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Old 09-07-2008, 01:14 PM   #81
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Very nice, I think I got best pic with a hot chic.... LET'S VOTE! come on peeps


VOTE NOW!

ok u got my vote
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Old 09-07-2008, 01:15 PM   #82
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If you have a picture of her smiling, she's got my vote too. I HATE it when chicks don't smile. Vag makin em all serious and shit.
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Old 09-07-2008, 02:03 PM   #83
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Damn how did this every get so out of hand.. I talk to the judges before anything was even anounced about who was gonna win. They said it was off the biggest group showing not MC, And Wiki had the most and even if they had not, Chick riders would have beat us. We have 19 FTR members in Spokane Chapter and we could only get 4 to show up so as members that went yes we were very pissed on our performance and turnout. @ the beginning of the Year it was a mandatory event and somehow it turned out to not be anymore. Im glad you guys did so well @ the show, it was kinda quite until you guys showed up because there was hardly anybikes when we got there. Dennis speaks for himself not our club~
Oh and Brian I still call bs on that K7 that was claiming 183 with slip on
I should have one best of show because I have a colored chain!! LOL
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Old 09-07-2008, 02:12 PM   #84
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It wouldnt have felt right to win best club showing, being only 4 of us showed up and stuck around. All in all it was a good day and turnout. Maybe this will wake some other people up and want to make sure you guys dont get it this easy next year without some competition.

Now bring those show bikes out to track day on the 22nd and lets have some fun as a fam!
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Old 09-07-2008, 02:39 PM   #85
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OK, I stand corrected, I didnt call your group shit, I called bullshit on your organizing a pnw group ride to the park and having people I know you dont ride with all the time fill out a registration card and put wiki riders on it.

I am very familier with your riding group, I have even been invited on some of the rides, I choose not to go because I know I can't ride at that level with you guys! I respect everyone of you as riders, Matt, Wayne, Mike, Brian, Jay you are all very good riders, like i said some of the best on the road in spokane,

Like I was saying tho, I know your riding group, I know who you ride with and I know not everyone that claimed to be part of your group today would be invited on some of your rides you go on.

Its about principal, getting people to write it down on a registration card because you saw group with the biggest showing on a flyer is just .....unethical I guess would be the word to describe it, if you wanted trophies cause you think there neat, please come by and take some of nine I am running out of places to put them....LOL

if I am wrong, I am wrong, I will be man nuff to admit it if I am proven wrong, thats the beauty of being a human mistakes can be made and we all live and learn from them...and like I said you gotta give respect to get respect, and if you dont wanna give it you wont get it
1. I think it's funny how you claim to know all the wiki ridas and who rides in the group but you only name a few.

2. No one put it on their registration cards, they asked us which ones were in our group because they saw us all arrive together.

3. You talk about respect? Yet you start off this thread in the manner you did. Are you sure you wanna go there?




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you are wrong if you think I care about the trophy dude, I keep telling you, I have enuff, and I am glad, that there is another riding group in town, more damn people to do things with....how many time i got to say it...

Well I will say this once...This isn't the way to get people or fellow riders to do anything with you.

There are key elements of being a "riding group" just like there is to be a motorcycle club, or a social club. And I dont think the "judges" know the difference even if you explained it to them. Those judges are friends of the guy who puts on the show, or people he asked to be judges the day before the show, that I am sure dont know the difference.

The point I am making is, if you are a "riding group" why did no one hear about this till today (forget the trophy thing, this is a general question).

Because it's none of yours or anybody elses buisness. Who appointed you the OFFICIAL SPOKANE MC,RG and SG MOnitor? Who says that because you never heard of it before means it doesn't exist, or other people for that matter.

I know who is in your riding group before you called yourself a group, I know you are selective of who you ride with, and I know why. So you dont have to tell me those things.

And I dont care to know what everyone else is doing, I dont care to be in anyone else business, I have more important things to worry about than what your little circle of people is/are doing.


For some one who doesn't care to be in anyone else business, sure do got your nose all the way up there. Funny how you seem to contradict yourself. If this was truly the case, then a simple congrats would have been your post rather then all the things you did post.

I am not upset, I dont care who won what trophy, and I am not "burnt" as you put it above. I like a good debate, and I still havent seen any answers to my questions. you just keep trying to insult me, or put me down cuz I wasnt there..... one of the wiki riders should go back look at the post and answer the questions........ then if there is any merit to the answers and I am wrong, i will say I was wrong.... but I have seen 15 posts and not 1 of them is an answer to anything remotly close to the questions I asked
Here is an answer that should answer all your questions...We are a group of friends who that ride together that doesn't NEED to explain themselves to you, but will because we are good people. A club is a group of people who have memberships, dues, rules of conduct, a charter, rank structures, people telling you who can ride with or associate with and all that other Bullshit that we don't to be a part of.
Wiki Riders is a group of people who happen to be friends that come together to ride and hang out with each other and help each other out no questions asked anytime of the day or night, because we have become family. There is no polotics, or anyone saying that you have to go on so many rides with the group, or membership dues, or chain of command.
We are a bunch of single riders that CHOOSE to ride together because we can and we want to. If we choose to call ourselves a group then thats our business, NOT YOURS. Who we choose to inform or let into our circle of friends and family is our business, NOT YOURS.


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and i got those trophies in shows in portland seattle, moses lake, tricities, drag races,

you got 1 from a theme park in athol idaho...I am sure all those super custom bikes there were tough to beat.... oh wait, there arent any custom bikes other than tonys, the porno bike and.... oh wait thats it....
So since when does it matter where the car&bike show are held for it to count? So then I guess all the trophies that FTR won their last year don't mean shit either since they came from a THEME PARK in ATHOL IDAHO. You might want to contact your "brothers and sisters" in the other chapters that won last year and tell them their trophies don't count.


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If you are formally introduced to a MC patchholder, make sure they know what group you belong to, and what position you hold.
Greet them, as you would meet anyone else and wait until the offer is made to shake hands (Remember DO NOT EVER TOUCH a MC Members Patch). DO NOT interrupt, wait for them to recognize you. DO NOT, be offended or make a big deal out of it if they do not offer to shake your hand. Many times they want to get to know more about you and your club a little before they will offer to shake your hand.
Be prepared to answer questions about what your group is all about. But NEVER lie. E ither answer the question or refer the questioner to someone who can. It is OK to say you do not know or that you are uncomfortable giving out certain information.
Women as patchholders, while not totally unheard of, are rare. That’s just the way it is. Most MC’s would rather deal with a man if there is business to conduct. Whether or not they will deal directly with a woman depends on the individual MC/Chapter. There is no set rule for this and they will let you know if it’s OK with them or not. SO BE CAREFUL WHEN FEMALE MEMBERS DEAL WITH TRADITIONAL MC PATCHHOLDERS


do you get it, I have seen you guys a million times this summer, has anyone ever introduced themselves as a wiki rider?

Yeah we don't count because FTR says that we didn't introduce ourselves that way.

see, there are politics at all levels, MC RG SG what ever the case maybe. I was trying to make a point, you for whatever reason missed it. You guys just showed up today announcing yourselved as a riding group....when yet you claim to have been around all summer....

See here is our point and for whatever reason you seem to miss it...We don't have politics in our GROUP which is another reason we enjoy riding together. Here is the MOST IMPORTANT POINT...If we chhose to call ourselves a group, then we will no matter what the rules, charter guidelines or whatever it is you want to call them say that come from FTR.com

You choose to be part of FTR Motorcycle Club, to which I consider alot of its members friends. That was your choice, not ours. So you must abide by their rules and regulations, NOT US. Since we are on the subject of rules and regulations, You didn't follow them yourself. You never introduced yourself as a member of a club and gave your rank after you joined, when we ran into each other again.
I am personally and forever will be a member of one of the worlds biggest, baddest and oldest organizations and I don't always introduce myself to people as such and nobody can tell me I have to, nor does it not count because you or other people don't know about it.



I would be glad to help you all get your riding group informed on motorcycle club/riding group politics.
If you or any member of any club are offended or butt hurt cause we didn't tell you or you didn't know about us then thats just to bad. People should like and respect us for who we are as riders and people, not because we are part of a CLUB. If you or the other people that that question Wiki Riders doesn't get that then you never will.

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So aparently there is an issue with us announcing Wiki Ridas as we did...our apoligies and for the little uproar with the thread......and for those of us who never win trophys it was fun for us and we were excited about it.....we werent trying to step on any toes or anything......just a bunch of us together doing our thing which is really awesome IMO....well we are here......nothing to get to excited about...not even worth all of this hooplah...nor trying to offend anyone.....the whole political thing is sorta mute...until we won a stupid trophy as Wiki Ridas...we dont go around announcing ourselves just for the simple fact we are pretty selective who we ride with and we arent a club...so why announce or introduce ourslves that way.....its small time Dennis.....but we will continue to go by Wiki Ridas....if thats ok with you folks......
Rocketman brother I'm going to have to disagree with you here alittle bit. I won't apologize to anyone for the way they learned about Wiki Riders. If they are offended then they will have to get over it.
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Old 09-07-2008, 02:46 PM   #86
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Damn how did this every get so out of hand.. I talk to the judges before anything was even anounced about who was gonna win. They said it was off the biggest group showing not MC, And Wiki had the most and even if they had not, Chick riders would have beat us. We have 19 FTR members in Spokane Chapter and we could only get 4 to show up so as members that went yes we were very pissed on our performance and turnout. @ the beginning of the Year it was a mandatory event and somehow it turned out to not be anymore. Im glad you guys did so well @ the show, it was kinda quite until you guys showed up because there was hardly anybikes when we got there. Dennis speaks for himself not our club~
Oh and Brian I still call bs on that K7 that was claiming 183 with slip on
I should have one best of show because I have a colored chain!! LOL
Thanks ICEMANFTR ...nice to show some class. I think I would have to agree with you on the best of show. That chain of yours was really sick man...
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Old 09-07-2008, 03:03 PM   #87
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This thread is a prime example why i do my own thing.
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Old 09-07-2008, 03:15 PM   #88
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I am personally and forever will be a member of one of the worlds biggest, baddest and oldest organizations and I don't always introduce myself to people as such and nobody can tell me I have to, nor does it not count because you or other people don't know about it.

Dude... Are you a Stonemason?!

I keed, I keed.

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This thread is a prime example why i do my own thing.
So, go do it.
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Old 09-07-2008, 05:27 PM   #89
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Thanks ICEMANFTR ...nice to show some class. I think I would have to agree with you on the best of show. That chain of yours was really sick man...
No problem Bro, get that zx of yours tuned up so you can win the next dyno shoot out and take another trophy home to the Wiki wall lol
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Old 09-07-2008, 05:43 PM   #90
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no pics of the rb26dett silvia?

and who drives the 954? i love those bikes!
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Old 09-07-2008, 05:48 PM   #91
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FIRST OF ALL THIS BIKE SHOW IS MY SHOW..If I offended anyone...sorry. It is my fault that the wrong words were used to describe the categories listed on the registration. I am sorry for that and next year I will correct it.
I started this show 4 years ago with the permission of the gentlemen who runs the excelerator show. I wanted a place where all of the people I ride with to be able to get together for an event that was supposed to be FUN! it started with all local people.... 7 of us were there, out of the 30 or so that were invited. we all know each other and have been riding in this town for years. its a supposed to be a friendly competition, and a great day at the park. It is not a sanctioned event, so it doesnt have the same rules and regulations a national event does. thats the way it was supposed to be.

I really appreciate all the support we have gotten over the last couple of years to make this show grow! I hope that it will continue. I'm glad all of you were able to make it, and I want you to come back next year!

What I dont want is shit like this happening. I know that not all of you will NOT be happy with the results from year to year but I am still learning the polotics of these things so get over it... there will be a next time. this is only the second year that the clubs/groups of riders attended so there will be mistakes... give me a break!!

Anyone who knows me will tell you that I am a fair and Respectful person, if you have a complaint I will hear you out and make adjustments as I see fit. this show is put into the line up on a year to year basis depending on the turn out, and each year we try somthing new to see how it works out, if it doesnt we will change it.

It wasnt meant to start shit between you guys. ANYONE WHO RIDES A MOTORCYCLE IS WELCOME AT MY SHOW. weather or not your by yourself of with a group or club.
All I ask is that you RESPECT us as judges, the rules set down from the park and your fellow riders. I will show you rescpect in return. just come out and ejoy it for what it is!

Again I want to thank all of you who came, thank you to gary and the FTR that were able to make, thank to the chic riders who showed, thank you and congrats to the Wiki ridas, and I hope to see more High ridaz out next year.
the more people that we can get to attend the more trophies we can give out!

I enjoyed seeing all of you and getting to know the rest of you, and would like to continue putting on the event so lets all just get along and go out and ride.....
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Old 09-07-2008, 06:53 PM   #92
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Hey Tony...I think my bike should have won best in show...but thats just me...lol, joking of course...who is this chick on my bike?

Seriously...the Busa rocked!! Nice job...along with everyone else....

Dennis...the truth is we didnt have a devious plan to take the group trophy....it just worked out that way....all that really matters is the judges are ok with us being an RG...doesnt really matter what you think about it...get over it bud...no scheme at all....you should know better....I would certianly congratulate FTR if they took it....and again there are way, way more riders in our group than you know of. I dont feel the need to give you a roster of names.....you have your nose into too much bro and you dont always know everything about what others do.

you still thinkin' you win Wayne?
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Old 09-07-2008, 07:09 PM   #93
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Im sorry to anyone that felt like they were unfairly classified as a club/group. Next year I will make a change to the awards so it will read "Best Club/Group" and so on. I have been made aware that clubs are sanctioned while groups are not.

When I was approached by Wade years ago about adding Sport Bikes to the mix I thought it was a great idea. I know there are many riders in the area and not many events that cater to them. I think this is a great community that is often times given a bad rap as with the import car community. Each year I am happy to see more bikes and no issues. The park used to worry when you all came in and now they respect each of you that come and show your bikes as much as I do.

I know some of you may come just for the awards but really I hope this can be more about everyone meeting up and having a good time in a fun venue.
Hell Im finally picking up a bike myself in a few days and plan to enjoy just hanging out. So I am sorry if there was any confusion, I will personally work with Wade to smooth things more in the future and also add more awards=)



If anyone has questions or comments always feel free to contact me at: marble@exceleratorcarshow.com

Thank you all for your support!
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Old 09-07-2008, 07:21 PM   #94
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The Drama King gives this thread his stamp of approval
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Old 09-07-2008, 08:20 PM   #95
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Im sorry to anyone that felt like they were unfairly classified as a club/group. Next year I will make a change to the awards so it will read "Best Club/Group" and so on. I have been made aware that clubs are sanctioned while groups are not.

When I was approached by Wade years ago about adding Sport Bikes to the mix I thought it was a great idea. I know there are many riders in the area and not many events that cater to them. I think this is a great community that is often times given a bad rap as with the import car community. Each year I am happy to see more bikes and no issues. The park used to worry when you all came in and now they respect each of you that come and show your bikes as much as I do.

I know some of you may come just for the awards but really I hope this can be more about everyone meeting up and having a good time in a fun venue.
Hell Im finally picking up a bike myself in a few days and plan to enjoy just hanging out. So I am sorry if there was any confusion, I will personally work with Wade to smooth things more in the future and also add more awards=)



If anyone has questions or comments always feel free to contact me at: marble@exceleratorcarshow.com

Thank you all for your support!
great show again! see if you cant get the park earlier next year like in years past! its nice to be able to enjoy the waterpark as well!
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Old 09-07-2008, 08:30 PM   #96
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great show again! see if you cant get the park earlier next year like in years past! its nice to be able to enjoy the waterpark as well!
For sure, it would have felt great to take a cruise around the lazy river.
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Old 09-07-2008, 08:39 PM   #97
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How can you go to Silverwood, and not make 3 or 4 laps/rounds in the River?
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:51 PM   #98
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I would say if you get a bunch of people who are Hawaiian together in Spokane , that could be club
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:01 PM   #99
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I am perfectly calm.

I dont care what you lack in knowledge about MC Clubs/groups or social groups.

The entire point of this thread, was even a "riding group" has to have structure, officers, leaders, whatever you want to call them. Anyone could have asked these questions, the fact that I am a part of a MC has nothing to do with it. The point was there are ethics, politics, and protocols that are generally followed when making a club, riding group or whatever else you want to make.

Iceman is right, I speak for myself not for the club, but thanks bro for having my back, I see you are in the same thinking of its everyman for himself like the some of the others.

I dont care about a trophy, I care about the principle of Motorcycle traditions, and the premises of which they were built on.

I have talked to atleast 2 of the "wiki riders" and all have agreed that this got way out of hand because of outside opinions, and comments made by people who do not have a clue appearently about motorcycle traditions or club/group ethics.

James, this is hardly any concern of yours, you are supposed to be a member of
"NO MERCY". So I will not acknowledge, nor did I read past your first sentence. If you are apart of the wiki riders, then why did you leave your other group/club, I am honestly not sure what No Mercy was, I know them, rode with most of them, and conisder then friends as well.

marble/cbrme, please do not get it wrong you put on a great show, every year it gets better, this had nothing to do with the show except it happen to be the place the "wiki riders made their debute/introduction to the scene. THATS IT, I wish I could of attended, but work called and I had to go. I hope to make it next year. I support the idea to do it sooner in the summer so we can go to the water park too!

If you all dont like the MC traditions, ethics, or politics, then I dont really care, thats all.

everyone got way to serious over something that started between Rocketman and myself. All of your other taunting and instigating comments mean/ment nothing and nothing positive came from this you are all still lacking the same knowledge you were when this started (I am not referring to the wiki riders, I am referring to the people who dont know what a club or group really is_)

I wish everyone the best of luck with their groups, clubs, or whatever else they want to create, like I said its more people to do things with!!!
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:07 PM   #100
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Now bring those show bikes out to track day on the 22nd and lets have some fun as a fam!
What he said!!! Wash, polish, ride, repeat. That's how I do it, except I leave out the wash and polish part. Get them out to the trackday on the 22nd.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:09 PM   #101
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I am perfectly calm.

I dont care what you lack in knowledge about MC Clubs/groups or social groups.

The entire point of this thread, was even a "riding group" has to have structure, officers, leaders, whatever you want to call them. Anyone could have asked these questions, the fact that I am a part of a MC has nothing to do with it. The point was there are ethics, politics, and protocols that are generally followed when making a club, riding group or whatever else you want to make.

Iceman is right, I speak for myself not for the club, but thanks bro for having my back, I see you are in the same thinking of its everyman for himself like the some of the others.

I dont care about a trophy, I care about the principle of Motorcycle traditions, and the premises of which they were built on.

I have talked to atleast 2 of the "wiki riders" and all have agreed that this got way out of hand because of outside opinions, and comments made by people who do not have a clue appearently about motorcycle traditions or club/group ethics.

James, this is hardly any concern of yours, you are supposed to be a member of
"NO MERCY". So I will not acknowledge, nor did I read past your first sentence. If you are apart of the wiki riders, then why did you leave your other group/club, I am honestly not sure what No Mercy was, I know them, rode with most of them, and conisder then friends as well.

marble/cbrme, please do not get it wrong you put on a great show, every year it gets better, this had nothing to do with the show except it happen to be the place the "wiki riders made their debute/introduction to the scene. THATS IT, I wish I could of attended, but work called and I had to go. I hope to make it next year. I support the idea to do it sooner in the summer so we can go to the water park too!

If you all dont like the MC traditions, ethics, or politics, then I dont really care, thats all.

everyone got way to serious over something that started between Rocketman and myself. All of your other taunting and instigating comments mean/ment nothing and nothing positive came from this you are all still lacking the same knowledge you were when this started (I am not referring to the wiki riders, I am referring to the people who dont know what a club or group really is_)

I wish everyone the best of luck with their groups, clubs, or whatever else they want to create, like I said its more people to do things with!!!

I understand what you are trying to say, but I will not have your back when you keep adding fuel and ranting on something you were not even involved in. Maybe if there was 12 of us out there and 13 of them it would be a legitamate argument, but they had about 4 times as many from what I saw. We had a poor turnout, people had better things to do or were working or some that were too hung over "BS". Like Wade was saying to me yesterday @ the park, it was not specified to be biggest sanctioned club, just best club showing, not everyone thinks of the True meaning when you call "Best Club Showing" maybe next year it will be a sanction.. Who cares its over with, I had fun either way. This is just motivation for us as FTR to make a little more noise out there next year if we want a chance to win like we did last summer..
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:18 PM   #102
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Hey CBRme thanks for driving all the way from seattle to put on this show.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:30 PM   #103
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I agree, I wasnt there, and even if I was there it wouldnt have changed the outcome of the numbers game because your correct it would have bee 5 vs how ever many.

this all got blown out of control because I asked a ridig group how log the been a group, what was their basic structure as far as officers/leaders/principles go ad how come if they been a group all summer noone heard of them till satruday? it got blown out of control because I am part of a MC... if I had been just another guy asking these questions, wich will happen sooner or later, or maybe aother mc club will ask will brian call them names too? I hope not...
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Old 09-07-2008, 11:48 PM   #104
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I am perfectly calm.

I dont care what you lack in knowledge about MC Clubs/groups or social groups.

The entire point of this thread, was even a "riding group" has to have structure, officers, leaders, whatever you want to call them.
Anyone could have asked these questions, the fact that I am a part of a MC has nothing to do with it. The point was there are ethics, politics, and protocols that are generally followed when making a club, riding group or whatever else you want to make.

Now I'm calling bullshit!!! The initial point of your posting wasn't about structure, officers, leaders or any of that. It was about how you thought that it was bullshit that Wiki Riders won the "Club Award" because they got a bunch of people together the night before. You didn't ask what Wiki Riders was about or who was in it. You just thought you knew, when the respectfull and classy thing to do would have been to simply say....Congrats and then ask what Wiki Riders was about.
I'll play along with your posting and say what if that was true. Why does a riding group have to have structure, officers, leaders or whatever you want to call them? Because YOU say so? I think your missing the point, even if what your saying is true. The point of a group or club is the assembly of individuals as a collective because of common ground or beliefs. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that is probably why you joined Full Tilt Riders Motorcycle Club. Now I'm going to go further out on the limb and venture to say that FTR's beliefs are different from other Motorcycle Clubs or Groups, which is probably why they founded it. So they could honor and impliment their own beliefs, ethics, traditions, rules and regulations. So I want to ask you this...Why do other groups or clubs have to follow your beliefs of what Motorcycle traditions, ethics or politics are or should be to be recognized or respected?


I dont care about a trophy, I care about the principle of Motorcycle traditions, and the premises of which they were built on.

I have talked to atleast 2 of the "wiki riders" and all have agreed that this got way out of hand because of outside opinions, and comments made by people who do not have a clue appearently about motorcycle traditions or club/group ethics.

James, this is hardly any concern of yours, you are supposed to be a member of
"NO MERCY". So I will not acknowledge, nor did I read past your first sentence. If you are apart of the wiki riders, then why did you leave your other group/club, I am honestly not sure what No Mercy was, I know them, rode with most of them, and conisder then friends as well.


Now your going to tell me whats my business or concern and who I am supposed to be affiliated with. It's a shame you didn't read past my first sentence, cause you would have learned something. Like what Wiki Riders is about and who is a part of it.
The biggest thing you might have learned though is this....I DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO YOU ABOUT WHO I AM OR WHO I HANG, RIDE, OR ASSOCIATE WITH, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ASK SO NICELY .
You talk about No Mercy, call them your friends, say you rode with most of them but have no clue what they were or about. Damn sounds like you were good friends who rode with them more then once. I would have thought you would have had plenty of time to ask what they were or about, but we all know from your first post on this thread that you don't always do that. There is an old adage "Ignorance is Bliss", and I will leave it at that.


If you all dont like the MC traditions, ethics, or politics, then I dont really care, thats all.

You talk about MC Traditions and Ethics, try following some yourself Dennis. Ones like Respect...which you said you knew about and knowing that what you say or do reflects on your brtothers and sisters when associated with a club. You can make a disclaimer that it is your opinion and yours alone, but people don't always percieve it that way and it is usually viewed as a club or organizations views as well, especially when your one of its officers.

everyone got way to serious over something that started between Rocketman and myself. All of your other taunting and instigating comments mean/ment nothing and nothing positive came from this you are all still lacking the same knowledge you were when this started (I am not referring to the wiki riders, I am referring to the people who dont know what a club or group really is_)

Webster's College Dictionary Definition:
GROUP - 1. any collection or assemblage of persons or things; cluster; aggregation.
2. a number of persons or things ranged or considered together as being related in some way.
Sorry man just trying to help you help everyone else figure out what a group was. I can get you the definition for riding also if that helps clear up anything, I want to make sure that your not misunderstood.


I wish everyone the best of luck with their groups, clubs, or whatever else they want to create, like I said its more people to do things with!!!

I will close by saying this to your entire last posting....that you had an intelligent and well articulated response there Dennis, especially from someone who was done with this thread and not going to return it ever again. Way to stick to your guns and keep your word.



I just want to say to the Rest of FTR Club, that I apologize to refering to you group in my earlier post. I meant no disrespect to you guys as a club.
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Old 09-07-2008, 11:53 PM   #105
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I agree, I wasnt there, and even if I was there it wouldnt have changed the outcome of the numbers game because your correct it would have bee 5 vs how ever many.

this all got blown out of control because I asked a ridig group how log the been a group, what was their basic structure as far as officers/leaders/principles go ad how come if they been a group all summer noone heard of them till satruday? it got blown out of control because I am part of a MC... if I had been just another guy asking these questions, wich will happen sooner or later, or maybe aother mc club will ask will brian call them names too? I hope not...
Dennis that isn't why it got all blown up. If thats all it was it wouldn't have been all this. Its how you said what you said in your original post. If someone came at you the way that you did, then you would have had a problem as well.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:07 AM   #106
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CBRme and MaRbLe, I would say don't worry about it if people got upset. I thought you guys have done a great job the last few years and I personnally have had fun at the shows. It's a nice show that allows us all to show what toys we got and not have to travel a long distance. Run the show how you want and make whatever catagories you want with what restrictions or qualifications you want. This life and people are your not going to please everyone. If they get upset then they can put on their own shows and make whatever rules or qualifications they want for their catagories. Keep up the good work.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:13 AM   #107
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you are correct, I did say I was done with this thread, however, I spoke to Wayne, and decided with him that it would be best to come on and say we talked, and it was blown out of proportion by ME and Rocketman,

I agree with you my original post was a little harsh and straight forward but you known me 3-4 yrs now you ever known me to be tactful? I do it in my job, I do it on the forum its who I am...

There are no hard feelings between me and the wiki riders I spoke to today via telephone. I explained to them what I was getting at, they explained to me their position, we agreed on some points, we disagreed on some points, and its over....

I didnt say I didnt know what NO MERCY was about, I said I was unclear of their status being a motorcycle club, or a riding group, or a social group, when I last spoke to who I believed was the organizer of that group we talked about the process of becomming a MC, he wanted to move forward with that process, I dont know how far he got in it.. thats what I ment by that. sorry I wasnt clear before!

calm down for a minute and try to rationalize who is stirring the pot here, I am trying to end it, you keep throwing sticks and stones, when this was between Rocketman and myself, nobody else needed to get involved.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:14 AM   #108
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nobody is upset with the catagorys, the trophies, the show in general..

there you go again trying to stir the pot... let it go dude damn
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:37 AM   #109
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CBRme....no apologies necassary! The show was great and I agree a pretty good turn out. Heres the thing...dont get offended when people loose their cool over something like this...people who do that always will do that no matter what....you guys can make any rules you want for the show...thats the cool thing is its up to you! Its up to the people who attend the show to enter where and how they want according to what you have set up....Im personally proud to be a part of it this year....we will be back neck year as well....thank you for doing a good job.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:56 AM   #110
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Dennis please dont tell me what I did or didnt do....I blew nothing out of proportion...re reading this and your origional thread I dont think there is a person you didnt offend....you even criticized the show people...

Also I dont care if you talked with Wayne or anybody else for that matter......you still havent apologized to me or the group on this thread in public......trust me you can end it by just saying good job guys.....sorry. Its done....saying something like "have you ever known me to be tactful" is just lame and not an apology.....we know you arent tacful for sure...its all good...but to assume things and rip on things isnt ok with me....I can't recall ever being negative to you or your group before.....especially on an open public forum. With that Im done with this part of it....I mean if you have to twist an arm for an apology then it really doesnt mean much....and its ok you got back here to respond, but if you want to end it then just end it......would be glad to myself.
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Old 09-08-2008, 03:30 AM   #111
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I just have one more question and then I am really done and it's for Rocketman. Can I learn to pose like that?...
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Old 09-08-2008, 05:33 AM   #112
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Old 09-08-2008, 08:15 AM   #113
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Yeah you gotta point there Turtle.
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Old 09-08-2008, 08:18 AM   #114
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When I saw the title, I thought I was going to be reading about some sort of geek fest surrounding the great application 'Wiki' and all it's great variations.

Then I found this juvenile pissing match. On top of that you guys only posted 5 pics of chics!

What a waste of time.
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Old 09-08-2008, 09:32 AM   #115
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Well Spokane certianly does have many sorts of riders... fat starbuck riders or whatever included........the fact is its pretty simple...we can do what we want...call it what you will! RG whatever, Dennis would have a problem with whoever won it......take it up with the Judges.

When I post up on pnw for a group ride...that's got nothing to do with us...pnw is just a forum...not a club either...some people mistake that even its crazy......just because some of Wiki Ridas were there....doesnt mean we try to be something we arent. And we dont go around calling ourselves that....hi Im Brian...a Wiki RIda...nor will I ever introduce myself as that....good gosh dude! We can be low key and the all knowing Dennis doesnt have to know about it before we can be a group...sorry for that news buddy....(trying not to use bro here)...lol. I save that for my Wiki RIdas.....

Just a bit more about our RIDE GROUP.....Wiki Ridas is a group of hard core sportbike enthusiasts the love the hobby, we arent about huge egos or have anything to prove to try and make ourselves look better than we are or who is the best! We support each other and treat each other like family....also we treat our women with repect too.....something that is rare now days, what a thought.... We show respect to other riders no matter who they are on the streets.....men or women....If you are the opposite of any of these things you will never be a Wiki Rida......humble is huge with us......bragging isnt a good quality with us...sure theres a little trash talkin once in awhile but all in fun....we always try to support the riding community....Wiki means fast or quick...make fun of it if you want...its funny the second you put yourself out there peoples true character come out...its funny to watch....ive seen it many times....Dennis you really dont know it all man...I dont claim to either but maybe you should talk less and take others advice once in awhile! How about first of all showing respect to a group of people that has supported your group in many many ways...come on man....think about it...is it that hard to say congrats guys? While I certianly dont need your approval it would be a good thing to do. But whatever man you dont need my advice do you...

Im honored to ride with who I do...and they ride very well...Wiki Style.
Brian i know that you prolly said this stuff above in Red in the heat of battle and i hope it was not meant the way that i took it because if it was it more then offended me and other FTR members... Because as i see it from my end FTR is my Family and i respect all other club members RG's or MC's and We do not try and prove we are better then anyone else... we most definitely respect our women and we not only support the riding community we also give back to the community as a whole... As you may or may not know every event and every dime we make at these events... a large portion goes to LOCAL charities plus we give our time to Habitat for Humanity...

I stand by our Mission statement and it states the following and yes i know it by heart just ask my fellow Members... If you don't believe me i challenge you to ask me to state the FTR Mission Statement the next time you see me... but either way hear it is

The Full Tilt Mission is to build a strong and positive brother and sisterhood of people who share a passion for motorcycle riding...

Our mission is to project a positive and safety conscious image of riders to the community at large...

We are also dedicated to providing community service activities in urban areas and fostering an atmosphere of camaraderie between all communities...


As you know i was there and i came there in support of FTR and to enjoy the day with some friends i have gotten very close with by being a part of FTR.

It was also a day to spend with my significant other since having three kids we don't have a lot of time that we get to spend together...

All in all we had a great time (would have been better if the WATER PARK was open GRRRRRRrrrrrr)

I was not disappointed in FTR's Showing I was Utterly Embarrassed and honestly i would have been even more embarrassed to have received the Trophy for "Largest Club Showing"

I will Honestly say that initially i was a bit irritated (our weak showing didnt help my attitude much) about the Wiki Ridaz RG but after doing some thinking and a bit of research and asking some questions Offline I came to the realization that I was being foolish in my thinking so if any of you noticed that i was irritated i apologize for my initial reactions...

So in closing id like to formally Congratulate the Wiki Ridaz for a job well done as you guys deserved Every Trophy you received...

Oh and just wait till next year i plan on having a Sick ass ride... and if I have anything to say about it FTR will be there in FULL FORCE but either way i will be there in Support of FTR and the Excelerator Car and Bike Show...
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Old 09-08-2008, 09:58 AM   #116
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so what school yard is everyone meeting at?

3 pm.....out near the fences?
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Old 09-08-2008, 10:06 AM   #117
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Odd, the section highlighted in red looks to me like it's 100% about Wiki...and you took it upon yourself to assume it's about something other than that...

Let's meet up at the water tower next to Old Man Blakely's place, I'll bring the Scooby snacks...
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Old 09-08-2008, 10:19 AM   #118
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CBRme and MaRbLe, I would say don't worry about it if people got upset. I thought you guys have done a great job the last few years and I personnally have had fun at the shows. It's a nice show that allows us all to show what toys we got and not have to travel a long distance. Run the show how you want and make whatever catagories you want with what restrictions or qualifications you want. This life and people are your not going to please everyone. If they get upset then they can put on their own shows and make whatever rules or qualifications they want for their catagories. Keep up the good work.
Ohh I know I cant make everyone happy, I still feel the need to try. Its the continuing support of attendees that allows us to put on this show each year. Again thank you all for showing your support once again.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:07 PM   #119
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you are right I when I said that It was heated....but I meant what I said....BUT I was not referring to FTR at all! I was response to Dennis accusing us of just throwing a bunch of PNW riders together and calling ourselves a group....accusing us us being something we arent....so that was in response to his comments....

also the rest of it was simply explaining our group....,mainly responding to the club rules Dennis posted.....you guys can do what you want.....we can have ours just how we want. Thats why Im not part of FTR or any other club. I won't do some of those things. While I certianly dont agree with some of it I think thats my right to do so....but like I said it was said in defense of what Dennis was saying....I hope that clears it up....I will never attack or cut down FTR as a group, just so you know.....

I supported Gary in many conversations and with lots of encouragement to bring FTR here. I think its a good thing. Just not for me.

Here my main issue. Forget all the rest as far as Im concerned....Dennis spouting off being a mouth before he thinks....there is a better way to go about it that just throwing out negativity...he could have sent a PM or text, or heck even called someone instead of just blasting off this negative post in response to what should have been a congatulations. Thats all. We are all friends, we have a great time with you guys, some people just have a mouth and start fires. Hope that helps and thank you for the question.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:17 PM   #120
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Hey James I'll let you do the patened pose if you let me ride the love machine to thunder thursday...or saturday night drags....
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