InvisibleMan

OTHER:

The first thing I'd do is yank the helmet off that noob, smack em right upside their thinkpiece and give them the news that there is NOTHING on earth cooler than a huuuuge smokey burnout. Then, I'd give them the step by step instructions: STICK ENGINE IN 3RD GEAR, GRAB FRONT BRAKE, BOUNCE ENGINE OFF REV LIMITER AND DUMP THE MUUUTHAFUUUUKIN CLUTCH!!! C'mon! Make yer momma proud!!!

I'd get the satisfaction of knowing that I have converted at least one of the great unwashed to the dark side of ozone layer depletion. Ooooh yeeeeeaaaaahhhh... WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

I'm kind of a dick like that though..

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MikieTaps

qft.

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ZXWUT?

haha! you made a stupid thread, way to go a-hole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Pavin

the kid who traded for my gixxer said he rode dirt bikes too, then asked me how to shift a bike, what the kill switch was, how to start it, and how the levers work

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Thezach

ouchhhhhh

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RedVFR

Snap

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Stringcheese

I get the impression you two don't appreciate each others' personality.

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Red Point

Im a new rider w/ only 18k miles under my belt. Started on a gixxer also, however I never rode a dirtbike or any bike other than a bmx bike.

Yeah I want to wheelie, do small stunts etc.. However my finacial situation right now doesn't allow me to take the chances of fucking my bike up.

However, if the said person has the gear and is flush with cash. Then why not help??

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Robusto

nice!

and since I can't and never intend to do 'stunts' I would be a horrible teacher.

I would help a newb ride the roads, if they were willing to use some common sense and restraint.

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pwb211

Oh and I like the fact you choose to bring this shit up on the internet or when someone isn't there. Man up and tell them when you meet him. And don't talk shit behind peoples back and/or start threads about an individual you don't know. And if you and Amy want to do what bitches do I and about me when I leave do me a favor and say it to my face.

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fastfoodfred

You guys are a bunch of full on, cock gobbling fags.

I voted other. I can teach him what I know about wheelies and worn him about the dangers. The rest he's on his own.

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pwb211

Fred I want you teach me to go fast.

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the chemist

I'm guessing you wouldn't wear him. So I fixed your sentence for you.

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pwb211

Just for the record I PWB211 feel Andrew the eliteist is a douch

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Avboden

fixt4u

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InvisibleMan

Ummmmm, are you trying to say that you donna wanna me to teach you how to disintegrate your back tire too??

You make me all sad in my nut sack?

B, bb, bbbut, smokey burnouts are the coolest things EVAH!!!!

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cascaderider

Umm, yeah.

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fastfoodfred

For the record, I have never seen Andrew use a douche.

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pwb211

Its not pretty

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krautBurner

your family is gonna miss you

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Elreq

i would have to ask what the parameters are. A: do i know the guy. B: is he wanting to stunt C: is he wanting to do a wheely down mainstreet to get some.
D: were is the learning location

if all the guy wants to do is stunt and goes to a private location and farts off all day then yeah have at it teach the guy all he wants. if the goal is to get nookie by wheeling down the freeway and indangering his and everyone elses life then no.

thats me though. i like to wheely

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matt007

Sweet grammar nazi time
Oh check out the sweet wikipedia article on oxford commas

The serial comma (also known as the Oxford comma and the Harvard comma) is the comma used immediately before a grammatical conjunction (usually and, or, and sometimes nor) preceding the final item in a list of three or more items. For example, this three-country list can be punctuated as either “Portugal, Spain, and France” (with the serial comma) or as “Portugal, Spain and France” (without the serial comma).[1][2][3]

Opinions vary among writers and editors on the usage or avoidance of the serial comma. There are differences in usage and proscription between American English and British English, but no particular trend has been identified (see below).[4] In many languages (e.g. French,[5] German,[6] Italian,[7] Polish,[8] Spanish[9]) the serial comma is not the norm; it may even go against punctuation rules – but it may be recommended in some cases to avoid ambiguity or to aid prosody when reading.
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* 1 Arguments for and against
* 2 Ambiguity
o 2.1 Resolving ambiguity
o 2.2 Creating ambiguity
o 2.3 Unresolved ambiguity
* 3 Usage
o 3.1 Style guides supporting mandatory use
o 3.2 Style guides opposing mandatory use
* 4 References
* 5 External links

[edit] Arguments for and against

Arguments typically advanced for use of the serial comma by default include:

1. that it better matches the spoken cadence of sentences;[10]
2. that it sometimes reduces ambiguity;[11]
3. that its use matches practice with other means of separating items in a list (example: when semicolons are used to separate items, a semicolon is consistently included before the last item, even when and or or is present).[12]

Arguments typically advanced for avoidance of the serial comma by default include:

1. that use of the comma is against conventional practice;[13]
2. that use of the comma may introduce ambiguity (see examples below);
3. that the comma is redundant, since the and or the or serves by itself to mark the logical separation between the final two items.[14]

Many sources, however, are against both automatic use and automatic avoidance of the serial comma, making recommendations in a more nuanced way (see Usage and subsequent sections).

[edit] Ambiguity

[edit] Resolving ambiguity

Use of the serial comma can sometimes remove ambiguity. Consider the possibly apocryphal book dedication quoted by Teresa Nielsen Hayden:[15]

To my parents, Ayn Rand and God.

There is ambiguity about the writer's parentage, because Ayn Rand and God can be read as in apposition to my parents, leading the reader to believe that the writer refers to Ayn Rand and God as his or her parents. A comma before and removes the ambiguity:

To my parents, Ayn Rand, and God.

Consider also:

My favourite types of sandwiches are pastrami, ham, cream cheese and peanut butter and jelly.

According to the two most plausible interpretations of this sentence, four kinds of sandwich are listed. But it is uncertain which are the third and fourth kinds. Adding a serial comma removes this ambiguity. With a comma after peanut butter, the kinds of sandwich are these:

1. pastrami
2. ham
3. cream cheese and peanut butter
4. jelly

With a comma after cream cheese, the kinds of sandwich are these:

1. pastrami
2. ham
3. cream cheese
4. peanut butter and jelly

Some writers who normally avoid the serial comma may use one in these circumstances, though sometimes re-ordering the elements of such a list can help as well.

[edit] Creating ambiguity

Use of the serial comma can introduce ambiguity. An example would be a book dedication reading:

To my mother, Ayn Rand, and God

The serial comma after Ayn Rand creates ambiguity about the writer's mother, because the proper-noun phrase Ayn Rand could be read as in apposition to my mother (with the commas fulfilling a parenthetical function), resulting in the interpretation "To my mother (who is Ayn Rand) and to God". Without a serial comma this would read:

To my mother, Ayn Rand and God

This is unambiguous, as background knowledge prevents the misinterpretation "To my mother, who is both Ayn Rand and God."

Consider also:

They went to Oregon with Betty, a maid and a Catholic priest.

Following the convention that does not use the serial comma, this is clearly a list of three people (two women and a man), whereas following the serial comma convention –

They went to Oregon with Betty, a maid, and a Catholic priest –

may refer either to one woman (Betty, who is a maid) or to two women (Betty and a maid), and a man.

[edit] Unresolved ambiguity

The Times once published an unintentionally humorous description of a Peter Ustinov documentary, noting that "highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector."[16] This is ambiguous as it stands, and would still be ambiguous if a serial comma were added, as Mandela could then be mistaken for a demigod.

Or consider

They went to Oregon with Betty, a maid, and a cook.

This is ambiguous because it is unclear whether "a maid" is a description of Betty in a list of two people, or the second in a list of three people. On the other hand, removing the final comma –

They went to Oregon with Betty, a maid and a cook –

leaves the possibility that Betty is both a maid and a cook (with "a maid and a cook" read as a unit, in apposition to Betty). So in this case neither the serial-comma style nor the no-serial-comma style resolves the ambiguity. A writer who intends a list of three distinct people (Betty, maid, cook) may create an ambiguous sentence, regardless of whether the serial comma is adopted. Furthermore, if the reader is unaware of which convention is being used, both versions are always ambiguous.

These forms (among others) would remove the ambiguity:

* They went to Oregon with Betty – a maid and a cook. (One person)
* They went to Oregon with Betty, who is a maid and a cook. (One person)
* They went to Oregon with Betty (a maid) and a cook. (Two people)
* They went to Oregon with Betty – a maid – and a cook. (Two people)
* They went to Oregon with the maid Betty and a cook. (Two people)
* They went to Oregon with Betty and a maid and a cook. (Three people)
* They went to Oregon with Betty, one maid and a cook. (Three people)
* They went to Oregon with a maid, a cook, and Betty. (Three people)
* They went to Oregon with a maid, a cook and Betty. (Three people)

In general:

* The list x, y and z is unambiguous if y and z cannot be read as in apposition to x.
* Equally, x, y, and z is unambiguous if y cannot be read as in apposition to x.
* If neither y nor y[,] and z can be read as in apposition to x, then both forms of the list are unambiguous; but if y or y[,] and z can be read as in apposition to x, then both forms of the list are ambiguous.
* x and y and z is unambiguous.

[edit] Usage

The Chicago Manual of Style, Strunk and White's Elements of Style, most authorities on American English and Canadian English, and some authorities on British English (for example, Oxford University Press and Fowler's Modern English Usage) recommend the use of the serial comma. Newspaper style guides (such as those published by The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, the Associated Press, The Times newspaper in the United Kingdom, and the Canadian Press) recommend against it, possibly for economy of space.[17]

The differences of opinion on the use of the serial comma are well characterized by Lynne Truss in her popularized style guide Eats, Shoots & Leaves: "There are people who embrace the Oxford comma, and people who don't, and I'll just say this, never get between these people when drink has been taken."[18]

In Australia, Canada, South Africa and the United Kingdom, the serial comma tends not to be used in non-academic publications unless its absence produces ambiguity. Many academic publishers (for example, Cambridge University Press) also avoid it, though some academic publishing houses in these countries do use it. The Australian Government Publishing Service's Style Manual for Authors, Editors and Printers (6th edition, 2002), as can be inferred from its title, recommends against it, except "to ensure clarity" (p. 102).

[edit] Style guides supporting mandatory use

The following style guides support mandatory use of the serial comma:

The United States Government Printing Office's Style Manual

After each member within a series of three or more words, phrases, letters, or figures used with and, or, or nor.

* "red, white, and blue"
* "horses, mules, and cattle; but horses and mules and cattle"
* "by the bolt, by the yard, or in remnants"
* "a, b, and c"
* "neither snow, rain, nor sleet"
* "2 days, 3 hours, and 4 minutes (series); but 70 years 11 months 6 days (age)"

Wilson Follett's Modern American Usage: A Guide (Random House, 1981), pp. 397-401

What, then, are the arguments for omitting the last comma? Only one is cogent – the saving of space. In the narrow width of a newspaper column this saving counts for more than elsewhere, which is why the omission is so nearly universal in journalism. But here or anywhere one must question whether the advantage outweighs the confusion caused by the omission ...

The recommendation here is that [writers] use the comma between all members of a series, including the last two, on the common-sense ground that to do so will preclude ambiguities and annoyances at a negligible cost."[19]

Chicago Manual of Style, 15th edition (University of Chicago Press, 2003), paragraph 6.19

When a conjunction joins the last two elements in a series, a comma ... should appear before the conjunction. Chicago strongly recommends this widely practiced usage....

* "She took a photograph of her parents, the president, and the vice president."
* "I want no ifs, ands, or buts."
* "The meal consisted of soup, salad, and macaroni and cheese."

Texas Law Review Manual on Usage, Style & Editing (10th ed. 2005), R. 1.16

The American Medical Association Manual of Style, 9th edition (199 Chapter 6.2.1

Use a comma before the conjunction that precedes the last term in a series.

* Outcomes result from a complex interaction of medical care and genetic, environmental, and behavioral factors.
* The physician, the nurse, and the family could not convince the patient to take his medication daily.
* While in the hospital, these patients required neuroleptics, maximal observation, and seclusion.

The Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association, 5th edition (2001) Chapter 3.02

Use a comma between elements (including before and and or) in a series of three or more items.

* the height, width, or depth
* in a study by Stacy, Newcomb, and Bentler

The Elements of Style (Strunk and White, 4th edition 1999)

In a series of three or more terms with a single conjunction, use a comma after each term except the last.

The Oxford Style Manual, 2002, Chapter 5, section 5.3 Comma

"For a century it has been part of OUP style to retain or impose this last serial (or series) comma consistently, [...] but it is commonly used by many other publishers both here and abroad, and forms a routine part of style in US and Canadian English. [...] Given that the final comma is sometimes necessary to prevent ambiguity, it is logical to impose it uniformly, so as to obviate the need to pause and gauge each enumeration on the likelihood of its being misunderstood – especially since that likelihood is often more obvious to the reader than the writer." (pp. 121–122)

The CSE Manual for Authors, Editors, and Publishers (Council of Science Editors, 7th edition, 2006), Section 5.3.3.1

To separate the elements (words, phrases, clauses) of a simple series of more than 2 elements, including a comma before the closing “and” or “or” (the so-called serial comma). Routine use of the serial comma helps to prevent ambiguity.

Garner's American Usage (Oxford, 2003)

Whether to include the serial comma has sparked many arguments. But it's easily answered in favor of inclusion because omitting the final comma may cause ambiguities, whereas including it never will.

Most college writing handbooks in the U.S. also advocate use of the serial comma.[20]

[edit] Style guides opposing mandatory use

The Times style manual

Avoid the so-called Oxford comma; say "he ate bread, butter and jam" rather than "he ate bread, butter, and jam".[21]

The New York Times stylebook

In general, do not use a comma before and or or in a series: The snow stalled cars, buses and trains.[22]

The Economist style manual

Do not put a comma before and at the end of a sequence of items unless one of the items includes another and. Thus 'The doctor suggested an aspirin, half a grapefruit and a cup of broth. But he ordered scrambled eggs, whisky and soda, and a selection from the trolley.' [23]

The AP Stylebook

Use commas to separate elements in a series, but do not put a comma before the conjunction in a simple series: The flag is red, white and blue. He would nominate Tom, Dick or Harry.

Put a comma before the concluding conjunction in a series, however, if an integral element of the series requires a conjunction: I had orange juice, toast, and ham and eggs for breakfast.

Use a comma also before the concluding conjunction in a complex series of phrases: The main points to consider are whether the athletes are skillful enough to compete, whether they have the stamina to endure the training, and whether they have the proper mental attitude.

The Australian Government Publishing Service's Style Manual for Authors, Editors and Printers

A comma is used before and, or, or etc. in a list when its omission might either give rise to ambiguity or cause the last word or phrase to be construed with a preposition in the preceding phrase: "There were many expeditions, including those of Sturt, Mitchell, Burke and Wills, and Darling." "The long days at work, the nights of intense study, and inadequate food eventually caused them serious health problems." "The sea, the perfume of wisteria, or a summer lunch: any of these revived memories of an easier time." "We needed to know how to get there, what time to get there, the number of participants, etc."

Generally, however, a comma is not used before and, or or etc. in a list: "John, Warren and Peter came to dinner." "Fruit, vegetables or cereals may be substituted." "Why not hire your skis, boots, overpants etc.?"

The Guardian Style Guide

a comma before the final "and" in lists: straightforward ones (he ate ham, eggs and chips) do not need one, but sometimes it can help the reader (he ate cereal, kippers, bacon, eggs, toast and marmalade, and tea)[24]

University of Oxford Writing and Style Guide

As a general rule, do not use the serial/Oxford comma: so write ‘a, b and c’ not ‘a, b, and c’. But when a comma would assist in the meaning of the sentence or helps to resolve ambiguity, it can be used – especially where one of the items in the list is already joined by ‘and’:

They had a choice between croissants, bacon and eggs, and muesli.[25]



Oh and I haven't ridden the gsxr600. Wheelies come naturally on my FZ, on the 636 I rode, on the hypermotard I rode, but not on my ancient zx600 or f2 I had in the least. I suppose I would tell him to gear up and always be cognizant of where he would slide or land should he crash, thats the mindset I have when I'm riding. Play where its safe not in traffic. Crashing happens, be it a car, a bad wheelie landing, a rabbit, locking the front mid turn cause you ran outta guts, it happens, be cognizant of where you might go and don't make it under a parked car or something too hard if it is take it easy there and pick another opportunity.

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fastfoodfred

Thta's ti; I wlli msisplle evyre wodr nwo.

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usmcgunnerm4

WTFIGOITB mang?

I voted other, because there are several variables I would have to consider, before teaching this person anything.

#1.....do I know you?

#2.....do I trust you not to do this crap in traffic or crowded places?

#3.....do you have gear?

If the answer is "NO" to any of the above....forget it.

#4.....are you going to use these as show-off material for big black guys?

#5.....are you riding a red BMW?

#6.....do you have a large nose?

if the answer to all three of the above is "YES" then you are Andrew...

Anyway, back to reality. I don't think that someone should just hop on a bike an wheelie. Bad idea. It's important to know the controls of a bike, and how they operate. It is also important to have a level head, and some strong willpower, so that this crap doesn't spew onto the streets, and stays in large empty parking lots, or blocked off areas, etc.

The wheelie is fun, but should be used with caution. Also, little wheelies can be useful when forced off the road, into the curb, by a merging vehicle. Might save you from getting squishy.

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Barbara

Seems to me that anyone stupid enough to want to wheelie while still learning the use of a throttle and clutch may just be stupid enough to have a lawyer lurking in the background, just in case.

And, being a 21-century American, he will have you in court within hours of when his face scrapes pavement.

So have fun teaching him to wheelie, and enjoy writing those large checks for the rest of your life......

And really, who gives a regurgitated rat's rectum about the proper use of a comma? Commafit, already. I had plenty of that sort of thing in college, back when the world was young.

Barb

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