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saferide · 07-01-2009, 04:28 PM

i'm new to the forum, but i was forwarded this press release today and thought some of you guys might want to read it.. it kinda hits close to home for me, so I hope this cause doesn't get ignored.. i know a lot of you are more into the sportbikes, but it might be relevant nonetheless.. anyway, here it is:

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Harley Davidson, Honda and Goodyear Dunlop should investigate a number of motorcycle crashes involving sudden deflation of Goodyear Dunlop D402 and other tires, attorney Billy Edwards said today. The tires, installed as original equipment or sold as replacement tires on touring and cruiser motorcycles, may need to be recalled, he added.

Five more instances of sudden deflation of the Dunlop D402 tire have been reported to the safety website, www.UnsafeMotorCycles.com, he noted. All four incidents involved Harley Davidson Ultra Classic touring motorcycles and occurred in the last 13 months, he said. The latest incident occurred in Marino Valley, CA, he said. Others have been reported in Massachusetts, Texas and Georgia, he said.

“We believe this is the tip of the iceberg. The defect in these tires appears to be worsening as the tires age, leading to more instances of sudden deflation and serious injury,” Edwards said.

These reports join at least two lawsuits filed recently involving allegations of Goodyear Dunlop tire deflations, one in Butte, MT, the other in Atlanta, GA.

According to the allegations described in a lawsuit in the Butte, MT crash, a defect in the bead seat area of the tire allowed excessive leakage of air leading to a “sudden and catastrophic deflation” of the tire. Stephen Gageby, Butte, MT, was killed, and his wife was seriously injured in the resulting crash, the suit says.

The Georgia suit was filed in U.S. District Court, Middle District of Georgia, Athens Division,(Case no. 3:09-cv-74 ), and involved the death of a passenger Patricia Morris. Among other things, the suit alleges Harley Davidson knew it was “false and misleading” to represent that its 2007 FLHTCU and its tires were safe for carrying up to two riders weighing more than 250 pounds each, plus their cargo and motorcycle accessories.

The Montana suit (Cause No. DV-08- 480) was filed Nov. 10, 2008, in the Second Judicial District Court, Butte Silver-Bow County. Attorneys representing the Gageby estate are Michael McKeon, with the law firm of McKeon and Anderson, PC, Butte, MT, and Billy Edwards, with the Edwards Law Firm, Corpus Christi, TX.

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Both HD and Goodyear Dunlop have denied they have received any complaints or reports from consumers about defect issues with these tires.

I'm wondering if anybody here (or knows anyone who) has encountered this issue before.

Thanks for your time!

Bofire · 07-01-2009, 06:31 PM

I read this, it like a "407e" or something is bad and a "408 f" or somethign is OK.
Carl

Doctor Jelly · 07-01-2009, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by saferide

two riders weighing more than 250 pounds each, plus their cargo and motorcycle accessories.

Hmmm...

ddonacazx12 · 07-01-2009, 07:04 PM

...and they had last checked their tire pressure how many MONTHS before???

It's a cruuuuzzzzer tire anyhow.

One more reason to run better sticky buns.

De-railer · 07-01-2009, 07:07 PM

If my wife weighed 250+ lbs I would make her run next to the bike.

shelbyguy · 07-01-2009, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by ddonacazx12

...and they had last checked their tire pressure how many MONTHS before???

It's a cruuuuzzzzer tire anyhow.

One more reason to run better sticky buns.

I LOVE STICKY BUNS...

saferide · 07-02-2009, 01:46 PM

All funny responses, but come on, this isn't 4chan. We're talking about real people. And, anyway, the issue isn't just related to the one couple. I won't drill the cause any further, but I did want to send the feelers out and just see if anyone else has been affected by this.

The press release is here:
http://www.newsguide.us/automotive/m...-Member-Death/

Thanks for listening, guys.

Robusto · 07-02-2009, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by shelbyguy

I LOVE STICKY BUNS...

Amen to that!!!

ddonacazx12 · 07-02-2009, 06:57 PM

...properly glazed, with nuts on top!!!

But seriously, it is probably a manufacturing defect (strike that, "weak point" may be a better choice of words).

Hard to say how many of them are yearsssss old and still on a bike. (read: not good)

Plus people's habbit of not doing proper maint (air pressure check) just makes it that much more likely to fail.

If I had them on my cruiser, I would r2 them asap, just to be safe.

D

mjn · 07-02-2009, 07:30 PM

I smell something....

Joined up yesterday from Texas just to post this up? The story is sad, no doubt..but nothing I read has any concrete evidence of wrongdoing on Dunlop or HD's part...

Is it possible someone is fishing for clients?? Smells like a ambulance chasin' attorney to me.... guess we'll see huh?

Sticks n Stones · 07-02-2009, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by mjn

I smell something....

Joined up yesterday from Texas just to post this up? The story is sad, no doubt..but nothing I read has any concrete evidence of wrongdoing on Dunlop or HD's part...

Is it possible someone is fishing for clients?? Smells like a ambulance chasin' attorney to me.... guess we'll see huh?

Yeah I smelled that the minute I saw "newbie" and the title of the thread. Still, if he's looking for evidence that this is a widespread problem then help the guy out. How many people died in those Ford Exploders (Explorers I mean) with the Goodrich tires blowing out before the LAWYERS tied the strings together and forced Ford and Goodrich to recall them??? Without that pressure from the class action lawyers, they would have kept fighting each individual court case and it never would have been out'ed.

Lawyers might be leaches, but like steroid using baseball All-Stars, when they are on YOUR team you still cheer for them!

PeteN95 · 07-03-2009, 08:24 AM

I think those were Firestone tires on the Fords and part of the problem was Ford recommending a very low pressure, 26psi? Not good on a heavy SUV.

But flat tires are a part of riding and shouldn't cause you to crash if you don't do anything stupid.

FastCat · 07-03-2009, 09:40 AM

I work at a small, independent motorcycle service shop, and I haven't seen any "defective" tires from Dunlop or any other mfg. ...although on-average we probably only mount two or three sets of tires/day in the busy season so my experience in this is probably not statistically-significant.

saferide · 07-06-2009, 04:16 PM

It appears that a lawsuit is pending, and the reports keep coming in. So it looks like it's more than "spin" and the defect might finally be officially acknowledged.

This is the latest press release:

Touring Motorcycle Tire Deflations Require Investigation

Drive safe out there!

bcj · 07-07-2009, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Sticks n Stones

How many people died in those Ford Exploders (Explorers I mean) with the Goodrich tires blowing out before the LAWYERS tied the strings together and forced Ford and Goodrich to recall them???

I was under the impression that it was Firestone.

corona3217 · 07-16-2009, 01:39 PM

Checked the tires on my 08 Ultra. Dunlop 402F. Wondered if this is same or different series tire? Anybody?


07-01-2009, 04:28 PM	#1
saferide Newbie Joined: Jul 2009 From: Austin, TX	Defective Tires -- Possible Recall i'm new to the forum, but i was forwarded this press release today and thought some of you guys might want to read it.. it kinda hits close to home for me, so I hope this cause doesn't get ignored.. i know a lot of you are more into the sportbikes, but it might be relevant nonetheless.. anyway, here it is: --- Harley Davidson, Honda and Goodyear Dunlop should investigate a number of motorcycle crashes involving sudden deflation of Goodyear Dunlop D402 and other tires, attorney Billy Edwards said today. The tires, installed as original equipment or sold as replacement tires on touring and cruiser motorcycles, may need to be recalled, he added. Five more instances of sudden deflation of the Dunlop D402 tire have been reported to the safety website, www.UnsafeMotorCycles.com, he noted. All four incidents involved Harley Davidson Ultra Classic touring motorcycles and occurred in the last 13 months, he said. The latest incident occurred in Marino Valley, CA, he said. Others have been reported in Massachusetts, Texas and Georgia, he said. “We believe this is the tip of the iceberg. The defect in these tires appears to be worsening as the tires age, leading to more instances of sudden deflation and serious injury,” Edwards said. These reports join at least two lawsuits filed recently involving allegations of Goodyear Dunlop tire deflations, one in Butte, MT, the other in Atlanta, GA. According to the allegations described in a lawsuit in the Butte, MT crash, a defect in the bead seat area of the tire allowed excessive leakage of air leading to a “sudden and catastrophic deflation” of the tire. Stephen Gageby, Butte, MT, was killed, and his wife was seriously injured in the resulting crash, the suit says. The Georgia suit was filed in U.S. District Court, Middle District of Georgia, Athens Division,(Case no. 3:09-cv-74 ), and involved the death of a passenger Patricia Morris. Among other things, the suit alleges Harley Davidson knew it was “false and misleading” to represent that its 2007 FLHTCU and its tires were safe for carrying up to two riders weighing more than 250 pounds each, plus their cargo and motorcycle accessories. The Montana suit (Cause No. DV-08- 480) was filed Nov. 10, 2008, in the Second Judicial District Court, Butte Silver-Bow County. Attorneys representing the Gageby estate are Michael McKeon, with the law firm of McKeon and Anderson, PC, Butte, MT, and Billy Edwards, with the Edwards Law Firm, Corpus Christi, TX. --- Both HD and Goodyear Dunlop have denied they have received any complaints or reports from consumers about defect issues with these tires. I'm wondering if anybody here (or knows anyone who) has encountered this issue before. Thanks for your time! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 06:31 PM	#2
Bofire Endorsed Joined: May 2009 From: Yelm, WA I Ride: Harley	I read this, it like a "407e" or something is bad and a "408 f" or somethign is OK. Carl __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 07:04 PM	#4
ddonacazx12 MotoGP Contender Joined: Jul 2007 From: Camas, Washington I Ride: 05 zx12r	...and they had last checked their tire pressure how many MONTHS before??? It's a cruuuuzzzzer tire anyhow. One more reason to run better sticky buns. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 07:07 PM	#5
De-railer Superbiker Joined: Sep 2006 From: Spokane, WA I Ride: a topless R1	If my wife weighed 250+ lbs I would make her run next to the bike. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 01:46 PM	#7
saferide Newbie Joined: Jul 2009 From: Austin, TX	All funny responses, but come on, this isn't 4chan. We're talking about real people. And, anyway, the issue isn't just related to the one couple. I won't drill the cause any further, but I did want to send the feelers out and just see if anyone else has been affected by this. The press release is here: http://www.newsguide.us/automotive/m...-Member-Death/ Thanks for listening, guys. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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07-02-2009, 06:57 PM	#9
ddonacazx12 MotoGP Contender Joined: Jul 2007 From: Camas, Washington I Ride: 05 zx12r	...properly glazed, with nuts on top!!! But seriously, it is probably a manufacturing defect (strike that, "weak point" may be a better choice of words). Hard to say how many of them are yearsssss old and still on a bike. (read: not good) Plus people's habbit of not doing proper maint (air pressure check) just makes it that much more likely to fail. If I had them on my cruiser, I would r2 them asap, just to be safe. D __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by ddonacazx12; 07-02-2009 at 07:52 PM..


07-02-2009, 07:30 PM	#10
mjn Moderator Joined: Jul 2005 From: Tri-Cities Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: In search of the next 35mph corner......	I smell something.... Joined up yesterday from Texas just to post this up? The story is sad, no doubt..but nothing I read has any concrete evidence of wrongdoing on Dunlop or HD's part... Is it possible someone is fishing for clients?? Smells like a ambulance chasin' attorney to me.... guess we'll see huh? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-03-2009, 08:24 AM	#12
PeteN95 Superbiker Joined: Jan 2008 From: Muk, WA I Ride: Suzuki SV1000N, XR650R, CRF450R	I think those were Firestone tires on the Fords and part of the problem was Ford recommending a very low pressure, 26psi? Not good on a heavy SUV. But flat tires are a part of riding and shouldn't cause you to crash if you don't do anything stupid. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-03-2009, 09:40 AM	#13
FastCat Superbiker Joined: Dec 2005 From: Tacoma, WA I Ride: GSXR-1100 & a B12	I work at a small, independent motorcycle service shop, and I haven't seen any "defective" tires from Dunlop or any other mfg. ...although on-average we probably only mount two or three sets of tires/day in the busy season so my experience in this is probably not statistically-significant. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-06-2009, 04:16 PM	#14
saferide Newbie Joined: Jul 2009 From: Austin, TX	It appears that a lawsuit is pending, and the reports keep coming in. So it looks like it's more than "spin" and the defect might finally be officially acknowledged. This is the latest press release: Touring Motorcycle Tire Deflations Require Investigation Drive safe out there! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-16-2009, 01:39 PM	#16
corona3217 Newbie Joined: Jul 2009 From: Wichita Falls, TX	Already crashed once, don't want no more! Checked the tires on my 08 Ultra. Dunlop 402F. Wondered if this is same or different series tire? Anybody? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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