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mikeface · 06-30-2009, 01:17 PM

I'm trying to decide on what exhaust to get, and having a hard time. It seems performance is comparable across most, so I'm trying to decide based on sound. Trouble is, audio/video clips of the same exhaust can sound different. I've been looking at Two Brothers, Leo Vince, and Staintunes. I'm looking for something with a deeper, kinda growly tone.

So, I was hoping there might be some VFR riders in the Tacoma/Seattle area that I could get an in person listen to their aftermarket exhaust

If that's you, let me know! Or if you have recommendations, would love to hear those too.

Busa Girl · 06-30-2009, 02:09 PM

The best way to go is to core your existing, stock exhaust by taking a Dremel tool to the inside end pipe. The VFR Board has detailed instructions. The sound is uber-cool, low tone but not loud - like a miniature small-block Chevy. Better than ANY other set up.

Do NOT take the whole thing apart, cut the can in half and gut the entire exhaust. Simply take the heat sheilds off, drop the cans and core out the inner end pipe section from the tail of the exhaust.

Be prepared to go through a dozen circular cutting Dremel bits. Oh, and wear gloves - I ruined a good set of fake fingernails!

Click · 06-30-2009, 09:56 PM

Mine might be a little old, but I have a 97 VFR with a Staintune. Love the sound of it. At high RPM's through the twisties, it sounds kind of like an exotic sports car.

R.W. · 06-30-2009, 10:43 PM

Leo's sound awesome on a 6th gen

RVFR · 06-30-2009, 10:53 PM

Staintunes my friend..

rpappi · 06-30-2009, 11:54 PM

LASERS for god sake get the lasers.

looks bad ass
sounds even better

or staintunes

RedVFR · 07-01-2009, 12:28 AM

Leo Vince FTW!!!

Busa Girl · 07-01-2009, 08:58 AM

The boys are all giving you great options but I’m telling you sweetheart; core your existing cans the way I’ve described and that VFR will sound better than ANY aftermarket exhaust. Also, you’ll retain the cool, clean sixth generation exhaust look and only end up spending $37.

What do you have to lose?

mikeface · 07-01-2009, 09:11 AM

The only problem I've read with gutting the stock cans is that you lose some of the low end. I figured that since I was going for exhaust I might as well get something that would up performance as well, eventually I'd like to get the PCIII and such. I only can go off of what I read haha, don't know much about this stuff myself

RedVFR · 07-01-2009, 09:29 AM

I would say get the PCIII or PC V first. Without it, you will get a lot of popping and overscavenging from the less restrictive aftermarket exhaust, unless you plan on putting in all the silencing baffles that come with it. I put my exhaust on first and it wasn't right until I got the PCIII in there and uploaded the right fuel map to it.

K2TheM · 07-01-2009, 09:50 AM

VFR's sound sick un muffled. Sounds like a small muscle car. If I had the extra coin, and the time to get to my carbs, I'd totally rejet to run straight pipes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSBD8aNyKS0

VFRMike · 07-01-2009, 09:55 AM

I agree with RedVFR. If you buy the exhaust without a PC you will not be able to tune it for the new pipe. It will also help out with the surge in the 4-5K range.

RedVFR · 07-01-2009, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by K2TheM

VFR's sound sick un muffled. Sounds like a small muscle car. If I had the extra coin, and the time to get to my carbs, I'd totally rejet to run straight pipes...

Totally agree!! I ran mine with the exhaust off when I was putting the Leo's on and even with the cat converters built into the header pipes, it sounded soooo cool!

Busa Girl · 07-01-2009, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by mikeface

The only problem I've read with gutting the stock cans is that you lose some of the low end. I figured that since I was going for exhaust I might as well get something that would up performance as well, eventually I'd like to get the PCIII and such. I only can go off of what I read haha, don't know much about this stuff myself

I'm not talking gutting, I'm talking coring. Core the damn things - end only - and you will lose NOTHING. If you want more performance - less than 10%? - then nut-up and spend the $$$thousands$$$ on a full system and PCIII.

AndyCatts · 07-01-2009, 10:57 AM

My buddy has a 6th gen VFR with the Laser pipes...HOLY FRICKIN CRAP it sounds awesome. Sounds like a '68 Camaro SS...seriously awesome. Buy the Laser system, you won't regret it. Plus it looks bad-A! Laser exhaust website

mikeface · 07-01-2009, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Busa Girl

I'm not talking gutting, I'm talking coring. Core the damn things - end only - and you will lose NOTHING. If you want more performance - less than 10%? - then nut-up and spend the $$$thousands$$$ on a full system and PCIII.

Just to make sure, you talking about the procedure borg did in this thread?

VFRMike · 07-01-2009, 12:33 PM

You are correct. Follow Borg's instructions from this link.

K2TheM · 07-01-2009, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by mikeface

Just to make sure, you talking about the procedure borg did in this thread?

do it do it do it! OMG it sounds so amazing!

Vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjD12nYM6ak

I wish I had one of these, NOW... oh wow.

EvergreenVFR · 07-01-2009, 01:14 PM

Although my preference is stock, I've always thought Two Bros. Racing cans sound pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mukX_zSlXg

Two Bros. makes them in carbon fiber, titanium, and stainless steel. Keep in mind that only one of the cans is functional (something some people have issues with.) In terms of performance, this isn't necessarily a negative. I realize the Two Bros. cans are simply slip ons, but some full systems on Gixxer 1k's use only one can to replace the two stockers. It's all about tuning.

Here's another picture of a current generation ('02+) VFR with Two Bros. cans. In case anybody is wondering, yes, they do make aftermarket wheels for the VFR (these Carrozzeria's run $3.5k). You gotta admit they look pretty good. Notice he's got an aftermarket tail light assembly, too.

Not that anybody cares, but can you point out this guy's blunder? He put a sticker on the back that reads VFR788 when, in actuality, the engine only displaces 781cc's (they do make an aftermarket big bore kit for the VFR, but it increases displacement from 781cc's to something like 830-840cc's.)

RedVFR · 07-01-2009, 02:05 PM

............................................^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Notice it also has an aftermarket catless header? I've always wanted to hear a 6th gen with the catless header and Leo Vince cans but I don't think the return on investment is enough to make me want to buy the header.

EvergreenVFR · 07-01-2009, 03:50 PM

Yeah, those headers probably cost him about $700. Had he gotten a hold of some '98-'99 catless headers, he would have gotten the same result for less than half of what he paid. Is it worth it? It depends on who you ask. From what I've seen, people with VTECs that installed catless headers, good aftermarket cans, a PCIII, and a good aftermarket air cleaner have gone from 99 rwhp to about 108 rwhp (with 110 being the highest I've ever seen.) While going from 99 to 108 is only a 9.1% increase in power, most people seem to do it for the look and sound of aftermarket exhaust cans. Just about everybody I've spoken to with a PCIII has said that, properly done, it really smooths out the VTEC transition at 6,400 RPMs (or 7,000 depending on the year.)

The black VTEC in the picture is probably the best-looking VFR I've ever seen. The only thing I would have done differently is gone with titanium cans, a supersport front fender (like mine), clear turn signal lenses (like mine), and a shorter windshield (also like mine.) Notice the guy also has an Ohlins steering damper. If I were a betting man, I'd say he's got an Ohlins rear shock to go with it.

Here's mine:

RedVFR · 07-01-2009, 03:58 PM

Yes it does. I am running the Coyze v.5 map that I found over at VFRD on my PCIII, courtesy of a heads up from Cammer (thanks again man!) and as a result, the low end throttle response is far smoother and the vtec transition is way less abrupt. I'm still voting for a PCIII first, then the exhaust.

K2TheM · 07-01-2009, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by EvergreenVFR

...Keep in mind that only one of the cans is functional (something some people have issues with.)...

What do you mean by only one can is functional?

RedVFR · 07-01-2009, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by K2TheM

What do you mean by only one can is functional?

There is no "Y" pipe, the left can is just sitting there doing nothing but looking pretty.

mikeface · 07-01-2009, 04:15 PM

Actually, Two Brothers on an RC51 is what made me want to do the exhaust on mine

Yea, I know mine won't ever sound like an RC51, but still. The non-functional can doesn't bother me.

K2TheM · 07-01-2009, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by RedVFR

There is no "Y" pipe, the left can is just sitting there doing nothing but looking pretty.

Wow. There's a money pit...

EvergreenVFR · 07-01-2009, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by K2TheM

Wow. There's a money pit...

That's why I said some people have issues with it. However, until somebody posts some Dyno charts, one can't really say they're inferior in terms of performance. They certainly do look good. BTW, the tip of the non-functional can be unscrewed (by hand). A lot of people store documents (e.g. registration, insurance, etc.) in there.

Busa Girl · 07-01-2009, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by mikeface

Just to make sure, you talking about the procedure borg did in this thread?

They are talking about two procedures in that thread. If you keep searching you will find a thread for the simple end-pipe core job. (As opposed to the gutting of entire cans)

Or you could send a PM to Biggn1400, who has done the very procedure we're discussing. I'm betting Justin would do the job for you for $100-$200.

james1300 · 07-01-2009, 04:49 PM

Leave it STOCK. Learn how to ride what you got. Not just make noise, like all the other kids.
Invest the money in school and learn to ride.

RedVFR · 07-01-2009, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by james1300

Leave it STOCK. Learn how to ride what you got. Not just make noise, like all the other kids.
Invest the money in school and learn to ride.

Ah James, people want to express themselves....just go with it.

K2TheM · 07-01-2009, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by EvergreenVFR

That's why I said some people have issues with it. However, until somebody posts some Dyno charts, one can't really say they're inferior in terms of performance. They certainly do look good. BTW, the tip of the non-functional can be unscrewed (by hand). A lot of people store documents (e.g. registration, insurance, etc.) in there.

I didn't realize the second muffler didn't break off till so late in the mid pipe. So the left muffler is more of a dummy to begin with...

EvergreenVFR · 07-01-2009, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Busa Girl

They are talking about two procedures in that thread. If you keep searching you will find a thread for the simple end-pipe core job. (As opposed to the gutting of entire cans)

Or you could send a PM to Biggn1400, who has done the very procedure we're discussing. I'm betting Justin would do the job for you for $100-$200.

She's right. And if you don't like it, stock VTEC cans are easy to find inexpensively (btw, hope you feel better, Busa Girl!)

Here's the Two Bros. Racing can in titanium. I really liked the way it looks but wanted to maintain a quiet motorcycle. Consequently, I did my stockers up to look a little more like the Two Bros. cans.

I sanded down heat shields and tips down to the metal and then painted the tips with high temperature engine & case paint. The heat shields now have sort of brushed aluminum look that can sort of pass for titanium at a distance.

Here's what they looked like before:

mikeface · 07-01-2009, 06:00 PM

Coring of the stock exhaust is scheduled for tomorrow morning

I figure if I don't like it I can always do the aftermarket route. I'll let you know how it goes!

krautBurner · 07-01-2009, 06:53 PM

I had Staintunes on my 2004
my roommate had lasers on his 2003

I really liked the deeper tone of the staintunes at normal riding,
but the lasers rocked at WOT

I'll see if I can find the videos

krautBurner · 07-01-2009, 06:54 PM

here's a discussion on VFRworld

http://vfrworld.com/forums/polls/398...h-gen-vfr.html

krautBurner · 07-01-2009, 06:58 PM

here's a thread on gutting the stock exhaust.

I've got a stock exhaust in my garage if you want an extra (so you don't ruin your only option)

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/i...howtopic=29017

mikeface · 07-01-2009, 07:26 PM

I've read most of those, haha. Initially this thread was a hope to hear some of the aftermarket/mod'd exhausts in person, the video sounds seem to vary somewhat.

This is what I'll be doing tomorrow morning.

Busa Girl · 07-01-2009, 08:17 PM

FYI Mike - you don't have to take the exhaust off to accomplish this modification. Good luck and let us know how it goes and whether or not you like the sound Sweetie!

XOXO

mikeface · 07-02-2009, 01:35 PM

Just finished, didn't take off the exhaust. I had my brother help me, we only went through 8 cutting discs

It sounds pretty awesome, I'm definitely happy I did it this way.

Busa Girl · 07-02-2009, 04:01 PM

That makes me so happy Mike Sweetie! I’m really pleased it turned out the way you wanted it. And look, it only cost you a few cutting discs and some elbow grease – how cool is THAT?!?

Just wait till you hear it under heavy deceleration as you downshift – sooooo cooooool!!!!!!!!!

VVVVRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

jumpj ump:


06-30-2009, 01:17 PM	#1
mikeface Newbie Joined: May 2008 From: Puyallup, WA I Ride: '06 Honda VFR800	which exhaust for '06 VFR I'm trying to decide on what exhaust to get, and having a hard time. It seems performance is comparable across most, so I'm trying to decide based on sound. Trouble is, audio/video clips of the same exhaust can sound different. I've been looking at Two Brothers, Leo Vince, and Staintunes. I'm looking for something with a deeper, kinda growly tone. So, I was hoping there might be some VFR riders in the Tacoma/Seattle area that I could get an in person listen to their aftermarket exhaust If that's you, let me know! Or if you have recommendations, would love to hear those too. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


06-30-2009, 02:09 PM	#2
Busa Girl Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2008 From: Salem-Seattle-Portland-? I Ride: Busa!	The best way to go is to core your existing, stock exhaust by taking a Dremel tool to the inside end pipe. The VFR Board has detailed instructions. The sound is uber-cool, low tone but not loud - like a miniature small-block Chevy. Better than ANY other set up. Do NOT take the whole thing apart, cut the can in half and gut the entire exhaust. Simply take the heat sheilds off, drop the cans and core out the inner end pipe section from the tail of the exhaust. Be prepared to go through a dozen circular cutting Dremel bits. Oh, and wear gloves - I ruined a good set of fake fingernails! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


06-30-2009, 09:56 PM	#3
Click WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Aug 2007 From: Burien, Wa I Ride: I just keep it in the garage and make the neighbors think I ride	Mine might be a little old, but I have a 97 VFR with a Staintune. Love the sound of it. At high RPM's through the twisties, it sounds kind of like an exotic sports car. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


06-30-2009, 10:43 PM	#4
R.W. WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Aug 2006 From: Port Orchard WA & Santa Rosa CA I Ride: 99 VFR	Leo's sound awesome on a 6th gen __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


06-30-2009, 10:53 PM	#5
RVFR Pilot in Command Joined: Dec 2005 From: Olympia, WA Blog Entries: 11 I Ride: Honda............Ducati?	Staintunes my friend.. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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06-30-2009, 11:54 PM	#6
rpappi Superbiker Joined: Dec 2007 From: Puyallup, Wa I Ride: SHINKO's	LASERS for god sake get the lasers. looks bad ass sounds even better or staintunes __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by rpappi; 07-01-2009 at 12:20 AM..


07-01-2009, 12:28 AM	#7
RedVFR Fast, Easy, and Old Fashioned Joined: Sep 2006 From: Spokane I Ride: Guess.....	Leo Vince FTW!!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 08:58 AM	#8
Busa Girl Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2008 From: Salem-Seattle-Portland-? I Ride: Busa!	The boys are all giving you great options but I’m telling you sweetheart; core your existing cans the way I’ve described and that VFR will sound better than ANY aftermarket exhaust. Also, you’ll retain the cool, clean sixth generation exhaust look and only end up spending $37. What do you have to lose? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 09:11 AM	#9
mikeface Newbie Joined: May 2008 From: Puyallup, WA I Ride: '06 Honda VFR800	The only problem I've read with gutting the stock cans is that you lose some of the low end. I figured that since I was going for exhaust I might as well get something that would up performance as well, eventually I'd like to get the PCIII and such. I only can go off of what I read haha, don't know much about this stuff myself __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 09:29 AM	#10
RedVFR Fast, Easy, and Old Fashioned Joined: Sep 2006 From: Spokane I Ride: Guess.....	I would say get the PCIII or PC V first. Without it, you will get a lot of popping and overscavenging from the less restrictive aftermarket exhaust, unless you plan on putting in all the silencing baffles that come with it. I put my exhaust on first and it wasn't right until I got the PCIII in there and uploaded the right fuel map to it. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 09:55 AM	#12
VFRMike WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Nov 2007 From: Edmonds I Ride: 06 Honda VFR800A 86 Honda VFR750F & 83 Honda VT500 Ascot	I agree with RedVFR. If you buy the exhaust without a PC you will not be able to tune it for the new pipe. It will also help out with the surge in the 4-5K range. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 10:57 AM	#15
AndyCatts Endorsed Joined: May 2008 From: Portland, Oregon I Ride: 2003 Kawi Ninja ZX6-R 636, 2007 Suzuki GSX-R 600	My buddy has a 6th gen VFR with the Laser pipes...HOLY FRICKIN CRAP it sounds awesome. Sounds like a '68 Camaro SS...seriously awesome. Buy the Laser system, you won't regret it. Plus it looks bad-A! Laser exhaust website __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 12:33 PM	#17
VFRMike WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Nov 2007 From: Edmonds I Ride: 06 Honda VFR800A 86 Honda VFR750F & 83 Honda VT500 Ascot	You are correct. Follow Borg's instructions from this link. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 02:05 PM	#20
RedVFR Fast, Easy, and Old Fashioned Joined: Sep 2006 From: Spokane I Ride: Guess.....	............................................^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Notice it also has an aftermarket catless header? I've always wanted to hear a 6th gen with the catless header and Leo Vince cans but I don't think the return on investment is enough to make me want to buy the header. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 03:50 PM	#21
EvergreenVFR Endorsed Joined: Jan 2009 From: Seatac, WA I Ride: Honda VFR800	Yeah, those headers probably cost him about $700. Had he gotten a hold of some '98-'99 catless headers, he would have gotten the same result for less than half of what he paid. Is it worth it? It depends on who you ask. From what I've seen, people with VTECs that installed catless headers, good aftermarket cans, a PCIII, and a good aftermarket air cleaner have gone from 99 rwhp to about 108 rwhp (with 110 being the highest I've ever seen.) While going from 99 to 108 is only a 9.1% increase in power, most people seem to do it for the look and sound of aftermarket exhaust cans. Just about everybody I've spoken to with a PCIII has said that, properly done, it really smooths out the VTEC transition at 6,400 RPMs (or 7,000 depending on the year.) The black VTEC in the picture is probably the best-looking VFR I've ever seen. The only thing I would have done differently is gone with titanium cans, a supersport front fender (like mine), clear turn signal lenses (like mine), and a shorter windshield (also like mine.) Notice the guy also has an Ohlins steering damper. If I were a betting man, I'd say he's got an Ohlins rear shock to go with it. Here's mine: __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 03:58 PM	#22
RedVFR Fast, Easy, and Old Fashioned Joined: Sep 2006 From: Spokane I Ride: Guess.....	Yes it does. I am running the Coyze v.5 map that I found over at VFRD on my PCIII, courtesy of a heads up from Cammer (thanks again man!) and as a result, the low end throttle response is far smoother and the vtec transition is way less abrupt. I'm still voting for a PCIII first, then the exhaust. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 04:15 PM	#25
mikeface Newbie Joined: May 2008 From: Puyallup, WA I Ride: '06 Honda VFR800	Actually, Two Brothers on an RC51 is what made me want to do the exhaust on mine Yea, I know mine won't ever sound like an RC51, but still. The non-functional can doesn't bother me. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 04:49 PM	#29
james1300 Track School Dazed Joined: Oct 2005 From: CENTRAL I Ride: When I can	Leave it STOCK. Learn how to ride what you got. Not just make noise, like all the other kids. Invest the money in school and learn to ride. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 06:00 PM	#33
mikeface Newbie Joined: May 2008 From: Puyallup, WA I Ride: '06 Honda VFR800	Coring of the stock exhaust is scheduled for tomorrow morning I figure if I don't like it I can always do the aftermarket route. I'll let you know how it goes! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 06:53 PM	#34
krautBurner Superbiker Joined: Oct 2007 From: Bremerton, Wa I Ride: Slower than you on my Kawasaki GTR 1400	I had Staintunes on my 2004 my roommate had lasers on his 2003 I really liked the deeper tone of the staintunes at normal riding, but the lasers rocked at WOT I'll see if I can find the videos __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 06:54 PM	#35
krautBurner Superbiker Joined: Oct 2007 From: Bremerton, Wa I Ride: Slower than you on my Kawasaki GTR 1400	here's a discussion on VFRworld http://vfrworld.com/forums/polls/398...h-gen-vfr.html __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 06:58 PM	#36
krautBurner Superbiker Joined: Oct 2007 From: Bremerton, Wa I Ride: Slower than you on my Kawasaki GTR 1400	here's a thread on gutting the stock exhaust. I've got a stock exhaust in my garage if you want an extra (so you don't ruin your only option) http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/i...howtopic=29017 __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 07:26 PM	#37
mikeface Newbie Joined: May 2008 From: Puyallup, WA I Ride: '06 Honda VFR800	I've read most of those, haha. Initially this thread was a hope to hear some of the aftermarket/mod'd exhausts in person, the video sounds seem to vary somewhat. This is what I'll be doing tomorrow morning. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 08:17 PM	#38
Busa Girl Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2008 From: Salem-Seattle-Portland-? I Ride: Busa!	FYI Mike - you don't have to take the exhaust off to accomplish this modification. Good luck and let us know how it goes and whether or not you like the sound Sweetie! XOXO __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 01:35 PM	#39
mikeface Newbie Joined: May 2008 From: Puyallup, WA I Ride: '06 Honda VFR800	Just finished, didn't take off the exhaust. I had my brother help me, we only went through 8 cutting discs It sounds pretty awesome, I'm definitely happy I did it this way. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 04:01 PM	#40
Busa Girl Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2008 From: Salem-Seattle-Portland-? I Ride: Busa!	That makes me so happy Mike Sweetie! I’m really pleased it turned out the way you wanted it. And look, it only cost you a few cutting discs and some elbow grease – how cool is THAT?!? Just wait till you hear it under heavy deceleration as you downshift – sooooo cooooool!!!!!!!!! VVVVRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM jumpj ump: __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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