PNW Riders

slugsgomoo · 07-17-2009, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Pointman

If HD made a bike the Sportbois/girlz liked I wouldn't buy it.

Keep your Axis made shit, I'll ride Milwaukee Steel anytime, anywhere!

did you seriously just tell people to keep their axis made shit and then post the one harley with a german designed engine?

You sir win the prize for general stupidity in this thread. haha

I don't have a problem with harleys, as some of them are quite cool. I do laugh at people buying all the "genuine harley accessories" that 587,924 people already have so that they can be "unique"

skewterdewd · 07-17-2009, 09:02 AM

They'll weather it, as they have for decades.
That company hasn't survived this long by accident. There's always going to be some chunk of the market that wants a Harley, and only a Harley, warts and all.

As an American, I hope they make it all the way back.
As a consumer, I hope people have a chance to buy a hog, if that's what they want.
As a rider of bikes, feh. I couldn't care less.

Sport Bikes v Hawgs? pointless drivel. Which is more fun? the tall blonde, the curvy brunette, or the crazy redhead?

I'm just sayin.

Shrek X · 07-17-2009, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by speedholes

Werd

thats coming from a person with a picture of a dog shitting on their avatar.

Pavin · 07-17-2009, 09:32 AM

i guess i just need to ride one someday. i really dont have an issue about the technology in itself, the problem i have is the extreme price.
it certainly appears people are paying an extra 5-10k for the harley name and image and nothing more.

Shrek X · 07-17-2009, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Pavin

i guess i just need to ride one someday. i really dont have an issue about the technology in itself, the problem i have is the extreme price.
it certainly appears people are paying an extra 5-10k for the harley name and image and nothing more.

when compared to a Japanese bike, sure. But then you have to look at what is there. Steal and leather, not plastic and pleather. A sport bike is designed to be as fast as possible but for a short period of time. A HD is designed to be cool and last a long time, in the time most own 3 / 4 sport bikes, a d00d with a HD is just getting it broke in.

750Rider · 07-17-2009, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

A HD is designed to be cool and last a long time, in the time most own 3 / 4 sport bikes, a d00d with a HD is just getting it broke in, after his 4th engine rebuild

Fix it for ya

Pavin · 07-17-2009, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

when compared to a Japanese bike, sure. But then you have to look at what is there. Steal and leather, not plastic and pleather. A sport bike is designed to be as fast as possible but for a short period of time. A HD is designed to be cool and last a long time, in the time most own 3 / 4 sport bikes, a d00d with a HD is just getting it broke in.

you sir have singlehandedly changed my opinions of harleys from animosity to respect, something i thought i would never say. i will try one out someday.

evander · 07-17-2009, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by KevinD

There's a good reason HD has tremendous brand loyalty.

It's cause of their soft, logo covered, tasseled toilet seats.

Don't get me wrong when I'm old enough or fat enough I'll own one. Unless they bring that flat tracker to the states. That's a sweet freaking ride.

cityxslicker · 07-17-2009, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by evander

It's cause of their soft, logo covered, tasseled toilet seats.

Don't get me wrong when I'm old enough or fat enough I'll own one. Unless they bring that flat tracker to the states. That's a sweet freaking ride.

the flat tracker is in the states, its been on showroom floors since December. For about 11500 plus tax, title, etc

Or see ours over in classifieds

Timebom · 07-17-2009, 12:04 PM

Victory is a nice American assembled bike too. And Shrek x, why dont you own a HD? Just wondering as you seem to really like them but ride a bike also assembled in the USA. I just love to harass HD posers who claim its a "all American bike" till i ask them who made certain parts and what size forks are in them. hmmmm millimeters are the new American measurement? lol
I do however hangout with some old greybeard "Harley Riders" . They have NEVER said that their HD was better than any other bike, just that the HD was Their ride. I respect that. I do find it interesting that most the greybeards that prefer performance go to S&S motors and toss the lumps that were in there.
Do I claim my bikes are better than HD's? Well when i was part of a motorcycle club, my 5 yr old piece of crap Russian bike was the only bike allowed in the Mall Bike Shows with out a cookie sheet under it because it wouldnt leak a drop of oil. Even the brand new HDs leaked.. lol
I guess I have more of a problem with riders who think that HD is the god brand of bikes, its that attitude that rubs me the wrong way.
I mainly ride guzzi, have owned many and currently own one with over 110,000 miles on it. Guzzi is a far from perfect bike but I enjoy em and ride em as well as the other brands in my garage, including Ural. lol
Of course I do smile at fond memories of spanking Harleys with my poor little "get a real bike" 1988 750 magna cruiser..
But hell, I will wave to everyone on the road because they are just as likely to be killed by the 1/2 blind 78yr old guy who makes a left turn with out signaling... or the lady who didn't stop at the stop light because she was painting her nails and didn't notice the bike stopped at the light....

Remember 68% of all Harleys are still on the road, the rest made it home. LOL

Dusten · 07-17-2009, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by ddonacazx12

A vtx is a beast no doubt... but it's not a HD.

{ I know, sometimes I don't make any damn sense...

- I love the look of a HD, the sound of a HD, the history of HD... I just want em' to build something comperable to an X or a Raider, but with the muscle that I know they're capable of... if they pick the MV braintrust for engine ideas.

Basically I think I'm just a picky m***** f*****...

}

Thats cool though, I didn't realize they had a US plant.

you realize the raider(or my warrior) has an engine and trans that not drastically different than the hd. air cooled, push rod, low compression, big bore, low revving(5200 on mine), with a 5 speed backing it. hell the bike only makes 80hp and 100 ft/lbs. The point you are missing is the people riding big crusiers dont give a shit to drag pegs, and stop on a dime. they want to CRUISE, they want to drive around in comfort, enjoy the scenery and have a good time doing it.

Shrek X · 07-17-2009, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Timebom

Victory is a nice American assembled bike too. And Shrek x, why dont you own a HD?

When I was shopping for my current bike, it was on the radar, but that was at the start of the big back tire craze and I wanted it. The X was a lot easier to setup (had a kit) than a HD at the time. Plus I really liked the 1800 big boar badass of the X, maybe my next bike, or the one after (thinking of getting a supermoto rightt now)

91gsxr · 07-17-2009, 07:46 PM

If Harley was actually competitive with their prices they wouldnt be having problems.
Heres an example, NOS VTX 1800's can be found for 8k, new VTX 1300's for 9k the average softail starts at 16k.
With the current state of the economy people are going to take that into consideration now more than ever.

Pointman · 07-17-2009, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by slugsgomoo

did you seriously just tell people to keep their axis made shit and then post the one harley with a german designed engine?

You sir win the prize for general stupidity in this thread. haha

I don't have a problem with harleys, as some of them are quite cool. I do laugh at people buying all the "genuine harley accessories" that 587,924 people already have so that they can be "unique"

You bitch about technology but when you see it in H-D you disclaim it....

The "V-Rod" made use of the Revolution engine, developed jointly with Porsche that, for the first time in Harley history, incorporates fuel injection, overhead cams, and liquid cooling.
The V-Rod is visually distinct from other Harley-Davidson motorcycles.

It can be easily identified by the 60-degree V-Twin engine, the radiator and the hydroformed frame members that support the round-topped air cleaner cover. A distinct difference between the V-Rod and all other Harley production motorcycles, is the location of the fuel tank.

The fuel tank on the V-Rod is located underneath the seat, placing the driver on top of it, rather than the usual frontal placement, the "tank" in this place is simple dressing, hiding the frame.

Loosely based on the VR-1000 superbike, it continues to be a platform around which Harley-Davidson builds drag-racing competition machines.

The new motor is light-years away from the present generation of air-cooled, 45-degree pushrod Harley engines. The aptly named Revolution engine is a 60-degree, liquid-cooled, double-overhead-cam, four-valve-per-cylinder V-twin laid out like the VR1000 race engine, but sharing none of its parts.

It is a short-stroke (72mm stroke in a 100mm bore) with the cylinders an integral part of the crankcase. The camshafts are chain-driven, with long followers for the automatic tensioners. Valve lash is adjusted with shims-under-buckets. The design is unit-construction with a wet sump and geared primary drive. It displaces a mere 1130cc, but is redlined at 9000 rpm, and claims a stunning 115 horsepower, much more than any other H-D street engine.

The connecting rods are side-by-side, and a gear-driven counterbalancer, backed up by rubber mounts, snubs any shaking. This is the first Harley streetbike with a radiator, and it is encased in a large shroud with a raft of high-tech air-management features. The engine is fuel injected, with an all-new two-throat downdraft system.

The five-speed transmission uses helical gears for the middle three ratios to reduce noise. In short, this engine is as modern as anything on the road and certainly as modern as any cruiser engine.

http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roa...rod/index.html

Y2K · 07-17-2009, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by 91gsxr

If Harley was actually competitive with their prices they wouldnt be having problems.
Heres an example, NOS VTX 1800's can be found for 8k, new VTX 1300's for 9k the average softail starts at 16k.
With the current state of the economy people are going to take that into consideration now more than ever.

Harley 1200 Customs start at $9999 and 96" Dynas at $11,999.
Those are lower MSRPs than both the VTX1300 and VTX1800.
Both have far better resale value than the VTX Hondas or any of the other Japanese V-Twin cruisers,I don't see that the price is a big issue.
In the long run if you keep a bike more than a year or two you'll come out better money wise buying a Harley than just about any other machine of any kind.
As for H-D being in trouble,their sales are down less than the market in general so it's also a non issue other than the economy generally sucking.
Sales are down across the board of all makes so keep it in context.
I plan on buying a new bike as soon as things get better,had planned on getting a 2010 model ten years to the day from buying my last new bike but now I have had to put that thought out of my mind and wait for better times.
My bike only has 156,000 miles on it so I can live with it a few more years.

Y2K · 07-17-2009, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by slugsgomoo

did you seriously just tell people to keep their axis made shit and then post the one harley with a german designed engine?

You sir win the prize for general stupidity in this thread. haha

I don't have a problem with harleys, as some of them are quite cool. I do laugh at people buying all the "genuine harley accessories" that 587,924 people already have so that they can be "unique"

Originally Posted by Pointman

You bitch about technology but when you see it in H-D you disclaim it....

http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roa...rod/index.html

Truth is the V-Rod's engine design is not a German design,it's basics are a Harley design.
Harley used Porche engineering to help in redesigning the VR Superbike engine design into a street going version for the V-Rod muscle cruiser.
The original VR engine was designed and built by Harley.
They are not a giant multi faceted company like Kawasaki,Honda,Yamaha or Suzuki that builds everything from airplanes to lawn equipment so the engineering dept is small and some work has to be outsourced like many other smaller companies.

Y2K · 07-17-2009, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Timebom

I mainly ride guzzi, have owned many and currently own one with over 110,000 miles on it.

Your Goose has 46,000 more miles to go before it gets to the mileage my Harley has on it now and for the record it has never leaked oil and never not gotten me home.

Nefarious · 07-17-2009, 10:01 PM

I love knocking harley riders, I really do and here's why.

A HUGE percentage of modern Harley riders are yuppy assholes who are pretending to be tough for the weekend. If it rains they run, if their bike gets dust on it the world has ended.. Blah blah blah... typical knocks..

However I've ridden with quite a few people that have Harleys with more mileage then my SV will ever see (It's at 50,000 right now) that run like they just came out of the showroom.

I seriously think that It's some sort of Trend with sport bikers to randomly whine about how Harleys break down all the time, because every Harley that any friend of mine has ever owned that has been properly maintained has run like a top, period end of story. It's like a giant brown snowball of bullshit, hell I guarantee you there are people on this forum that have shit talked Harleys after having ridden all of what? 500 miles on their (Insert Jap bike here) in their life?

It's a ridiculous lame pissing contest, ride to ride or shut the fuck up

I really really really would hate to see Harley go under, there is WAY too much history behind the company and the "tradition" of American motorcycling.

*Disclaimer

If anyone ever pulls this post out to point out I've defended Harley' I'll straight up deny it and say I was high as shit.

Pointman · 07-17-2009, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Y2K

Your Goose has 46,000 more miles to go before it gets to the mileage my Harley has on it now and for the record it has never leaked oil and never not gotten me home.

I have the original engine/frame/trans in my '53...I wonder how many miles that would be?

Nefarious · 07-17-2009, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Pointman

I have the original engine/frame/trans in my '53...I wonder how many miles that would be?

You'd have to take a few minutes off posting here and actually get out and ride once in a while to have put miles on it..

Y2K · 07-17-2009, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Pointman

I have the original engine/frame/trans in my '53...I wonder how many miles that would be?

Built to last,that bike is a few years older than I am and will likely still be running after I am long gone.

Y2K · 07-17-2009, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Nefarious

I love knocking harley riders, I really do and here's why.

A HUGE percentage of modern Harley riders are yuppy assholes who are pretending to be tough for the weekend. If it rains they run, if their bike gets dust on it the world has ended.. Blah blah blah... typical knocks..

However I've ridden with quite a few people that have Harleys with more mileage then my SV will ever see (It's at 50,000 right now) that run like they just came out of the showroom.

I seriously think that It's some sort of Trend with sport bikers to randomly whine about how Harleys break down all the time, because every Harley that any friend of mine has ever owned that has been properly maintained has run like a top, period end of story. It's like a giant brown snowball of bullshit, hell I guarantee you there are people on this forum that have shit talked Harleys after having ridden all of what? 500 miles on their (Insert Jap bike here) in their life?

It's a ridiculous lame pissing contest, ride to ride or shut the fuck up

I really really really would hate to see Harley go under, there is WAY too much history behind the company and the "tradition" of American motorcycling.

*Disclaimer

If anyone ever pulls this post out to point out I've defended Harley' I'll straight up deny it and say I was high as shit.

True enough...all true.
High or not that disclaimer won't fly though.

Nefarious · 07-17-2009, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Y2K

True enough...all true.
High or not that disclaimer won't fly though.

WTF IS THIS!? SOMEONE TOTALLY HACKED MY ACCOUNT!!!

I swear I didn't post that!

Y2K · 07-17-2009, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Nefarious

WTF IS THIS!? SOMEONE TOTALLY HACKED MY ACCOUNT!!!

I swear I didn't post that!

Evil twin or schizophrenia ?

Driftertank · 07-17-2009, 10:38 PM

I don't like Harleys. I don't like the fact that they're loud, slow, stick stubbornly to outdated technologies, and when they DO put something on it that's newer than 50's tech, they try to hide it. I don't like the 1%-ers, I don't like the armies of wanna-be-1%-er yuppie scum trash trying to come across as tough and devil-may-care during the 2 hours they can get away from both the office AND the wife. I don't like the people going out and spending more than I make in a year to cover an overpriced turd with acres of chrome customization so they can proclaim to the world that they don't care what the world thinks, they are unique...just like everyone else. I hate the image of Harley, and the legions of mindless me-too's who line up to fork over their cash for the "Harley image"

But I love the fact that Harley is still an AUTHENTIC american company. I love the fact that they take pride in their heritage. I love the fact that they understand what people want, and give it to them. I love the fact that there is NO OTHER BIKE ON THE PLANET that everyone can identify, even if they know absolutely NOTHING about motorcycles. I love the fact that it draws so many to this great sport, this passion, and involves new people all the time. I love the fact that it is a company with a passion for what it makes. At the end of the day, Harley-Davidson DEFINES a genre. If you roll up on a cruiser, no matter what make, 75% of the uninformed will call it a Harley. It is THE American Motorcycle, for better or worse, and I don't see them going away anytime soon.

'Course, I don't see ME owning one anytime soon either.

Y2K · 07-17-2009, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Driftertank

I don't like Harleys. I don't like the fact that they're loud, slow, stick stubbornly to outdated technologies, and when they DO put something on it that's newer than 50's tech, they try to hide it. I don't like the 1%-ers, I don't like the armies of wanna-be-1%-er yuppie scum trash trying to come across as tough and devil-may-care during the 2 hours they can get away from both the office AND the wife. I don't like the people going out and spending more than I make in a year to cover an overpriced turd with acres of chrome customization so they can proclaim to the world that they don't care what the world thinks, they are unique...just like everyone else. I hate the image of Harley, and the legions of mindless me-too's who line up to fork over their cash for the "Harley image"

So much hate so little time,I don't think you'd know a turd from a candy bar.

winter rules · 07-17-2009, 11:11 PM

I think it is funny how a harley owner will spend thousands to make their bike look like something not HD, and metric owners spend the same to make their bike look and sound like a HD. Is it just me or should they just go buy the brand they are trying to make their bike into and save a lot of money?

HD has one sticker/ saying that I agree with SCREW IT LETS RIDE....

Driftertank · 07-17-2009, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Y2K

So much hate so little time,I don't think you'd know a turd from a candy bar.

Maybe that explains that odd taste I've had all day...

Read the whole thing, I don't hate Harleys. I hate the IMAGE of harleys. The company itself is a ridiculously good model of effective marketing and demographic understanding 99% of the time.

I just have no desire to be a part of that "family."

But in the end, a bike's a bike, and I'll ride with anyone, or anything, until they give me good reason not to.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by Driftertank

Read the whole thing, I don't hate Harleys. I hate the IMAGE of harleys.

Oh I did,I just disagree with most all of it,for instance Harleys are not loud,aftermarket exhaust is loud whether it's on a Harley or a Honda.

What exactly is the image of Harleys? sounds like stereotypical crapola to me.
I ride a full on touring bike,hardly look like a Hells Angel if that's what you're aiming at.
The XR1200 flatrack inspired Sportster,how about that does it fit your mythical Harley image"
Or maybe the overhead cam,water cooled V-Rod?
Not every Harley model is chopper inspired and not every Harley rider is a wanabe poser,quite the contrary.
The 1% are just that 1% and the wannabes are but a tiny fraction as well,they may stand out but judging us all by them is a fallacy.

Maybe the problem is just that you have a tunnel vision view of Harley riders all being Joe poser bar stool bikers with a Softail parked out front of the bar.
I got news for ya,for every one of them there are 100 of us out riding our bikes that don't give two shits about image,we just like the bikes and like riding them.
Slow? who needs to go over 120 mph or less than 13 seconds in the quarter mile just to ride,if you like faster that's fine but it really isn't necessary on public roads is it.
"stick stubbornly to outdated technologies"? do you feel the same way about BMW boxers or Moto Guzzi V-twins? where's all the hate for them?
There is a lot to be liked about classic designs that are simple and reliable.
I don't need antifreeze and will never have a radiator leak or need a new water pump,I never need a valve adjustment,I don't need to tear off a bunch of plastic to change a set of spark plugs or clean my air filter.
I could rebuild the whole top end on a Harley in the time it takes to do a valve adjustment on many of those high tech supper whizzers made today.
I like low maintenance and Harleys are just that,no chain to clean or lube,there's nothing to it keeping one on the road,just change the fluids once in a while,clean the breather and throw a set of spark plugs in every 50K miles or so and ride ride ride.
Maybe new pistons a valve job and new lifters at 100K ( a job so simple on a Harley a trained monkey could do it) then ride another 100K.

"and when they DO put something on it that's newer than 50's tech, they try to hide it"
I have no idea WTF you are talking about here.

"I don't like the people going out and spending more than I make in a year"
What do you care what someone else spends their money on,jealous?
For the record if you look at MSRP pricing Harleys are about the same as similar model metric bikes.
Look at what I posted a few posts back comparing Honda models that are actually higher MSRPs than similar Harleys.
Same goes for the touring bikes,the Electragide starts out lower than the Goldwing,do your homework before you post up a bunch of BS.

Harleys start at $6999,if that's more than you make in a year you better get a new job.

Gusgus · 07-18-2009, 05:06 AM

Show me an add (written or spoken) where hardley sells a, long lasting, best handling, best braking, most powerful, best mileage, or any combination of these attributes.

I'll wait right here......

The only one I have seen is associated with V-rod, the anti-hardly.

Originally Posted by Y2K

Oh I did,I just disagree with most all of it,for instance Harleys are not loud,aftermarket exhaust is loud whether it's on a Harley or a Honda.

What exactly is the image of Harleys? sounds like stereotypical crapola to me.
I ride a full on touring bike,hardly look like a Hells Angel if that's what you're aiming at.
The XR1200 flatrack inspired Sportster,how about that does it fit your mythical Harley image"
Or maybe the overhead cam,water cooled V-Rod?
Not every Harley model is chopper inspired and not every Harley rider is a wanabe poser,quite the contrary.
The 1% are just that 1% and the wannabes are but a tiny fraction as well,they may stand out but judging us all by them is a fallacy.

Maybe the problem is just that you have a tunnel vision view of Harley riders all being Joe poser bar stool bikers with a Softail parked out front of the bar.
I got news for ya,for every one of them there are 100 of us out riding our bikes that don't give two shits about image,we just like the bikes and like riding them.
Slow? who needs to go over 120 mph or less than 13 seconds in the quarter mile just to ride,if you like faster that's fine but it really isn't necessary on public roads is it.
"stick stubbornly to outdated technologies"? do you feel the same way about BMW boxers or Moto Guzzi V-twins? where's all the hate for them?
There is a lot to be liked about classic designs that are simple and reliable.
I don't need antifreeze and will never have a radiator leak or need a new water pump,I never need a valve adjustment,I don't need to tear off a bunch of plastic to change a set of spark plugs or clean my air filter.
I could rebuild the whole top end on a Harley in the time it takes to do a valve adjustment on many of those high tech supper whizzers made today.
I like low maintenance and Harleys are just that,no chain to clean or lube,there's nothing to it keeping one on the road,just change the fluids once in a while,clean the breather and throw a set of spark plugs in every 50K miles or so and ride ride ride.
Maybe new pistons a valve job and new lifters at 100K ( a job so simple on a Harley a trained monkey could do it) then ride another 100K.

"and when they DO put something on it that's newer than 50's tech, they try to hide it"
I have no idea WTF you are talking about here.

"I don't like the people going out and spending more than I make in a year"
What do you care what someone else spends their money on,jealous?
For the record if you look at MSRP pricing Harleys are about the same as similar model metric bikes.
Look at what I posted a few posts back comparing Honda models that are actually higher MSRPs than similar Harleys.
Same goes for the touring bikes,the Electragide starts out lower than the Goldwing,do your homework before you post up a bunch of BS.

Harleys start at $6999,if that's more than you make in a year you better get a new job.

Pointman · 07-18-2009, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Gusgus

Show me an add (written or spoken) where hardley sells a, long lasting, best handling, best braking, most powerful, best mileage, or any combination of these attributes.

Who wants a p.o.s. motorcycle like that? It'd look like a bastardization of every bike out there!

H-D is a separate entity in the motorcycle world- the Alpha motorcycle that all others try to imitate or just hate.

We don't compete- we set the bar in owner loyalty and iconic recognition.

The fact that H-D improves with each new technology every year is ignored by the Hatahs- their angst clouds their intellect..

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/c...p?locale=en_us

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Gusgus

Show me an add (written or spoken) where hardley sells a, long lasting, best handling, best braking, most powerful, best mileage, or any combination of these attributes.

I'll wait right here......

The only one I have seen is associated with V-rod, the anti-hardly.

you have a pretty short attention span dont you

thats not HD, if you want that bike, there are ones out there like that.. they all look the same and last a couple of years, enjoy if thats what your looking for. HD is something totally different than that

Dusten · 07-18-2009, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

you have a pretty short attention span dont you

thats not HD, if you want that bike, there are ones out there like that.. they all look the same and last a couple of years, enjoy if thats what your looking for. HD is something totally different than that

i think he was defending harley. a lot of people claim that harleys dont stop, arent fast, blah blah blah.

he was saying that harley has never once claimed that a majority of their bikes are great handling, superb stopping, straight line rockets. A few models out of the norm are, but the most are not, and that is fine, because people who ride harleys, and most cruisers for that matter didnt buy the bike for its handling, or stopping, or straight line power.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Gusgus

.....

The only one I have seen is associated with V-rod, the anti-hardly.

Last time I checked a V-Rod was a Harley.

As for being "all that" I don't need it to be best at anything,just to be good at everything and the best compromise it can be as all motorcycles are a compromises,there is no such thing as a bike that does everything best and there never will be.
My bike handles just fine,better than most would give it credit for,it's fast enough,brakes well enough gets decent gas mileage and is very comfortable.
If you have any doubts there are members here I have ridden with that should vouch for that,most recently riding to the coast with Nicolaasnf & usmcgunnerm4.
Ask either if I had any trouble keeping up,you can only go so fast on public roads,I know it won't win a race against a sportbike but my point is it handles fine and goes fast enough for what it is and that's all I need.
It has great classic styling so even though it's ten years old it doesn't look dated compared to a newer model.
As for longevity,I see know reason it couldn't last forever,it's been very reliable and it's far more cost effective to maintain and/or repair than most any other make.
Being easy to work on with a multitude of parts available and and having great resale value means it will never be rotting in a junk yard or scrapped out like most Japanese bikes eventually will.
How many riders do you know riding a bike that they bought new who have over 150,000 miles on it and are still running on the original clutch and trans or have never been broken down on the side of the road?
I'd say that's long lasting and reliable,I'd still ride it anywhere with no worries.
Someday I'll get a new one and enjoy all the upgrades over what I have now and they are many,when that day comes I'll get pretty good money out of my old bike despite the high mileage.
Meanwhile I'll keep enjoying the one I have as much or more as any other bike I could possibly own.

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 09:34 AM

people dont seem to get there is more than one type of bike, more than one measure of what is enjoyable on a bike. This site usta at least tolerate cruisers, but now its all full of 20something hate that only have seen one dimention of a motorcycle

cityxslicker · 07-18-2009, 09:50 AM

Name another touring bike with 1800 cc displacement, rubber mounted motor smoothness, air ride suspension, twin Brembo brakes, that has 115 ft/ lbs of tourge, 120 hp, an affective tank range of 280 miles, cruise control, stereo, GPS navigation, that is under 900 pounds and doesnt require a reverse ....

2009 H-D FLTRSE3 CVO Road Glide

ckender · 07-18-2009, 10:35 AM

*yawn*

This shit again?

Wake me when ya'll got your heads outta your asses.

Timebom · 07-18-2009, 10:48 AM

Victory for the win.. I mean Victory! lol , as to the OP, Harley cant fail, they sell too much HD underoos, HD the toilet paper, and HD the flame thrower.. the kiddys love that one.

So like 70~75% of HD revenue is not from the bikes, so till people stop dressing their toddlers like there dogs (have seen the matching HD outfits) the company will be around.

However, when I buy a American bike, it will be a Victory, just like em better.. but not enough yet as I am always drawn back to Italian style and design.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by cityxslicker

Name another touring bike with 1800 cc displacement, rubber mounted motor smoothness, air ride suspension, twin Brembo brakes, that has 115 ft/ lbs of tourge, 120 hp, an affective tank range of 280 miles, cruise control, stereo, GPS navigation, that is under 900 pounds and doesnt require a reverse ....

2009 H-D FLTRSE3 CVO Road Glide

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 11:06 AM

^^ sweeeet ride!


07-17-2009, 09:02 AM	#42
skewterdewd Training Wheels Joined: Oct 2007 From: Portland Oregon I Ride: slowly, but with ferocity.	They'll weather it, as they have for decades. That company hasn't survived this long by accident. There's always going to be some chunk of the market that wants a Harley, and only a Harley, warts and all. As an American, I hope they make it all the way back. As a consumer, I hope people have a chance to buy a hog, if that's what they want. As a rider of bikes, feh. I couldn't care less. Sport Bikes v Hawgs? pointless drivel. Which is more fun? the tall blonde, the curvy brunette, or the crazy redhead? I'm just sayin. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-17-2009, 09:32 AM	#44
Pavin Zone Head Joined: Jun 2006 From: Whidbey Island I Ride: 07 drz400, 05 fz6	i guess i just need to ride one someday. i really dont have an issue about the technology in itself, the problem i have is the extreme price. it certainly appears people are paying an extra 5-10k for the harley name and image and nothing more. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-17-2009, 12:04 PM	#50
Timebom Pit Crew Joined: May 2006 From: Ellensburg I Ride: A Flock of Guzzi and a Mad Kow!!	Victory is a nice American assembled bike too. And Shrek x, why dont you own a HD? Just wondering as you seem to really like them but ride a bike also assembled in the USA. I just love to harass HD posers who claim its a "all American bike" till i ask them who made certain parts and what size forks are in them. hmmmm millimeters are the new American measurement? lol I do however hangout with some old greybeard "Harley Riders" . They have NEVER said that their HD was better than any other bike, just that the HD was Their ride. I respect that. I do find it interesting that most the greybeards that prefer performance go to S&S motors and toss the lumps that were in there. Do I claim my bikes are better than HD's? Well when i was part of a motorcycle club, my 5 yr old piece of crap Russian bike was the only bike allowed in the Mall Bike Shows with out a cookie sheet under it because it wouldnt leak a drop of oil. Even the brand new HDs leaked.. lol I guess I have more of a problem with riders who think that HD is the god brand of bikes, its that attitude that rubs me the wrong way. I mainly ride guzzi, have owned many and currently own one with over 110,000 miles on it. Guzzi is a far from perfect bike but I enjoy em and ride em as well as the other brands in my garage, including Ural. lol Of course I do smile at fond memories of spanking Harleys with my poor little "get a real bike" 1988 750 magna cruiser.. But hell, I will wave to everyone on the road because they are just as likely to be killed by the 1/2 blind 78yr old guy who makes a left turn with out signaling... or the lady who didn't stop at the stop light because she was painting her nails and didn't notice the bike stopped at the light.... Remember 68% of all Harleys are still on the road, the rest made it home. LOL __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-17-2009, 07:46 PM	#53
91gsxr Newbie Joined: Jun 2009 From: Spanaway, WA	If Harley was actually competitive with their prices they wouldnt be having problems. Heres an example, NOS VTX 1800's can be found for 8k, new VTX 1300's for 9k the average softail starts at 16k. With the current state of the economy people are going to take that into consideration now more than ever. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-17-2009, 10:01 PM	#58
Nefarious Superbiker Joined: Jan 2009 From: Bremerton Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: 03 SV650 (Track) 03 SV1000S (Street)	I love knocking harley riders, I really do and here's why. A HUGE percentage of modern Harley riders are yuppy assholes who are pretending to be tough for the weekend. If it rains they run, if their bike gets dust on it the world has ended.. Blah blah blah... typical knocks.. However I've ridden with quite a few people that have Harleys with more mileage then my SV will ever see (It's at 50,000 right now) that run like they just came out of the showroom. I seriously think that It's some sort of Trend with sport bikers to randomly whine about how Harleys break down all the time, because every Harley that any friend of mine has ever owned that has been properly maintained has run like a top, period end of story. It's like a giant brown snowball of bullshit, hell I guarantee you there are people on this forum that have shit talked Harleys after having ridden all of what? 500 miles on their (Insert Jap bike here) in their life? It's a ridiculous lame pissing contest, ride to ride or shut the fuck up I really really really would hate to see Harley go under, there is WAY too much history behind the company and the "tradition" of American motorcycling. Disclaimer If anyone ever pulls this post out to point out I've defended Harley' I'll straight up deny it and say I was high as shit. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter* Last edited by Nefarious; 07-17-2009 at 10:03 PM..

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07-17-2009, 10:38 PM	#65
Driftertank Superbiker Joined: Jul 2008 From: Assorted Locations, WA Blog Entries: 6 I Ride: Nekkid!!!	I don't like Harleys. I don't like the fact that they're loud, slow, stick stubbornly to outdated technologies, and when they DO put something on it that's newer than 50's tech, they try to hide it. I don't like the 1%-ers, I don't like the armies of wanna-be-1%-er yuppie scum trash trying to come across as tough and devil-may-care during the 2 hours they can get away from both the office AND the wife. I don't like the people going out and spending more than I make in a year to cover an overpriced turd with acres of chrome customization so they can proclaim to the world that they don't care what the world thinks, they are unique...just like everyone else. I hate the image of Harley, and the legions of mindless me-too's who line up to fork over their cash for the "Harley image" But I love the fact that Harley is still an AUTHENTIC american company. I love the fact that they take pride in their heritage. I love the fact that they understand what people want, and give it to them. I love the fact that there is NO OTHER BIKE ON THE PLANET that everyone can identify, even if they know absolutely NOTHING about motorcycles. I love the fact that it draws so many to this great sport, this passion, and involves new people all the time. I love the fact that it is a company with a passion for what it makes. At the end of the day, Harley-Davidson DEFINES a genre. If you roll up on a cruiser, no matter what make, 75% of the uninformed will call it a Harley. It is THE American Motorcycle, for better or worse, and I don't see them going away anytime soon. 'Course, I don't see ME owning one anytime soon either. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-17-2009, 11:11 PM	#67
winter rules Pit Crew Joined: Apr 2007 From: spokane wa I Ride: 1997 cbr 600f3, kx 500	I think it is funny how a harley owner will spend thousands to make their bike look like something not HD, and metric owners spend the same to make their bike look and sound like a HD. Is it just me or should they just go buy the brand they are trying to make their bike into and save a lot of money? HD has one sticker/ saying that I agree with SCREW IT LETS RIDE.... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-18-2009, 09:34 AM	#75
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	people dont seem to get there is more than one type of bike, more than one measure of what is enjoyable on a bike. This site usta at least tolerate cruisers, but now its all full of 20something hate that only have seen one dimention of a motorcycle __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Shrek X; 07-18-2009 at 09:56 AM..


07-18-2009, 09:50 AM	#76
cityxslicker Superbiker Joined: Nov 2007 From: Silverdale, Wa I Ride: Buell XB9SX City-X	Name another touring bike with 1800 cc displacement, rubber mounted motor smoothness, air ride suspension, twin Brembo brakes, that has 115 ft/ lbs of tourge, 120 hp, an affective tank range of 280 miles, cruise control, stereo, GPS navigation, that is under 900 pounds and doesnt require a reverse .... 2009 H-D FLTRSE3 CVO Road Glide __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-18-2009, 10:35 AM	#77
ckender Streetfighter Joined: Apr 2007 From: the corner of "No" and "Where" I Ride: '94 Kawasaki EL 250, '07 HD XL883R	yawn This shit again? Wake me when ya'll got your heads outta your asses. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-18-2009, 10:48 AM	#78
Timebom Pit Crew Joined: May 2006 From: Ellensburg I Ride: A Flock of Guzzi and a Mad Kow!!	Victory for the win.. I mean Victory! lol , as to the OP, Harley cant fail, they sell too much HD underoos, HD the toilet paper, and HD the flame thrower.. the kiddys love that one. So like 70~75% of HD revenue is not from the bikes, so till people stop dressing their toddlers like there dogs (have seen the matching HD outfits) the company will be around. However, when I buy a American bike, it will be a Victory, just like em better.. but not enough yet as I am always drawn back to Italian style and design. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-18-2009, 11:06 AM	#80
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	^^ sweeeet ride! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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