sinco54

Ok so When i bought my ZX9r it had the Metzler M-1's on it so im going to replace them as they just suck ass.. front pushes out, crappy tip in and feedback, and piss poor mileage. I dont mind bad mileage if atleast im getting some performance out of the tire but the metz;s have failed miserably..

Ive owned and really like th Michi PP's but id like some feedback onto what you guys have tried and really like.. Guys who have used the Michi PP's and are now using something better in the same price range would be awesome!! Thanks in advance guys!! My budget is the 200 mark for a new rear, thats the price point im at..

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mjn

The Bridgestone BT016's work well.

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usmcgunnerm4

You're going to have to change both tires, or your ride will still suck. You'll be mixing compounds and tread patterns....blah blah blah. Tire talk commence.

Anyway, I just put Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa's on my bike, after having the Dragon Supercorsas.

I loved the Dragons, they were sticking, yet gave excellent feedback at the same time. GREAT tires.

I got the Diablos (take-off's mind you), and after I got them "street temp" I took a hard right hander getting onto the freeway and goosed the throttle in 1st gear. I did not feel one tiny bit of slip....not at all. Took the long way home, on a nice back road, and the tires performed amazingly. Tip in is very fast, and they hold the road like no other tire I have experienced. Probably won't be the best for mileage or rain, but wow what a great tire. Medium compound rear (SC2) and soft compound front (SC1).

They are going for about 239 for the rear, but HERE is one on ebay.

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sinco54

FAntastic! And yeah I plan on changing both, front is the main reason i want to change it just doesnt let me get low in the corners and isnt very confident. and no im not grabbin brake in mid corner. This is the 3rd slip this tire has done to me and im afraid i wont be so lucky next time..

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Mithras

Why not buy a sport touring tire? Get tons of miles. Sure they don't have quite the performance of a full sport/racing tire but they're still usually very ridable.

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Avboden

Dunlop Qualifiers


they rock

2 track days on mine and still look like they have at least 5000 street miles left, probably more. Given I'm kinda slow :-P

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mjn

Yes they do. The mileage is not all that great, but they stick like glue.

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sinco54

NO SHIT?? My cute lil ZX6R ate up my Michi PP's i maybe got 3k from them and this big bike is gonna chew the hell outta some tires.. qualifiers maybe a viable option for sure then.

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misfitR6

i use to run these on the r6 ...great tires good feedback but could only get barely 3k on them for milage...like my bridgestones on my supermoto...lovin the bt003's on my r6 now...given their dot's...

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mjn

2350 miles including one track day and mine were toast.

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misfitR6

your molesting your tires with 1300cc's tho...lol

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Avboden

true, but your bike is just about twice mine. There are so many aspects to how many miles a set of tires will get. What PSI you run, the power of the bike, how you ride, all that.

These were my quali's after the 2nd track day if it helps at all, still significant tread left. I'm pretty confident I can get at least 4000 street miles from them but we'll see, probably much less after another track day. I'm more concerned about uneven wear. My left side is gonna be way worse then the right riding SCR

This was 200 total track miles in 2 days. Given I'm a n00b out there so your results may vary. The tearing wore off pretty easily after some street riding

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sinco54

^^ thats just beautiful!!

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fastfoodfred

Best for the price is any Bridgstone, Pirelli, or Dunlop race take-off with any life left at all. They will always have tread left in the center, and plenty on the edges of the tire. Time of year will be the only deciding factor as to whether or not they will work for you or not.

At $40-100 per set, compared to $350+ on any new brand puts them at a bargain. I usually get around 2000 miles out of any set of tires, it does not matter if they are street or take-offs.

The race tires have amazing turn in accuracy and lean traction-in July and August. In October, they will need some careful warm up time. just don't ride then.

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fastfoodfred

No, MJN rides like twice the man.

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zx14revn

if you get the 2cts pp they will last alot longer than the single compound instead of 3k you could get 6 or 7k. i got sold the regular pp and the rear lasted 2k and my bike is heavy at 535 full of fuel. if i run the 2ct ican get almost 8k. i love this tire!

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Avboden

A set of qualifiers from cycle gear runs about $280 for front and rear, assuming you're running a 190, lil cheaper with a 180.



Do you ride in the rain at all? Are you looking for highway millage? Do track days?

The quali's are great for me, may not be for you. All depends what you're looking for.

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fastfoodfred

Before you are one tire specific, try some others. I tried the PP's and thought they were fine up to about 7/10th of my street pace. After that, they were disappointing.

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Jalharad

you can check out the pp road 2cts too...they tend to be harder in the center then the standard pp, but use the same edge compound as the pp 2ct. I've got 12k on mine and still have life left in them (bike wet is about 500 lbs)

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cascaderider

I'm extremely pleased with my BT021 set.

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Nicegy525

there are a number of factors that affect tire wear.

Tire pressure. Road Surface, Ground Temps, suspension, hp of bike, weight of bike, riding style (hard braking, hard throttle on corner exit etc)

IMHO the best bang for the buck on tires is DOT race take-offs. For about $100 a set you can get some with alot of life left in them. Their only downside is they dont do very well in cold temps or wet roads. even then they do suprisingly well if you know how to ride them.

I have had good luck with Michelins. I had had the regular Pilot Powers and the 2CT's. Didnt notice much performance difference between the 2 but the 2cts definitley did not last as long as the regular pp's

my olnly experience with bridgestone were the stock tires on my GSXR and I did not like them at all...

My only experience with Pirelli were the old style Dragon Supercorsas and I absolutely love them! stick great, good mileage and do suprisingly well on cold/wet roads.

when people say "oh I got crazy good mileage from X tires" or "x tires wore out quick" you need to take the factors into consideration that may have give them that experience as it may not be the same for you.

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Tdawg

imho

Metzler m1s are blah, M3's rock (had them), and the Z6-it's are good sporty tourers.
had old diablo's, didn't like them much
pilots have them and like them, some say the front goes from grip to lowside without feedback though.
Bridgestoners and Dunslops next on the to try list.

i've run m1/m3 combos fine, wouldn't attempt a m1/power combo, the profiles are too different

buy for what you plan on using the tire for, there's a lot of good tires out there, some are just brand loyal. take-offs is another option and way to try different makes

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mjn

I agree 100%. I can see how you would get far more mileage out of a set simply due to the power difference..

The OP has a ZX9.... that bike is no slouch.. Here are a couple pics of my last two tires. The top tire is a Qualifier with right at 2350 miles, including one 120 mile track day.
The bottom tire is a Pilot Power with just over 3000 street miles... about 250 too many IMO.. but regardless, the PP outlasted the Qualie;



I am really hoping the 016's will outlast either of these.. They stick well, maybe not quite as good as the Qualifiers, but damn close.

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late apex

I like tires that are both roundish and of a rather dark color.

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08ninjarider

BT-016's FTW!

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MCA8690

Nothing else needs to be said.
These warm up faster than either PP's or Qualifiers, have better progressive tip-in than the Qualifiers, and it takes riding to get these to slip (whereas the PP's will get greasy at just a "fast" pace).

As for Pirellis, you can practically buy 2x sets of the 016's for a full retail Dragon S.C.

Yes, I've ridden with all these tires, done trackdays with all these tires. Granted, on a 600....

P.S. the BT-002's kick ass, as well, but wear dramatically faster than 016's on the street

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ch3no2

I shredded a DQ in under 3K miles on the RSV and she's now wearing a set of Pirelli Diablo strada's. Super high mileage with excellent adhesion and wet/cold riding conditions at a great price. The VFR is wearing a set of Diablo's that I'm also very happy with as well.

DT

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krautBurner

Michelen Pilot Road 2ct's
$327.50 shipped for a pair 120/70-17 and 190/50-17
http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/pr...roducts_id=365

Conti Road Attack
http://www.compacc.com/p.cfm/c/9001000/p/7709
$259-269 / pair (depending on if you use 180 or 190 rear)





don't the new Pilot Power 2ct's last a little longer than the old Pilot powers?
$259.99 / pair shipped (120/70-17 & 180/55-17)
$289.99 / pair shipped (120/70-17 & 190/50-17)
http://www.compacc.com/p.cfm/c/2009024/p/18998


here's the BT016's
http://www.compacc.com/p.cfm/c/1701001/p/19779
set for $245-259 (180 or 190 rear)

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dragracer1951

Lots of concensus here....
How about oil?
What oil gives you the most bang for the buck???

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FastCat

Fuel-oil, of course.

...but ya hafta mix it with some fertilizer first.

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dragracer1951

True Dat....
Don't you have a clutch to put together?
Git back ta work...

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usmcgunnerm4

have them flipped before your next track day. I'm pretty sure they are flippable.

Plus Uhwun

I just bought 2 sets of Diablo Supercorsa Take-Off's for 100 bucks each. They had between 10 and 20 LAPS on them. I will get about 6000 miles out of the two sets, so.....probably worth it, since I just had to take of the Dragon S.C's after about 4200 total miles on new tires.

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late apex

I am curious how people are getting more miles out of their 2CT's than the standard power since Michelin claims that the center compound remained the same and they put a softer compound on the edges.

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dragracer1951

I'm thinkin it's because they can't ride anywhere NEAR close to the tires limits.
Might want to think about track days and THEN which tire is best......

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fastfoodfred

The center compound is so hard, it spins on acceleration??? I dunno.

Why do people expect to get more than 2400 miles out of performance tires?

Why do slow guys want performance tires? That includes me.

Why are race bikes oriented toward street riders?

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usmcgunnerm4

My 2ct's lasted about 5K miles on the Speed 3, and that was just about down to the chords.

I had a regular Pilot Power on the CBR, which lasted about 4600.

On the street....the tires get flat spots....and I won't go fast enough to push them to the limit on the edges.

With these new pirelli's I don't even struggle with feedback or feel. The Power's feel wooden in comparison. I can only imagine track performance.

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mjn

Yea...like two people on one bike.... fat rider, fat bike and a heavy right wrist. Probably why I go thru tires so damn fast...

I realized just how stinkin slow I am after watching you guys at the track...

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Gymbo

Avon Storms have awesome grip and feel. Also...the new Metzeler Z6 Interact is a more performance-oriented version of the popular Z6 RoadTec. And the Dunlop RoadSmart...a friend has those on his Blackbird and likes them.

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fastfoodfred

That's not what I meant. I meant that the front tire does not care about the displacement of the engine.

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hondakilla98

Well my buddy hondakilla(not me) has a 98 zx9r that he just had the suspension done at gp and fitted a set of BT-016's. He's done a track day and over a 1000 street miles and they look great. His bike is an older one which runs a 180 rear tire. Make sure you get the right tire for your bike. I think in 00 they went from the 5.5" to the 6.0" wheel in the rear. And started putting a 190 rear tire on. I think my next set of tires for the 12r will be BT-016's.

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