, heres your answers, but why hasnt any of this ever been done? DO'S AND DON'TS FOR RIDING CLUBS & SOCIAL MC's NEVER GET INTO A DISCUSSION WITH A TRADITIONAL PATCHHOLDER ABOUT ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: a) levels of committment in your group, b) whether your patches are purchased or earned, or c) whether you are a traditional MC or a social MC. TRADITIONAL MC's BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE DIFFERENT FROM YOU IN THESE WAYS AND THEY ARE VERY TOUCHY ABOUT IT. IT IS BETTER TO KEEP YOUR CLUBS RULES AND AND INFORMATION PRIVATE. If you are formally introduced to a MC patchholder, make sure they know what group you belong to, and what position you hold. Greet them, as you would meet anyone else and wait until the offer is made to shake hands (Remember DO NOT EVER TOUCH a MC Members Patch). DO NOT interrupt, wait for them to recognize you. DO NOT, be offended or make a big deal out of it if they do not offer to shake your hand. Many times they want to get to know more about you and your club a little before they will offer to shake your hand. Be prepared to answer questions about what your group is all about. But NEVER lie. E ither answer the question or refer the questioner to someone who can. It is OK to say you do not know or that you are uncomfortable giving out certain information. Women as patchholders, while not totally unheard of, are rare. That’s just the way it is. Most MC’s would rather deal with a man if there is business to conduct. Whether or not they will deal directly with a woman depends on the individual MC/Chapter. There is no set rule for this and they will let you know if it’s OK with them or not. SO BE CAREFUL WHEN FEMALE MEMBERS DEAL WITH TRADITIONAL MC PATCHHOLDERS. If anyone knows a motorcycle club patchholder, don’t throw the patchholder’s name/nickname/club’s name around like you’re a great buddy of theirs (even if you are). Many clubs consider that as a major disrespect to the whole club. Watch where you are when speaking about motorcycle clubs, and never say anything about them in public. Never use the term “Outlaw Club” or any of the other names they are known by when speaking to strangers. Watch where you wear your patch and it’s just common sense to try to stay in numbers when wearing your patch. Some MC’s can be very territorial and some motorcycle clubs don’t see any difference between a TRADITIONAL MC, RIDING CLUB, or MOTORCYCLE CLUB, good or bad. If you are ever confronted about your patch or asked to remove your vest, be respectful and don’t argue. The best reply is to first ask for contact information for someone that your leaders should speak to in order to clear up any misunderstandings. Also offer contact information for your own President. If you know you are on their "turf" you may want to comply. Be aware of the local MC hangouts and it’s best to ask permission before wearing your patch into them without an invitation. The term “Brother” of “Bro” has special meaning to a MC Patchholder, do not call a MC Patchholder Brother or Bro. Their Brothers are fellow MC Patchholders and those that have earned that term. MC’s tend to police their own, and don’t take kindly to interference from the so-called establishment enforcers. Simply put You Fu#@ with one, You Fu#@ with all. But as long you live and ride the streets as they do you have little to fear from MC’s unless you show disrespect. “SHOW THEM RESPECT AND EXPECT RESPECT IN RETURN.” That’s A#1 with them! |
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09-07-2008, 01:59 AM
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| MotoGP Contender Joined: Apr 2006 From: Spokane Valley, WA I Ride: 2K6 HAYABUSA LE | If you are formally introduced to a MC patchholder, make sure they know what group you belong to, and what position you hold. Greet them, as you would meet anyone else and wait until the offer is made to shake hands (Remember DO NOT EVER TOUCH a MC Members Patch). DO NOT interrupt, wait for them to recognize you. DO NOT, be offended or make a big deal out of it if they do not offer to shake your hand. Many times they want to get to know more about you and your club a little before they will offer to shake your hand. Be prepared to answer questions about what your group is all about. But NEVER lie. E ither answer the question or refer the questioner to someone who can. It is OK to say you do not know or that you are uncomfortable giving out certain information. Women as patchholders, while not totally unheard of, are rare. That’s just the way it is. Most MC’s would rather deal with a man if there is business to conduct. Whether or not they will deal directly with a woman depends on the individual MC/Chapter. There is no set rule for this and they will let you know if it’s OK with them or not. SO BE CAREFUL WHEN FEMALE MEMBERS DEAL WITH TRADITIONAL MC PATCHHOLDERS do you get it, I have seen you guys a million times this summer, has anyone ever introduced themselves as a wiki rider? see, there are politics at all levels, MC RG SG what ever the case maybe. I was trying to make a point, you for whatever reason missed it. You guys just showed up today announcing yourselved as a riding group....when yet you claim to have been around all summer.... this goes way beyond a trophy.... hopefully you can read these informative posts I made for you (copied actually off FTR.com) for your information. You should have done some research before popping up as a Riding Group today, that was my only point, if you need more info on this subject, I would be glad to help you all get your riding group informed on motorcycle club/riding group politics. |
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09-07-2008, 02:00 AM
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| Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Wiki Style!! | Thats the exact reason I tried to tell you to watch what you represent and post up man! Good one...a patch is a huge thing, I myself have one...I just am not in a place to wear it in my life...but thank you for posting that...my post said exactly that...in different words...the truth is I know the difference man....been around this a long time buddy...so as an RG I think its ok to do what we do...its all good with me and in no way will I ever cut you or your group down...like you did us.... |
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09-07-2008, 02:04 AM
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| MotoGP Contender Joined: Apr 2006 From: Spokane Valley, WA I Ride: 2K6 HAYABUSA LE |
again, I didnt down your group, I called your group out (maybe a little harshly, i apologize) but my point is... riding group or not, in a mc/rg political world what you did and how you did it was politically incorrect, you represented yourselves as a riding group for the first time today, yet you claim to have been together all summer, and see each other every weekend, so no-one ever (atleast with me) introduced themselves as a wiki rider... thats my point, and I have seen most of you more than once this summer, most of you at my own house..... | |
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09-07-2008, 02:05 AM
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| MotoGP Contender Joined: Apr 2006 From: Spokane Valley, WA I Ride: 2K6 HAYABUSA LE | going to bed, thanks for the debate, I wont be posting on this thread anymore, if you would like to discuss further feel free to call or text or whatever, but i wont be back to this thread, good night |
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09-07-2008, 02:10 AM
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| Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Wiki Style!! | Dennis im sorry if you dont like it how we announced ourselves...would you have it that we ask permission from everyone to become an RG? Its just a simple thing how it formed, no mystery and no huge recruiting either....in fact we like it smaller....Its not the same so should we have to do the same stuff? We dont roll around wearing patches...not even t shirts, or even a sticker...gosh ...just a unified group of people who ride and are a close nit group...I cant imagine anyone being offended at that...so if anyone has a problem with that speak up.... Maybe im wrong on that one...who knows |
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09-07-2008, 02:13 AM
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| Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Wiki Style!! | Ok cool...debate fine...just next time please dont be so negative, there are way better ways to approach it than that in my opinion...and as far as Im concerned we arent going anywhere....lol. In fact I hope we grow closer and more tight knit...who knows someday things will change just like anything... |
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09-07-2008, 02:42 AM
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| Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Wiki Style!! | So aparently there is an issue with us announcing Wiki Ridas as we did...our apoligies and for the little uproar with the thread......and for those of us who never win trophys it was fun for us and we were excited about it.....we werent trying to step on any toes or anything......just a bunch of us together doing our thing which is really awesome IMO....well we are here......nothing to get to excited about...not even worth all of this hooplah...nor trying to offend anyone.....the whole political thing is sorta mute...until we won a stupid trophy as Wiki Ridas...we dont go around announcing ourselves just for the simple fact we are pretty selective who we ride with and we arent a club...so why announce or introduce ourslves that way.....its small time Dennis.....but we will continue to go by Wiki Ridas....if thats ok with you folks...... |
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09-07-2008, 06:56 AM
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| Endorsed Joined: Jul 2008 From: Spokane, WA I Ride: 2007 Yamaha R6 | Wow whats up with everybody gettin all mad over a show and some trophy.If u build a kickass bike and win thats all that matters,it sounds like it was a good time. |
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09-07-2008, 07:29 AM
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| MotoGP Champion Joined: Aug 2005 From: Spokane WA I Ride: Beerbohm's shapely breasts. | WTF. A fucking drama thread and I'm not part of it. Honestly, who cares? Like Dennis said (after APPEARING all bent over it) it was just a little show in Asshole, Idaho. Although it APPEARS that Dennis is burnt over it. That may not be the case, but in posts at least, the PERCEPTION is hurt feelings. Hopefully, you guys can tongue kiss, and spoon your way through this, and still be buddies. I want a RG now. Anyone want to join a group of like minded, slow riding, Starbucks loving, fat, old guys? |
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09-07-2008, 08:55 AM
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| Fast, Easy, and Old Fashioned  Joined: Sep 2006 From: Spokane I Ride: Guess..... |
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09-07-2008, 09:16 AM
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| MotoGP Champion Joined: Aug 2005 From: Spokane WA I Ride: Beerbohm's shapely breasts. |
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09-07-2008, 09:30 AM
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| Fast, Easy, and Old Fashioned Joined: Sep 2006 From: Spokane I Ride: Guess..... |
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09-07-2008, 11:17 AM
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| Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Wiki Style!! | Well Spokane certianly does have many sorts of riders... fat starbuck riders or whatever included........the fact is its pretty simple...we can do what we want...call it what you will! RG whatever, Dennis would have a problem with whoever won it......take it up with the Judges. When I post up on pnw for a group ride...that's got nothing to do with us...pnw is just a forum...not a club either...some people mistake that even its crazy......just because some of Wiki Ridas were there....doesnt mean we try to be something we arent. And we dont go around calling ourselves that....hi Im Brian...a Wiki RIda...nor will I ever introduce myself as that....good gosh dude! We can be low key and the all knowing Dennis doesnt have to know about it before we can be a group...sorry for that news buddy....(trying not to use bro here)...lol. I save that for my Wiki RIdas..... Just a bit more about our RIDE GROUP.....Wiki Ridas is a group of hard core sportbike enthusiasts the love the hobby, we arent about huge egos or have anything to prove to try and make ourselves look better than we are or who is the best! We support each other and treat each other like family....also we treat our women with repect too.....something that is rare now days, what a thought.... We show respect to other riders no matter who they are on the streets.....men or women....If you are the opposite of any of these things you will never be a Wiki Rida......humble is huge with us......bragging isnt a good quality with us...sure theres a little trash talkin once in awhile but all in fun....we always try to support the riding community....Wiki means fast or quick...make fun of it if you want...its funny the second you put yourself out there peoples true character come out...its funny to watch....ive seen it many times....Dennis you really dont know it all man...I dont claim to either but maybe you should talk less and take others advice once in awhile! How about first of all showing respect to a group of people that has supported your group in many many ways...come on man....think about it...is it that hard to say congrats guys? While I certianly dont need your approval it would be a good thing to do. But whatever man you dont need my advice do you... Im honored to ride with who I do...and they ride very well...Wiki Style. |
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09-07-2008, 11:18 AM
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| WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Aug 2006 From: local from guam was in lacey,now in spokane wa I Ride: hayabusa | bike show here some picture of the show                   good times and well spend with my adopted family and my family and my grandkids,thanks to my close and trusting friends(adopted family)for helping me out the group(WIKI RIDERS NOT A CLUB,JUST A OF CLOSE RIDING GROUP THAT RIDES WITH ANYBODY AND ENJOYS RIDING WITH OTHERS ON THE FORUM OR NOT)   Last edited by kat2001; 09-07-2008 at 11:32 AM.. |
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09-07-2008, 11:53 AM
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| WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Aug 2006 From: local from guam was in lacey,now in spokane wa I Ride: hayabusa |
no dues or shirts,just be yourself and ride your ride,i didn't get to meet u at the gas station on labor day but from what i heard your a good guy,hopefully we will ride before the weather changes,like i said were just a tight close family and i love meet other riders | |
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09-07-2008, 12:06 PM
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| Retired Joined: Mar 2006 From: spokane, wa I Ride: 2006 R6 |
What ever they told you is likely all lies. | |
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09-07-2008, 01:11 PM
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| WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Aug 2006 From: local from guam was in lacey,now in spokane wa I Ride: hayabusa | this why i don't enter any off my bikes that own on any show i don't care about trophes or bra-ing rights and the drama that follows,i build my bike to my liking and to keep it within our little group of friends which is call wiki riders,just to let u know this is my dream bike this what i work hard for beside my family,matter of fact i just enter to get the tickets to the park to enjoy the day with my close friends and my family.i didn't enter to win anything,yeah i'm glad that i won something but i do it because i enjoying doing what i do on my bike.my family will tell u this my first bike show that i have enter,most time i just go to check out the bikes. hell my trophes are in my garage as i type,but this a post to share to others what had happen. anyways thanks again to my friend that help me on my busa and for cool coments |
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09-07-2008, 01:13 PM
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| MotoGP Champion Joined: Aug 2005 From: Spokane WA I Ride: Beerbohm's shapely breasts. |
Seriously though, looks like you had a good time with friends. If that's wrong then damn you all to hellz! | |
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