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Avboden · 07-02-2009, 12:28 PM

Just because I can

A rider rides up to you on a GSXR 600. Tells you they just finished the MSF course, passed, and that this is their first bike. They mumble a little about how they rode 80cc and 250cc dirt bikes as a kid. Then they proceed to ask you to teach them how to do wheelies and other minor stunts. What do you say?

lets keep this on subject please, I'm actually curious as to how people feel about new riders learning to stunt. It is a form of riding but is it appropriate for a beginner?

raceface · 07-02-2009, 12:31 PM

Heh. Gotta love reruns....

VFRMike · 07-02-2009, 12:35 PM

If they "claim" to have ridden dirt bikes and want someone to teach them how to wheelie, then they didn't ride dirt bikes. Aside from getting air, riding long fast wheelies is the next best thing.

Dragonfish · 07-02-2009, 12:41 PM

Tell 'em to join Ruff riders

Degenerate · 07-02-2009, 12:43 PM

Unfortunately, you see and hear this all the time. Absolutely NO, they need to learn to ride the bike and get the feel of it first, before they pick up more bad habits. What I dont understand is why stunters don't make a supermoto and stunt with that its lighter and more agile. Seems to me you would probably be able to expand your abilities to a whole new level because of the weight of the bike and the agility.

KCander · 07-02-2009, 12:44 PM

Beat their ass to death right on the spot for even THINKING about using a motor vehicle in any way other than that which is prescribed by the Department of Transportation. Then do a stoppie on their dead body.

MichelinMan · 07-02-2009, 12:44 PM

Why should anyone stop anyone else from learning something new?

Did anyone try to stop you from learning to ride a motorcycle, regardless of what fashion you wanted to ride it in?

To each their own. Spend more time worrying about yourself and less about others.

Amorget · 07-02-2009, 12:45 PM

Yes, because I want GSXR parts for my SV.

JTR · 07-02-2009, 12:46 PM

dude...you must be bored or somethin'

Avboden · 07-02-2009, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by MichelinMan

Why should anyone stop anyone else from learning something new?

Did anyone try to stop you from learning to ride a motorcycle, regardless of what fashion you wanted to ride it in?

To each their own. Spend more time worrying about yourself and less about others.

Well put. But if you had the abilities to teach them, and they asked you, would you teach them? Saying no doesn't mean you would be stopping them, it would just mean you don't believe that it's a good choice and will not have a part in it.

vagrant · 07-02-2009, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Avboden

A poll because I'm curious

bi-curious?

twhite6868 · 07-02-2009, 12:59 PM

Immediately direct them to the nearest LARGE parking lot and say "Have fun fucking up your shiny new bike."

richmeyer · 07-02-2009, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by twhite6868

Immediately direct them to the nearest LARGE parking lot and say "Have fun fucking up your shiny new bike."

Then push them over and hock a huge stand up wheelie as you ride away with your middle finger in the air.

Eugene · 07-02-2009, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Amorget

Yes, because I want GSXR parts for my SV.

straightshot · 07-02-2009, 01:10 PM

If I knew the actual correct way to do them and was really good at wheelies, I would definitely teach that person. Better they know the right way, dont ya think? As a poor example, I would rather my kids learn about lifes lessons from myself or someone that has lived through some of life's trials than some dildo kid that dont know what the hell he's talking about but has a strong opinion and thinks he knows every damn thing.

koorbloh · 07-02-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by MichelinMan

Why should anyone stop anyone else from learning something new?

Did anyone try to stop you from learning to ride a motorcycle, regardless of what fashion you wanted to ride it in?

To each their own. Spend more time worrying about yourself and less about others.

my mom tried to get me not to ride. after that failed, she tried to get my dad not to ride. after that failed, she bought life insurance on my dad.

Originally Posted by Avboden

Well put. But if you had the abilities to teach them, and they asked you, would you teach them? Saying no doesn't mean you would be stopping them, it would just mean you don't believe that it's a good choice and will not have a part in it.

at least if someone was teaching a noob, they'd have someone around to help them not make mistakes.

I use big text for you because I know you are kinda dense, and bigger words hit harder. I even bolded it for you, just in case.

PeteN95 · 07-02-2009, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by VFRMike

If they "claim" to have ridden dirt bikes and want someone to teach them how to wheelie, then they didn't ride dirt bikes. Aside from getting air, riding long fast wheelies is the next best thing.

000 I'd tell them to go get the dirt bike and learn with it first. Dirt bikes wheelie easier, at a lower speed, and on a softer surface with no cars. Nuff said.

cityxslicker · 07-02-2009, 01:14 PM

send em back to dirt.

MikieTaps · 07-02-2009, 01:16 PM

omg big text is so annoying.

GixxerPete · 07-02-2009, 01:16 PM

For starters they're on the wrong bike for their first street bike. And ditto if they rode dirt bikes as a kid and were at all inclined to wheelie, they would already know how, as it's pretty much a required technique for dirt riding.

That said, learn how to ride first, and wheelies will come naturally. Simply understanding & operating the controls of a motorcycle doesn't not constitute knowing how to ride.

Then again, I've seen dudes that can ride wheelies for miles, but watch them set that wheelie down and try to go around a corner and they wobble, hardly lean, and look they barely know how to ride. Call me crazy, but common sense should tell you that you should have a solid grasp of all the fundamentals of riding before trying advanced things like wheelies.

mfrankpdx · 07-02-2009, 01:18 PM

"Wheelies? Sure I could teach you those, but have you ever thought about going to the racetrack? That is WAY more fun!"

koorbloh · 07-02-2009, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by mfrankpdx

"Wheelies? Sure I could teach you those, but have you ever thought about going to the racetrack? That is WAY more fun!"

you ride a tard.

I hate tards.

some like the street.

some like the track.

some like stunts.

different strokes.

different folks.

the left stroke is the best stroke.

stroke of a genius.

jeeters79 · 07-02-2009, 04:36 PM

Gotta learn to walk before you can run, so no. Unless you're one of those people who like to laugh at other people's misery. If that's it, then direct them to wait while you get a camera ready so you can post their epic fail on youtube for everyone else to enjoy.

pwb211 · 07-02-2009, 04:42 PM

Andrew this makes you even more of a fucking douchbag. Thats my poll

Avboden · 07-02-2009, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by pwb211

Andrew this makes you even more of a fucking douchbag. Thats my poll

thank you for your generous contribution to this debate, you'd think someone who's experienced riding over their heads with a new bike would understand.

Mic · 07-02-2009, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by koorbloh

I use big text for you because I know you are kinda dense, and bigger words hit harder. I even bolded it for you, just in case.]

Johnny950SM · 07-02-2009, 05:03 PM

Lets not forget about the riders with just pure natural abilities. Alot of folks can jump on and just nail whatever trick. I have known riders like this, any bike any trick. Most of these people get bored and never use their abilities.

I think alot of folks can be good at alot of things, they just dont ever have the nuts to follow through with it, or are slamming the door in their own face.

just a thought......

PulpComic · 07-02-2009, 05:22 PM

Wheelies are just another tool in the arsenal.

It's far from the first thing a new rider should learn. Clutch control, push steer, body position, road knowledge are far more important. But, once a person is comfortable using full throttle from a stop or near stop the wheelie should shortly follow. A new rider can only become an experienced rider by recognizing, studying then learning what a bike can do. Being afraid of the limit or ignorant of it is more dangerous than learning it in a safe manner (I've never crashed a wheelie or stoppie and I do them everyday). Though riding in all its forms has inherant danger, your results may vary.

One must also recognize that everyone learns at a different pace and has different goals. Some kids learn to stunt motorcycles professionally before they have a license, others ride bikes for 25years and have never gotten up on one wheel. Too each their own, that's my policy. However, I have no time for moralists or hypocrites that are at best dillettantes or at worst incompetents

tophyr · 07-02-2009, 05:27 PM

Sure. I'd take a newbie to the track.. if I could wheelie worth a shit, I'd teach 'em that too I guess.

What they do with the weapons of self-destruction I give them however... that's their business

PulpComic · 07-02-2009, 05:37 PM

Trophyr, that avatar is f******* sick. I'll have to see if Brandon or Darren can catch me doing the equivalent.

the chemist · 07-02-2009, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by koorbloh

I use big text for you because I know you are kinda dense, and bigger words hit harder. I even bolded it for you, just in case.

to lotz of lolz

alzo qft

rpappi · 07-02-2009, 07:51 PM

Let me get my video camera and ill be right back!!!!!!!!!

mobo14 · 07-02-2009, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by michelinman

why should anyone stop anyone else from learning something new?

Did anyone try to stop you from learning to ride a motorcycle, regardless of what fashion you wanted to ride it in?

To each their own. Spend more time worrying about yourself and less about others.

Grantizzle · 07-02-2009, 08:12 PM

i voted for option #5 because avboden shouldn't be teaching anyone, anything about motorcycles and/or the sport/techniques involved with it....

if a noob were to ask me about wheelies, i'd prolly tell them what i know and the theory behind getting the front wheel up, but tell them to go find a big spot to practice them.

oh... and i'd wanna go with a truck and camera.

E36M3K6GSXR · 07-02-2009, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by grantizzle

i voted for option #5 because avboden shouldn't be teaching anyone, anything about motorcycles and/or the sport/techniques involved with it....

Thezach · 07-02-2009, 08:41 PM

I always was marginal at wheelies, could get em up to mess around with but not hold them worth a shit without feeling i was going to crash. If conditions are right and both riders are in a safe place i really don't see the harm in showing someone how to fuck up there own motorcycle?

Its not like he asked you if he could hop on your bike and try it.

OOk · 07-02-2009, 09:09 PM

This thread, face palm.

polychlorobenzene · 07-02-2009, 09:30 PM

My Other:
Do what you want. If you're not learning where other people can get hurt, why not? It looks like fun, but it isn't for me. It also isn't my business what you do with yourself or your bike if it doesn't directly impact other people.

pwb211 · 07-02-2009, 09:39 PM

Andrew the people have spoke, I do what I want on my bike I ride it like I'm not scared because I can It is mine paid for by me not rich parents.

Grantizzle · 07-02-2009, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by pwb211

Andrew the people have spoke, I do what I want on my bike I ride it like I'm not scared because I can It is mine paid for by me not rich parents.

OHHHH SHIT!!!!!

View Poll Results: What would you say?
1. NO, a beginner rider shouldn't even consider stunting at first.	39	35.45%
2. NO, I can't even do them myself so I can't teach you, but even if I could I wouldn't teach a noob	31	28.18%
3. Sure! Wheelies are fun and even newbie riders should learn them.	12	10.91%
4. Let me go figure it out first, then I'll teach you	11	10.00%
5. Other (Describe)	17	15.45%
Voters: 110. You may not vote on this poll


07-02-2009, 12:28 PM	#1
Avboden MotoGP Contender Joined: Oct 2007 From: Pullman/Spokane, Wa I Ride: 2007 BMW F800S	A poll because I'm curious Just because I can A rider rides up to you on a GSXR 600. Tells you they just finished the MSF course, passed, and that this is their first bike. They mumble a little about how they rode 80cc and 250cc dirt bikes as a kid. Then they proceed to ask you to teach them how to do wheelies and other minor stunts. What do you say? lets keep this on subject please, I'm actually curious as to how people feel about new riders learning to stunt. It is a form of riding but is it appropriate for a beginner? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Avboden; 07-02-2009 at 12:32 PM..


07-02-2009, 12:31 PM	#2
raceface Pit Crew Joined: Apr 2009 From: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho I Ride: 2006 R6	Heh. Gotta love reruns.... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 12:35 PM	#3
VFRMike WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Nov 2007 From: Edmonds I Ride: 06 Honda VFR800A 86 Honda VFR750F & 83 Honda VT500 Ascot	If they "claim" to have ridden dirt bikes and want someone to teach them how to wheelie, then they didn't ride dirt bikes. Aside from getting air, riding long fast wheelies is the next best thing. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 12:41 PM	#4
Dragonfish Superbiker Joined: Sep 2006 From: the other side of midnight I Ride: '08 SV650S	Tell 'em to join Ruff riders __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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07-02-2009, 12:43 PM	#5
Degenerate Streetfighter Joined: Aug 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: Busa.	Unfortunately, you see and hear this all the time. Absolutely NO, they need to learn to ride the bike and get the feel of it first, before they pick up more bad habits. What I dont understand is why stunters don't make a supermoto and stunt with that its lighter and more agile. Seems to me you would probably be able to expand your abilities to a whole new level because of the weight of the bike and the agility. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 12:44 PM	#6
KCander El Duderino "Old Timer" Joined: May 2005 From: Everett I Ride: '00 DRZ400S/SM, '04 CBR1000RR, '95 DR350SE (garaged in Vegas!)	Beat their ass to death right on the spot for even THINKING about using a motor vehicle in any way other than that which is prescribed by the Department of Transportation. Then do a stoppie on their dead body. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 12:44 PM	#7
MichelinMan Moderator Joined: May 2007 From: the Westside I Ride: only on the center of my tire.	Why should anyone stop anyone else from learning something new? Did anyone try to stop you from learning to ride a motorcycle, regardless of what fashion you wanted to ride it in? To each their own. Spend more time worrying about yourself and less about others. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 12:45 PM	#8
Amorget Superbiker Joined: Oct 2005 From: Stanwood, WA I Ride: 99 SV650, 00 TLR, 01 SV650S, 08 848	Yes, because I want GSXR parts for my SV. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 12:46 PM	#9
JTR MotoGP Contender Joined: Feb 2006 From: the bat cave, on the PC! I Ride: stuff	dude...you must be bored or somethin' __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 12:59 PM	#12
twhite6868 Pit Crew Joined: Feb 2009 From: Puyallup, WA I Ride: 2007 Kawasaki ZX6R	Immediately direct them to the nearest LARGE parking lot and say "Have fun fucking up your shiny new bike." __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 01:10 PM	#15
straightshot Zone Head Joined: Sep 2007 From: Spokane Valley, Washington I Ride: with 1% of the 99%'rs	If I knew the actual correct way to do them and was really good at wheelies, I would definitely teach that person. Better they know the right way, dont ya think? As a poor example, I would rather my kids learn about lifes lessons from myself or someone that has lived through some of life's trials than some dildo kid that dont know what the hell he's talking about but has a strong opinion and thinks he knows every damn thing. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 01:14 PM	#18
cityxslicker Superbiker Joined: Nov 2007 From: Silverdale, Wa I Ride: Buell XB9SX City-X	send em back to dirt. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 01:16 PM	#19
MikieTaps Zone Head Joined: Apr 2009 From: Bellevue, WA I Ride: CBR600RR RRRRed.	omg big text is so annoying. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 01:16 PM	#20
GixxerPete Forum Synopsizer Joined: Jul 2006 From: Point Lookout I Ride: 08 KLR650, 06 DRZ400SM, 04 CRF250X, 03 XR50	For starters they're on the wrong bike for their first street bike. And ditto if they rode dirt bikes as a kid and were at all inclined to wheelie, they would already know how, as it's pretty much a required technique for dirt riding. That said, learn how to ride first, and wheelies will come naturally. Simply understanding & operating the controls of a motorcycle doesn't not constitute knowing how to ride. Then again, I've seen dudes that can ride wheelies for miles, but watch them set that wheelie down and try to go around a corner and they wobble, hardly lean, and look they barely know how to ride. Call me crazy, but common sense should tell you that you should have a solid grasp of all the fundamentals of riding before trying advanced things like wheelies. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 01:18 PM	#21
mfrankpdx Moderator Joined: Jul 2007 From: Portland I Ride: '07 R1, '08 WR250X	"Wheelies? Sure I could teach you those, but have you ever thought about going to the racetrack? That is WAY more fun!" __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 04:36 PM	#23
jeeters79 Endorsed Joined: Dec 2006 From: Stanwood, WA I Ride: 02 Honda CBR 600 F4i	Gotta learn to walk before you can run, so no. Unless you're one of those people who like to laugh at other people's misery. If that's it, then direct them to wait while you get a camera ready so you can post their epic fail on youtube for everyone else to enjoy. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 04:42 PM	#24
pwb211 Zone Head Joined: May 2008 From: spokane I Ride: Ian's. Fastly	Andrew this makes you even more of a fucking douchbag. Thats my poll __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 05:03 PM	#27
Johnny950SM Endorsed Joined: Apr 2009 From: Post Falls, ID Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: KTM	Lets not forget about the riders with just pure natural abilities. Alot of folks can jump on and just nail whatever trick. I have known riders like this, any bike any trick. Most of these people get bored and never use their abilities. I think alot of folks can be good at alot of things, they just dont ever have the nuts to follow through with it, or are slamming the door in their own face. just a thought...... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 05:22 PM	#28
PulpComic Endorsed Joined: Jun 2007 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: 2007 YZF-R1 (Current), 2002 YZF-R1 Silver (Stolen), 2003 Kawasaki Z1000 Black (Sold), 1991 VFR-750 Red (Sold), 1988 VTR 250 Red (Sold)	Wheelies are just another tool in the arsenal. It's far from the first thing a new rider should learn. Clutch control, push steer, body position, road knowledge are far more important. But, once a person is comfortable using full throttle from a stop or near stop the wheelie should shortly follow. A new rider can only become an experienced rider by recognizing, studying then learning what a bike can do. Being afraid of the limit or ignorant of it is more dangerous than learning it in a safe manner (I've never crashed a wheelie or stoppie and I do them everyday). Though riding in all its forms has inherant danger, your results may vary. One must also recognize that everyone learns at a different pace and has different goals. Some kids learn to stunt motorcycles professionally before they have a license, others ride bikes for 25years and have never gotten up on one wheel. Too each their own, that's my policy. However, I have no time for moralists or hypocrites that are at best dillettantes or at worst incompetents __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 05:27 PM	#29
tophyr Forum Cripple Joined: Dec 2005 From: Seattle, WA Blog Entries: 13 I Ride: Monsters by Fuzzy	Sure. I'd take a newbie to the track.. if I could wheelie worth a shit, I'd teach 'em that too I guess. What they do with the weapons of self-destruction I give them however... that's their business __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 05:37 PM	#30
PulpComic Endorsed Joined: Jun 2007 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: 2007 YZF-R1 (Current), 2002 YZF-R1 Silver (Stolen), 2003 Kawasaki Z1000 Black (Sold), 1991 VFR-750 Red (Sold), 1988 VTR 250 Red (Sold)	Trophyr, that avatar is f***** sick. I'll have to see if Brandon or Darren can catch me doing the equivalent. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter**


07-02-2009, 07:51 PM	#32
rpappi Superbiker Joined: Dec 2007 From: Puyallup, Wa I Ride: SHINKO's	Let me get my video camera and ill be right back!!!!!!!!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 08:12 PM	#34
Grantizzle Superbiker Joined: Feb 2008 From: Mill Creek, Wa I Ride: '07 91niner & '07 KLR650	i voted for option #5 because avboden shouldn't be teaching anyone, anything about motorcycles and/or the sport/techniques involved with it.... if a noob were to ask me about wheelies, i'd prolly tell them what i know and the theory behind getting the front wheel up, but tell them to go find a big spot to practice them. oh... and i'd wanna go with a truck and camera. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 08:41 PM	#36
Thezach Endorsed Joined: Apr 2009 From: Kent WA I Ride: ZX6R, CBR1000RR, BUSA!	I always was marginal at wheelies, could get em up to mess around with but not hold them worth a shit without feeling i was going to crash. If conditions are right and both riders are in a safe place i really don't see the harm in showing someone how to fuck up there own motorcycle? Its not like he asked you if he could hop on your bike and try it. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 09:09 PM	#37
OOk beansbaxter is too lazy to come up with something but he will get to it, eventually... Joined: Sep 2005 From: kerklund Blog Entries: 31	This thread, face palm. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 09:30 PM	#38
polychlorobenzene Endorsed Joined: Oct 2008 From: Olympia I Ride: Aprilia Mana 850	My Other: Do what you want. If you're not learning where other people can get hurt, why not? It looks like fun, but it isn't for me. It also isn't my business what you do with yourself or your bike if it doesn't directly impact other people. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 09:39 PM	#39
pwb211 Zone Head Joined: May 2008 From: spokane I Ride: Ian's. Fastly	Andrew the people have spoke, I do what I want on my bike I ride it like I'm not scared because I can It is mine paid for by me not rich parents. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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