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gilberjj · 06-30-2009, 10:47 PM

What are you all using to clean your chain. I have 11.2k miles on my bike in about a year and a half, and my chain has one link that has seized. It goes around the sprockets, but then is cok-eyed and I think it's making the chain bounce up and down when I'm riding (I have checked and rechecked, and it is adjusted for slack properly). I have spent multiple times cleaning it with wd40 for 30+ minutes at a time, but I can't get it right. I neglected my chain for about 3k miles once and the chain hasn't really recovered I don't think.
I simply don't believe that wd40 is bad for the o-rings because oly zx12 guy got something like 40k miles out of a chain with ONLY wd40 if I remember correctly.
What is the secret for chain cleaning and lubing perfection?

kmannth · 06-30-2009, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by gilberjj

What are you all using to clean your chain. I have 11.2k miles on my bike in about a year and a half, and my chain has one link that has seized. It goes around the sprockets, but then is cok-eyed and I think it's making the chain bounce up and down when I'm riding (I have checked and rechecked, and it is adjusted for slack properly). I have spent multiple times cleaning it with wd40 for 30+ minutes at a time, but I can't get it right. I neglected my chain for about 3k miles once and the chain hasn't really recovered I don't think.
I simply don't believe that wd40 is bad for the o-rings because oly zx12 guy got something like 40k miles out of a chain with ONLY wd40 if I remember correctly.
What is the secret for chain cleaning and lubing perfection?

Wait you used wd40 and didn't like it's results but don't think it is related to wd40? (might want to be honest with yourself and be open to what someone might say).

Are you oiling the chain when it is warm or cold?
You ride in the rain alot? Leave the bike outside alot?
How often did you adjust and lube the chain?
How are you applying the oil?

justin86 · 06-30-2009, 11:12 PM

WD-40, WD-40, more WD-40 and a brush to get the grime off. Then finish off with chain lube. At 11K of hard riding under the right conditions will kill a chain. Lots of water(wash your bike a lot?) or dust/grime. If WD-40 and chain lube won't get rid of the kink in a few rides it or make it better then it is there to stay...

Jet City Racer · 06-30-2009, 11:22 PM

Once a link has seized it is almost impossible to "unkink" it. It probably has some galling on the metal itself and your only real choice is to replace the chain.

Sorry

dragracer1951 · 07-01-2009, 05:55 AM

Two ways to check if the chain is beyond it's service life.
Pull the chain off the rear of the sprocket. Can you lift it much?
How much side play is there on the top run.
Chains wear by developing slop in the pins and bushings.
O ring chains are lubed at the factory. You aren't going to get any more lube in past the orings. All you can do is clean it with WD40. I use a Pro Oiler on my 1040 FZR and get 25k to 30k out of a chain.
If you have a seized link it's time for a new chain.
The key to long chain life is not lubing it, but keeping it clean.

shelbyguy · 07-01-2009, 06:03 AM

theres alot of common sence goin on here.

all of you halt this mess and get back to ribbing..

that is all

dragracer1951 · 07-01-2009, 06:06 AM

mikefsu · 07-01-2009, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by dragracer1951

stfu

james1300 · 07-01-2009, 06:17 AM

Not one chain maker recommends WD40 as a cleaner.
Kerosene has been and can be used as a cleaner.

dragracer1951 · 07-01-2009, 06:25 AM

Whaddya think is in WD40??????????????

mikefsu · 07-01-2009, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by dragracer1951

Whaddya think is in WD40??????????????

Stuff that chain cleaner makers think are bad

http://www.wd40.com/faqs/

busatim · 07-01-2009, 06:35 AM

Water Displacement 40's main ingredient is fish oil.
It's great for taking the stickers off your bike.

I also used it on a yellowjackets nest yesterday, works great.
I used it without a match.

MMAGuy1970 · 07-01-2009, 07:00 AM

WD40 for the past 2+ years with no issues.

30 mins. of cleaning with WD.... that just might be your problem. I go around the chain twice and then wipe it down with a rag until it's close to spotless... we're talking 10 mins. tops. Once I'm done with that I apply the chain wax and it's all good.

shelbyguy · 07-01-2009, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by dragracer1951

Stfu

fyi. bled the dizzer and read brake works betta

Originally Posted by mikefsu

ur just mad that BOTH ur bikes are broke...

ScooterRash · 07-01-2009, 09:03 AM

REPLACE THE CHAIN!

Keep in mind WD40 is a penetrating oil. Although it does break the grease and grime down so the chain becomes sparkling clean, it also will penetrate around the orings and dilute the grease which is packed between the pin and bushing. If it works for you, keep using it but I wouldn't recommend it.

If you want to keep your chain in good working order, use kerosene, diesel or a chain cleaner such as Motorex 611 chain clean (Which I use and it works great)

gilberjj · 07-01-2009, 09:22 AM

Thanks for the replies everyone!!!!

Originally Posted by kmannth

Wait you used wd40 and didn't like it's results but don't think it is related to wd40? (might want to be honest with yourself and be open to what someone might say).

Are you oiling the chain when it is warm or cold?
You ride in the rain alot? Leave the bike outside alot?
How often did you adjust and lube the chain?
How are you applying the oil?

I have some bel-ray chain wax, and I follow its instructions on the back of the can. Clean the chain, 5 min ride to warm up the chain, and then lube.
I never ride in the rain, I hate it.
My bike has only stayed outside once in its lifetime. It stays in a garage.
mnfr recommends checking the chain every 600 miles. I had to do it more often than that at first because the zx14 stretches chains for the first 5000 miles and it was always needing tightened.
I apply the oil by putting it on a rear stand and spray it on the middle as the chain is going around, and then a little on the outside.

Originally Posted by james1300

Not one chain maker recommends WD40 as a cleaner.
Kerosene has been and can be used as a cleaner.

I have heard that kerosene and diesel are great cleaners, but I don't really have a way to use either of those without taking off the swingarm every 600 miles (which isn't practical). The stock chain DOESN'T have a master link. I might be able to get a small shallow bucket and clean the chain with kerosene or diesel every time I have my rear wheel off, but that sounds like a pita too.

Originally Posted by MMAGuy1970

WD40 for the past 2+ years with no issues.

30 mins. of cleaning with WD.... that just might be your problem. I go around the chain twice and then wipe it down with a rag until it's close to spotless... we're talking 10 mins. tops. Once I'm done with that I apply the chain wax and it's all good.

Maybe it's the places I ride, or you are just an awesome cleaner, but my rag is coming off black as sin for the entire 30 mins it seems like!!!!!!! Maybe I should clean it more often.

Originally Posted by ScooterRash

REPLACE THE CHAIN!

Keep in mind WD40 is a penetrating oil. Although it does break the grease and grime down so the chain becomes sparkling clean, it also will penetrate around the orings and dilute the grease which is packed between the pin and bushing. If it works for you, keep using it but I wouldn't recommend it.

If you want to keep your chain in good working order, use kerosene, diesel or a chain cleaner such as Motorex 611 chain clean (Which I use and it works great)

I've heard that wd-40 can penetrate through the o-rings, but how do you explain many motorcycle riders ON THIS FORUM using it with great success for thousands and thousands of miles?

dragracer1951 · 07-01-2009, 09:43 AM

Buy a grunge brush...

MaytagRepairman · 07-01-2009, 09:50 AM

A timely thread for myself. I just hit 3k on the odometer and nagged the wife to dig out the manual to see if it needed anything. I cringed when I saw the chain needed cleaned/lubed/whatever every 500 miles and she had no idea if the chain had ever been lubed since she bought the bike (over a year before I met her). I was just going to just spray it down with Bel-Ray chain lube but I see I'm going to have to work on it with a brush and cleaner product first.

denydog · 07-01-2009, 10:00 AM

I clean the chain on the Suzuki every 1,500 miles or so with kerosene, followed with PJ1 Blue label chain lube. This is my short range bike, so it doesn't have to be done very often. I used to not clean so often, but I don't ride this one as much anymore, so I can afford to keep it clean.

Picture from a year ago, just after cleaning, but coincidently, I cleaned the chain again yesterday.

Shaft drive on the long range beemer

gilberjj · 07-01-2009, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by denydog

I clean the chain on the Suzuki every 1,500 miles or so with kerosene, followed with PJ1 Blue label chain lube. This is my short range bike, so it doesn't have to be done very often. Shaft drive on the long range beemer

Picture from a year ago, just after cleaning, but coincidently, I cleaned the chain again yesterday.

that bike looks purty!!!!!

denydog · 07-01-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by gilberjj

that bike looks purty!!!!!

It's not too bad for 27 years and 36,000 miles (bike, not the chain). But I owe it all to chain maintenance!

btw- Don't see too many 630 chains anymore. D.I.D 630 Pro V is the one I've found.

bcj · 07-01-2009, 11:18 AM

You don't need to take the chain off and put it in a bucket with kerosene.

Put some kerosene in a $1.50 spray bottle and use it just like you would with the expensive spritz juice.

koorbloh · 07-01-2009, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by bcj

You don't need to take the chain off and put it in a bucket with kerosene.

Put some kerosene in a $1.50 spray bottle and use it just like you would with the expensive spritz juice.

or soak a rag...

or a paint brush...

or a turkey baster/eye dropper...

I unkinked a chain with wd-40 once...

it was a neglected chain that just needed a bit of love...

wingding · 07-01-2009, 11:23 AM

Riding on a dry chain is like dry f#cking. You might be enjoying yourself but neither her or your bike will appreciate it!

Degenerate · 07-01-2009, 11:32 AM

Well if the kink is your main issue, I would not take any chances Just replace it. To take care of a chain, I use a rag and just moist it with goof off then I rub the outsides of the chain, not letting the towel touch the inner roller. You can do this while the bike is on the stand and roll the wheel, it takes about 5 mins to clean the outside links. Make sure you DO NOT put too much goof off on the towel so it drips on the O-rings, only apply just enough to let it do its job. Then you need to take the bike out and ride it for a bit to warm up the chain. come back home and put it on the stand and lube it with real chain lube, I use http://www.belray.com/media.fsp?id=1297. You do not need to hit the outside of the chain when lubing, the only parts you need to hit is the roller bearing and the O-ring cavity top and bottom of the chain. Remember The chain is under a extreme amount of stress and to cheap out on lube could cost you plastic, rims, chain covers, tiers or even a bike. So a 10.00$ can of lube is cheap insurance. Besides a can of proper lube will last along time.

300-600mi Lube chain
This depends on how hard you are riding and how dry/dirty the lube currently on there is looking.

Transported · 07-01-2009, 12:00 PM

I have had a problem with a kinked link many times. I have always found the culprit to be the master link.

I have replaced the master link when it begins to kink and the chain runs fine until the master kinks again.

Perhaps they aren't sealed as well as the other links. Perhaps the clip or the press (depending on type) does not provide the same contact pressure.

I've also noticed that masters will tend to stretch more than the other links, making them no longer seat between the sprocket teeth. This will make it jump around.

james1300 · 07-01-2009, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by gilberjj

Thanks for the replies everyone!!!!

I have heard that kerosene and diesel are great cleaners, but I don't really have a way to use either of those without taking off the swingarm every 600 miles (which isn't practical). The stock chain DOESN'T have a master link. I might be able to get a small shallow bucket and clean the chain with kerosene or diesel every time I have my rear wheel off, but that sounds like a pita too.

I've heard that wd-40 can penetrate through the o-rings, but how do you explain many motorcycle riders ON THIS FORUM using it with great success for thousands and thousands of miles?

You use a 'Grunge Brush' to clean the chain on the bike. You dont need to remove the chain from the bike to clean it.
Kerosene, YES!
Diesel, NO!
'Great success'?
No chain maker recommends WD40 or Diesel to clean O/X ring chains.
Your chain 'failed' using WD40 as a cleaner, My VStrom 650's chain failed, because the prior owner used WD40 as a cleaner. 18K.
My R1 Yamaha has the ORIGIONAL chain on it.
22K and still looking great. I clean using Kerosene and a 'Grunge Brush', available at most Dirt bike shops.
I also use a WAX type chain lube, and lube every 500 miles or 200 if Im riding in the rain.

Jalharad · 07-01-2009, 01:03 PM

i use a grunge brush and kerosene every 2-3k miles, just the brush every 300-500. I then use silkolene white graphite lube. I don't use wax because it tends to fling. Manufacturers do not recommend using wd-40 because it degrades the rubber on the O/X rings. I can also cause seized rings because it will displace the ring.

The way I would get the seized ring out is to cut the link out. You can pick up another master link (clip or rivet style) to put the chain back together again. Make sure to readjust the chain tension. You can only really do this after the chain has streched out quite a bit.

Lynk · 07-01-2009, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Degenerate

... To take care of a chain, I use a rag and just moist it with goof off then I rub the outsides of the chain, ...

That's playing with fire!

Eugene · 07-01-2009, 01:39 PM

meh, new chain and sprockets, not that expensive....

GPaddict · 07-01-2009, 04:08 PM

Dude go to any motorcycle store ask for SPRAY chain cleaner http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...IM7elQfOk9HaDQ its like $12 youll spend 15min and your chain and sprocket will look like new, dont forget chain lube!!!!!!!!!!!! Good stuff

gilberjj · 07-02-2009, 04:07 PM

thanks everyone for the responses. I'm going to do the kerosene in a spray bottle. I'll let you all know how it works.

a109driver · 07-02-2009, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by gilberjj

...I have heard that kerosene and diesel are great cleaners, but I don't really have a way to use either of those without taking off the swingarm every 600 miles (which isn't practical). The stock chain DOESN'T have a master link. I might be able to get a small shallow bucket and clean the chain with kerosene or diesel every time I have my rear wheel off, but that sounds like a pita too.

Kerosene, yes! Diesel, no. Jet fuel also works because it is basically kerosene. I get some from work when we take fuel samples from aircraft that cannot be put back in the tank. I use a rag dampened with it and rotate the wheel on a stand. When I remove the rear wheel, too often lately for flats, I use the a small shallow bucket with jet fuel and rotate the chain every 5 minutes or so. You don't want to leave it in the cleaner for more than 10 minutes.

Originally Posted by koorbloh

or soak a rag...

or a paint brush...

or a turkey baster/eye dropper...

The brush is a good idea, but I would use only soft bristles. Old socks work great over your hand. We have a lot of old socks with three boys in the house. I never throw them out till I've ruined them cleaning bike parts.

This stuff works great for lubrication. It's about $5 at Lowes.

Nicegy525 · 07-02-2009, 05:40 PM

lots of good advice here.

If you cant get the kink completely out your SAFEST move is to replace it. Unfortunately with 11K on the sprockets, its also safest to replace front and rear along with the chain as the parts wear down together.

A kink in a chain could result in the chain hopping off at speed and snapping...

I think Im gonna try the kerosene in a spray bottle and teflon lube trick.

Oly ZX · 07-02-2009, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by gilberjj

What are you all using to clean your chain. I have 11.2k miles on my bike in about a year and a half, and my chain has one link that has seized. It goes around the sprockets, but then is cok-eyed and I think it's making the chain bounce up and down when I'm riding (I have checked and rechecked, and it is adjusted for slack properly). I have spent multiple times cleaning it with wd40 for 30+ minutes at a time, but I can't get it right. I neglected my chain for about 3k miles once and the chain hasn't really recovered I don't think.
I simply don't believe that wd40 is bad for the o-rings because oly zx12 guy got something like 40k miles out of a chain with ONLY wd40 if I remember correctly.
What is the secret for chain cleaning and lubing perfection?

That would be me, true story, still using WD-40 to this day. Keeps my chains clean and singin for many miles

gilberjj · 07-02-2009, 07:21 PM

Thanks for chiming in oly zx. I thought I wasn't crazy.....

Oly ZX · 07-03-2009, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by gilberjj

Thanks for chiming in oly zx. I thought I wasn't crazy.....

No problem

You're not crazy!! WD FTMFW IMHO

ChrisMag · 07-03-2009, 11:56 AM

I've used WD-40 for years w/o issue. I replaced the Tuono's chain at 18k, but only because I had someone give me a 520 kit, and the original chain had a bit of rust when I got it.

I'm coming to believe that the real problem is either

1) Poor maintenance scheduling (people forget to lube/adjust for thousands of miles).

2) People only re-lube and never clean (like I did with my first sportbike 13 years ago). I think this is why WD-40 works. If you soak the chain and wipe w/ shop rags each time (every 500 miles or so), the chain never sees build up which would prevent parts of the chain from receiving lube.

tophyr · 07-03-2009, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by mikefsu

What is in WD40??

Stuff that chain cleaner makers think are bad

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Gee willikers.. I wonder why

Originally Posted by ScooterRash

REPLACE THE CHAIN!

Keep in mind WD40 is a penetrating oil. Although it does break the grease and grime down so the chain becomes sparkling clean, it also will penetrate around the orings and dilute the grease which is packed between the pin and bushing. If it works for you, keep using it but I wouldn't recommend it.

If you want to keep your chain in good working order, use kerosene, diesel or a chain cleaner such as Motorex 611 chain clean (Which I use and it works great)

Kerosene is also a penetrating oil. "Penetrating oils" are nothing more than very low-viscosity lubricants. Most of the professional "penetrating oil" products also contain powerful solvents, which is where the danger to the O-rings would come from. WD40 does not contain those.

Ditto on the replace the chain, however. Once a link has siezed, it's bunk. 11k miles isn't a bad number to get out of a chain, either.


06-30-2009, 10:47 PM	#1
gilberjj Zone Head Joined: Feb 2008 From: Olympia, WA I Ride: Kawasaki zx14	Problems with chain What are you all using to clean your chain. I have 11.2k miles on my bike in about a year and a half, and my chain has one link that has seized. It goes around the sprockets, but then is cok-eyed and I think it's making the chain bounce up and down when I'm riding (I have checked and rechecked, and it is adjusted for slack properly). I have spent multiple times cleaning it with wd40 for 30+ minutes at a time, but I can't get it right. I neglected my chain for about 3k miles once and the chain hasn't really recovered I don't think. I simply don't believe that wd40 is bad for the o-rings because oly zx12 guy got something like 40k miles out of a chain with ONLY wd40 if I remember correctly. What is the secret for chain cleaning and lubing perfection? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


06-30-2009, 11:12 PM	#3
justin86 Pit Crew Joined: Aug 2007 From: medford, OR. I Ride: 06 R1/ 06 CRF450R and single moms!	WD-40, WD-40, more WD-40 and a brush to get the grime off. Then finish off with chain lube. At 11K of hard riding under the right conditions will kill a chain. Lots of water(wash your bike a lot?) or dust/grime. If WD-40 and chain lube won't get rid of the kink in a few rides it or make it better then it is there to stay... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


06-30-2009, 11:22 PM	#4
Jet City Racer Streetfighter Joined: Jan 2009 From: Federal Way I Ride: 2 wheeled ones	Once a link has seized it is almost impossible to "unkink" it. It probably has some galling on the metal itself and your only real choice is to replace the chain. Sorry __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 05:55 AM	#5
dragracer1951 MotoGP Champion Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 03 Are See fiddy one, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	Two ways to check if the chain is beyond it's service life. Pull the chain off the rear of the sprocket. Can you lift it much? How much side play is there on the top run. Chains wear by developing slop in the pins and bushings. O ring chains are lubed at the factory. You aren't going to get any more lube in past the orings. All you can do is clean it with WD40. I use a Pro Oiler on my 1040 FZR and get 25k to 30k out of a chain. If you have a seized link it's time for a new chain. The key to long chain life is not lubing it, but keeping it clean. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 06:03 AM	#6
shelbyguy Picture Whore Joined: Apr 2008 From: TACOMA / 253 I Ride: my bikes...and all my friends bikes lately	theres alot of common sence goin on here. all of you halt this mess and get back to ribbing.. that is all __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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07-01-2009, 06:06 AM	#7
dragracer1951 MotoGP Champion Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 03 Are See fiddy one, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	Stfu __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 06:17 AM	#9
james1300 Track School Dazed Joined: Oct 2005 From: CENTRAL I Ride: When I can	Not one chain maker recommends WD40 as a cleaner. Kerosene has been and can be used as a cleaner. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 06:25 AM	#10
dragracer1951 MotoGP Champion Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 03 Are See fiddy one, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	Whaddya think is in WD40?????????????? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 06:35 AM	#12
busatim WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Oct 2006 From: north bend,wa I Ride: 09 ninja 500, 08 crf230l,ZX-14	Water Displacement 40's main ingredient is fish oil. It's great for taking the stickers off your bike. I also used it on a yellowjackets nest yesterday, works great. I used it without a match. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by busatim; 07-01-2009 at 06:38 AM..


07-01-2009, 07:00 AM	#13
MMAGuy1970 Zone Head Joined: Apr 2007 From: Out of your mind I Ride: like it’s gonna rain tomorrow.	WD40 for the past 2+ years with no issues. 30 mins. of cleaning with WD.... that just might be your problem. I go around the chain twice and then wipe it down with a rag until it's close to spotless... we're talking 10 mins. tops. Once I'm done with that I apply the chain wax and it's all good. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 09:03 AM	#15
ScooterRash Superbiker Joined: Jul 2006 From: Thurston County, WA. I Ride: GSXR1000	REPLACE THE CHAIN! Keep in mind WD40 is a penetrating oil. Although it does break the grease and grime down so the chain becomes sparkling clean, it also will penetrate around the orings and dilute the grease which is packed between the pin and bushing. If it works for you, keep using it but I wouldn't recommend it. If you want to keep your chain in good working order, use kerosene, diesel or a chain cleaner such as Motorex 611 chain clean (Which I use and it works great) __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 09:43 AM	#17
dragracer1951 MotoGP Champion Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 03 Are See fiddy one, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	Buy a grunge brush... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 09:50 AM	#18
MaytagRepairman Endorsed Joined: Jan 2009 From: Kingston, WA I Ride: 2007 Honda Rebel (for sale), 2005 Suzuki C50	A timely thread for myself. I just hit 3k on the odometer and nagged the wife to dig out the manual to see if it needed anything. I cringed when I saw the chain needed cleaned/lubed/whatever every 500 miles and she had no idea if the chain had ever been lubed since she bought the bike (over a year before I met her). I was just going to just spray it down with Bel-Ray chain lube but I see I'm going to have to work on it with a brush and cleaner product first. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 10:00 AM	#19
denydog Training Wheels Joined: Oct 2007 From: Snohomish I Ride: '82 Suzuki GS1100E & '95 GS500E - '07 BMW K1200R Sport	I clean the chain on the Suzuki every 1,500 miles or so with kerosene, followed with PJ1 Blue label chain lube. This is my short range bike, so it doesn't have to be done very often. I used to not clean so often, but I don't ride this one as much anymore, so I can afford to keep it clean. Picture from a year ago, just after cleaning, but coincidently, I cleaned the chain again yesterday. Shaft drive on the long range beemer __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by denydog; 07-01-2009 at 10:10 AM..


07-01-2009, 11:18 AM	#22
bcj Zone Head Joined: Jan 2008 From: teh rock	You don't need to take the chain off and put it in a bucket with kerosene. Put some kerosene in a $1.50 spray bottle and use it just like you would with the expensive spritz juice. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 11:23 AM	#24
wingding WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Feb 2008 From: Seattle, Wa I Ride: 2008 Hayabusa	Riding on a dry chain is like dry f#cking. You might be enjoying yourself but neither her or your bike will appreciate it! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 11:32 AM	#25
Degenerate Streetfighter Joined: Aug 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Busa.	Well if the kink is your main issue, I would not take any chances Just replace it. To take care of a chain, I use a rag and just moist it with goof off then I rub the outsides of the chain, not letting the towel touch the inner roller. You can do this while the bike is on the stand and roll the wheel, it takes about 5 mins to clean the outside links. Make sure you DO NOT put too much goof off on the towel so it drips on the O-rings, only apply just enough to let it do its job. Then you need to take the bike out and ride it for a bit to warm up the chain. come back home and put it on the stand and lube it with real chain lube, I use http://www.belray.com/media.fsp?id=1297. You do not need to hit the outside of the chain when lubing, the only parts you need to hit is the roller bearing and the O-ring cavity top and bottom of the chain. Remember The chain is under a extreme amount of stress and to cheap out on lube could cost you plastic, rims, chain covers, tiers or even a bike. So a 10.00$ can of lube is cheap insurance. Besides a can of proper lube will last along time. 300-600mi Lube chain This depends on how hard you are riding and how dry/dirty the lube currently on there is looking. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Degenerate; 07-01-2009 at 11:48 AM..


07-01-2009, 12:00 PM	#26
Transported MotoGP Champion Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland, Oregon Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: '99 R1, '80 Suz GS450S	I have had a problem with a kinked link many times. I have always found the culprit to be the master link. I have replaced the master link when it begins to kink and the chain runs fine until the master kinks again. Perhaps they aren't sealed as well as the other links. Perhaps the clip or the press (depending on type) does not provide the same contact pressure. I've also noticed that masters will tend to stretch more than the other links, making them no longer seat between the sprocket teeth. This will make it jump around. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 01:03 PM	#28
Jalharad Streetfighter Joined: Jul 2007 From: Bellingham, Washington I Ride: Two-up and slower then a snail	i use a grunge brush and kerosene every 2-3k miles, just the brush every 300-500. I then use silkolene white graphite lube. I don't use wax because it tends to fling. Manufacturers do not recommend using wd-40 because it degrades the rubber on the O/X rings. I can also cause seized rings because it will displace the ring. The way I would get the seized ring out is to cut the link out. You can pick up another master link (clip or rivet style) to put the chain back together again. Make sure to readjust the chain tension. You can only really do this after the chain has streched out quite a bit. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 01:39 PM	#30
Eugene WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Oct 2008 From: Portland, OR (185th) I Ride: '98 Katana 600	meh, new chain and sprockets, not that expensive.... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 04:08 PM	#31
GPaddict Training Wheels Joined: May 2008 From: Bellevue I Ride: 07' Yamaha	Dude go to any motorcycle store ask for SPRAY chain cleaner http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...IM7elQfOk9HaDQ its like $12 youll spend 15min and your chain and sprocket will look like new, dont forget chain lube!!!!!!!!!!!! Good stuff __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 04:07 PM	#32
gilberjj Zone Head Joined: Feb 2008 From: Olympia, WA I Ride: Kawasaki zx14	thanks everyone for the responses. I'm going to do the kerosene in a spray bottle. I'll let you all know how it works. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 05:40 PM	#34
Nicegy525 Zone Head Joined: Feb 2008 From: Portland, Oregon I Ride: '07 GSXR-750	lots of good advice here. If you cant get the kink completely out your SAFEST move is to replace it. Unfortunately with 11K on the sprockets, its also safest to replace front and rear along with the chain as the parts wear down together. A kink in a chain could result in the chain hopping off at speed and snapping... I think Im gonna try the kerosene in a spray bottle and teflon lube trick. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 07:21 PM	#36
gilberjj Zone Head Joined: Feb 2008 From: Olympia, WA I Ride: Kawasaki zx14	Thanks for chiming in oly zx. I thought I wasn't crazy..... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-03-2009, 11:56 AM	#38
ChrisMag Endorsed Joined: Apr 2009 From: Portland, OR I Ride: 2007 KTM Super Duke	I've used WD-40 for years w/o issue. I replaced the Tuono's chain at 18k, but only because I had someone give me a 520 kit, and the original chain had a bit of rust when I got it. I'm coming to believe that the real problem is either 1) Poor maintenance scheduling (people forget to lube/adjust for thousands of miles). 2) People only re-lube and never clean (like I did with my first sportbike 13 years ago). I think this is why WD-40 works. If you soak the chain and wipe w/ shop rags each time (every 500 miles or so), the chain never sees build up which would prevent parts of the chain from receiving lube. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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