PNW Riders

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by ckender

*yawn*

This shit again?

Wake me when ya'll got your heads outta your asses.

I hear ya

Kresto · 07-18-2009, 11:15 AM

I had one of these as a kid

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

^^ sweeeet ride!

Yeah they are but at least on the CVOs I won't deny that I think they are overpriced.
I'd still love to have one except I'd go with the SE Electraglide,never liked the fixed fairing dual headlight look and I'm well accustomed to the bat wing having owned two so far.
For my money I'd rather buy a Standard or Classic then have the motor built to SE specs or the equivalent.
Less fancy chrome and what not but I don't need that stuff and would rather spend the money on lots of new tires.

cityxslicker · 07-18-2009, 11:49 AM

Kresto, ... sweeet ride. perfect for pit bikin or RV campin, why let just the kids have all the fun.

Theres a whole host of 50-125cc's that I would love to get my hands on.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Kresto

I had one of these as a kid

Sweet!
I had to go with one of these since those weren't around yet back in '66.

eseeray26 · 07-18-2009, 11:58 AM

I would like to say since I started this thread that I have nothing against Harley cycles I am not a hater of the brand they are not the type of bike that I want at this point in my life I do however beleive that like GM they have a market that is likely to remain fairley small in comparison and that they really should use their excellent knowledge and create a bike that suites other spectrums of the market for example they made a duel sport for the military that really should have seen some time on the open market I do think they should explore a new era of the industry I dont think there is anything wrong at all with haveing a bike or three in their lineup that doesnt fit the expectations of the harley lovers I do not think they should stop making what thay have but adding to it is only smart business and they could really be the best in the industry if they would explore other groups of riders I know for a fact that if they came out with a good sport bike allot of people would like to see it and try it and if they had a good duel sport they would see interest from that market its time to grow not shut more people out

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 11:58 AM

^^ I had one of those... kidna

is that the one with the brake that was a metal flap that pressed against the back tire?

EDIT: nevermind, I see the brake on that one, mine had a metal flap on the tire for a brake

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by eseeray26

I would like to say since I started this thread that I have nothing against Harley cycles I am not a hater of the brand they are not the type of bike that I want at this point in my life I do however beleive that like GM they have a market that is likely to remain fairley small in comparison and that they really should use their excellent knowledge and create a bike that suites other spectrums of the market for example they made a duel sport for the military that really should have seen some time on the open market I do think they should explore a new era of the industry I dont think there is anything wrong at all with haveing a bike or three in their lineup that doesnt fit the expectations of the harley lovers I do not think they should stop making what thay have but adding to it is only smart business and they could really be the best in the industry if they would explore other groups of riders I know for a fact that if they came out with a good sport bike allot of people would like to see it and try it and if they had a good duel sport they would see interest from that market its time to grow not shut more people out

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http://www.buell.com/en_us/

think thats what your looking for.

saying HD should make a sport bike (or something out of their market segment) is like saying Cadillac should make a econobox hybrid. Its not their market, buell does that and that is a part of HD corperate.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

^^ I had one of those... kidna

is that the one with the brake that was a metal flap that pressed against the back tire?

Gosh, I sold it 40 years ago this summer and bought a used Honda 90 so I'm not sure but I think it did.
It was a 1966 Bonanza just like the one in the pic.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

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http://www.buell.com/en_us/

think thats what your looking for.

saying HD should make a sport bike (or something out of their market segment) is like saying Cadillac should make a econobox hybrid. Its not their market, buell does that and that is a part of HD corperate.

And that's not to mention they own MV/Cagiva too.

Nefarious · 07-18-2009, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by cityxslicker

Name another touring bike with 1800 cc displacement, rubber mounted motor smoothness, air ride suspension, twin Brembo brakes, that has 115 ft/ lbs of tourge, 120 hp, an affective tank range of 280 miles, cruise control, stereo, GPS navigation, that is under 900 pounds and doesnt require a reverse ....

2009 H-D FLTRSE3 CVO Road Glide

Because spending $30,000 on a motorcycle is totally reasonable. Given the choice between that behemoth and a BMW K1200 LT I'll go with the BMW every single time. Only $20,000 AND it has reverse!

Originally Posted by Shrek X

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http://www.buell.com/en_us/

think thats what your looking for.

saying HD should make a sport bike (or something out of their market segment) is like saying Cadillac should make a econobox hybrid. Its not their market, buell does that and that is a part of HD corperate.

You guys are starting to sound like you don't believe your own arguments, stop fueling the fire.

Harley has a hell of a racing history not to have a sport bike, it is something that has always bugged me about them.

And your Analogy is pretty meh, It's like saying Cadillac should make a sports car..

Oh wait

They do..

Two of them...

You Harley guys sure do love adding fuel to a fire that you claim to be sick and tired of.

If you want to talk about awesome harleys, don't try and shove yuppie mobiles (And that is exactly what a $30,000 cruiser is.. a yuppie mobile) down people's throats, talk about a 50's Hydra Glide or a 57' panhead..
Throw a classic bike in their face.. geeze

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 12:17 PM

^^ you obviously dont get it, and thats ok...

91gsxr · 07-18-2009, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Y2K

Harley 1200 Customs start at $9999 and 96" Dynas at $11,999.
Those are lower MSRPs than both the VTX1300 and VTX1800.
Both have far better resale value than the VTX Hondas or any of the other Japanese V-Twin cruisers,I don't see that the price is a big issue.
In the long run if you keep a bike more than a year or two you'll come out better money wise buying a Harley than just about any other machine of any kind.
As for H-D being in trouble,their sales are down less than the market in general so it's also a non issue other than the economy generally sucking.
Sales are down across the board of all makes so keep it in context.
I plan on buying a new bike as soon as things get better,had planned on getting a 2010 model ten years to the day from buying my last new bike but now I have had to put that thought out of my mind and wait for better times.
My bike only has 156,000 miles on it so I can live with it a few more years.

So what you are saying is that I can get a Sportster for 2k more than a VTX 1800 which South Bound Honda has for 7995.00 or a 1300 for 8995.00. I'm 6'4" and 260lbs isnt really gonna happen and I have tried.
As for the Dyna's I would personally own one before a Softail but the only thing you can compare style wise to the VTX's or Star's is the Softail and yes style is the main seller of these bikes.
You can go into any Metric shop and can get both anyday of the week for way below MSRP. Harley on the other hand not so much.
I dont know very many people that by a motorcycle for the resale value I know I dont so I cant comment on that.
For keeping it in context I thought the subject of this was the low sales and possible "bailout" by the feds for Harley and the trouble they were in. I do understand the fact that all the markets are in trouble but the original post was about Harley, not everybody. Forgive me from not straying from the original subject.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by eseeray26

I would like to say since I started this thread that I have nothing against Harley cycles I am not a hater of the brand they are not the type of bike that I want at this point in my life I do however beleive that like GM they have a market that is likely to remain fairley small in comparison and that they really should use their excellent knowledge and create a bike that suites other spectrums of the market for example they made a duel sport for the military that really should have seen some time on the open market I do think they should explore a new era of the industry I dont think there is anything wrong at all with haveing a bike or three in their lineup that doesnt fit the expectations of the harley lovers I do not think they should stop making what thay have but adding to it is only smart business and they could really be the best in the industry if they would explore other groups of riders I know for a fact that if they came out with a good sport bike allot of people would like to see it and try it and if they had a good duel sport they would see interest from that market its time to grow not shut more people out

Believe me the bean counters have looked at it for years and they did break into that market scenario with limited success in the '60s and '70's after buying Aermacchhi (now Cagiva and again H-D owned) and building lightweights in Italy till the big Japanese companies started dumping product at cost or below cost in the US to gain market share and squash the H-D attempt at being in their market stronghold.
To be fair the Japanese bikes were not just cheap but also well built,even after tariffs were put in place H-D could not effectively compete in those markets for a variety of reasons.
Labor unions,govt mandates etc etc etc,the bikes weren't bad but were at best mediocre and they cost more than the imports from Japan.
They are quite collectible these days,wish I had a couple of these.

Nefarious · 07-18-2009, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

^^ you obviously dont get it, and thats ok...

No... YOU don't get it hell you ride a VTX while trumping up a $30,000 Harley. If you ACTUALLY believed half the crap you spew to stir the pot about Harley you'd be riding one, period end of story.

The new Harley's are 100% geared towards guys who wear suits for a living that need to feel tough on the weekend.

Air Right Suspension? Are you fucking kidding me?

Yeah I don't get it.. you talk about the iconic Harley image but you need $20,000 worth of extra crap to sell your idea of a Harley..

While you're playing with your GPS and adjusting your air ride, I'd rather be out on the road on a '47 knucklehead that I restored myself..

^^ Did NOT restore that bike

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 12:37 PM

EIDT: sweet ride, sorry HD doest live up to your expectations. as for my X, yea, I chose that. HD was close when I was picking, as was a blackbird, this one just worked out. They are always on the short list when I am buying.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by 91gsxr

For keeping it in context I thought the subject of this was the low sales and possible "bailout" by the feds for Harley and the trouble they were in. I do understand the fact that all the markets are in trouble but the original post was about Harley, not everybody. Forgive me from not straying from the original subject.

My point was a counter point to the price remark and in context to that post.
I don't buy a bike strictly for resale value but I think it's foolish not to give it consideration unless you plan to keep it forever and we all know most import buyers don't keep their bikes long term.
Buy a VTX rather than a Softail,keep it ten years or two years either way you'll loose big on resale or trade in value.
Whatever you saved by not buying a Harley you will have lost in depreciation so what I'm saying is the price difference is irrelevant.
As for a bailout of Harley I've heard no such talk and the numbers clearly show they have suffered less in this economy than the others have and that they are still the king of American sales in the heavy weight segment of the market.
Every H-D hater just loves to jump at a chance to bash H-D at the first sign of any negative press and soon the rumor mill goes into full production of Harley's impending demise.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Nefarious

The new Harley's are 100% geared towards guys who wear suits for a living that need to feel tough on the weekend.

That's not why I bought one and for the record I don't even own a suite.

Nefarious · 07-18-2009, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Y2K

That's not why I bought one and for the record I don't even own a suite.

You are in a completely different category then Shrekkers here.

And who they are being marketed too doesn't mean that's the only type of person that buys them.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Nefarious

You are in a completely different category then Shrekkers here.

And who they are being marketed too doesn't mean that's the only type of person that buys them.

Maybe so but they are not 100% being marketed to the billy bad as wanna be's as you say.
Yes they have plenty of bikes to offer that crowd and they do well in that niche,it's just smart money to capitalize on the mystique created by the outlaw biker culture and the fact that they ride H-D almost exclusively.
They also market to touring riders like me and make no mistake about it the Electras,Road Kings and RoadGlides etc. are top selling bikes in that category.
They are not the bikes O'l Billy BA is interested in.
They also market heavily to women and do quite well in that market.
Billy won't much care for most of the standard Sportster line up especially the XR1200,that is yet another market niche.
Then there is the V-Rod muscle cruiser and the Heritage Classic nostalgia(we cant all restore a Knuckle) bikes neither of which fit O'l Billy either so your 100% statement just doesn't hold water.

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Nefarious

You are in a completely different category then Shrekkers here.

And who they are being marketed too doesn't mean that's the only type of person that buys them.

oh do tell me about me

Nefarious · 07-18-2009, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

oh do tell me about me

For starters, he actually rides a Harley

And Y2K:

I'm well aware that applying the % of 100 to any argument is ridiculous, however with the amount of unfounded conjecture in this thread being thrown around on both sides of the fence I assumed that it was acceptable.

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Nefarious

For starters, he actually rides a Harley

so only current HD owners can participate? and your shutting up when?

Nefarious · 07-18-2009, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

so only current HD owners can participate? and your shutting up when?

I'm not the one blahing about how amazing modern Harleys are and how awesome their $30,000 couch on wheels is

I mean you've taken multiple shots at metrics in this thread.. AND YOU RIDE ONE!

I actually got dicked out of a deal on a 57 found in a barn in AZ about 2 years ago. Seems like every time I take a shot at getting my hands on a bike to restore it poofs.

You however apparently made the conscious decision to buy a Honda instead.. because it was easier to put a big back tire on?

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Nefarious

I'm not the one blahing about how amazing modern Harleys are and how awesome their $30,000 couch on wheels is

I mean you've taken multiple shots at metrics in this thread.. AND YOU RIDE ONE!

I actually got dicked out of a deal on a 57 found in a barn in AZ about 2 years ago. Seems like every time I take a shot at getting my hands on a bike to restore it poofs.

You however apparently made the conscious decision to buy a Honda instead.. because it was easier to put a big back tire on?

easier and cheaper at the time, yea. what can I say, I am a bike slut, I like em all

currently kinda lookin out for a SM if you run across anything

Nefarious · 07-18-2009, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

easier and cheaper at the time, yea. what can I say, I am a bike slut, I like em all

Totally acceptable answer!

Originally Posted by Shrek X

currently kinda lookin out for a SM if you run across anything

Will do.. I drool at bikes for sale quite often, wife is apparently against me getting a cruiser or an SM atm.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Nefarious

And Y2K:

I'm well aware that applying the % of 100 to any argument is ridiculous, however with the amount of unfounded conjecture in this thread being thrown around on both sides of the fence I assumed that it was acceptable.

Nah.....on second thought never mind,I think I'll put the suit in the closet and go for a ride,later!

Gusgus · 07-18-2009, 02:04 PM

First off Nef is 100% correct as far as I am concerned. The percentage of wanna be tough guys own Harleys, pittbulls and/or get as many tats as possible so they can walk around with their sleeves rolled up to impress everyone. I am one who is not one bit impressed by any of this childish behavior.

Hardley has created a marketing camapign which is incredible. The bike is not the issue with me. it is the average rider of the rondel which makes me want to gag.

My point is they have never sold a bike, they sold a lifestyle, period. Never needing to resort to addressing their strengths or failures, instead only addressing how it will make you look, riding a dream. Come on, you know it is true that most the buyers of the crap with harley on it are fools.

Buy the way this (to me) is the ugliest bike I have ever known, even more than the ugliest BMW. It looks like a dog with it's back legs broken and dragging it's ass.

Originally Posted by Y2K

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Gusgus

First off Nef is 100% correct as far as I am concerned. The percentage of wanna be tough guys own Harleys, pittbulls and/or get as many tats as possible so they can walk around with their sleeves rolled up to impress everyone. I am one who is not one bit impressed by any of this childish behavior.

Hardley has created a marketing camapign which is incredible. The bike is not the issue with me. it is the average rider of the rondel which makes me want to gag.

your right, sport bike riders are pure, they only ride to ride, they dont care about image at all

every post ever for any bike that has ever been posted here... first comments are "damn that looks __________ ". The same with gear, plastics, or any other accessory you to name.... what a load of shit, trying to call out posers

Nefarious · 07-18-2009, 02:38 PM

Nefarious · 07-18-2009, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

your right, sport bike riders are pure, they only ride to ride, they dont care about image at all

Since we are just posting silly pics now.

Gusgus · 07-18-2009, 02:50 PM

Hum, I didn't know this thread included sport bikes.

You're sure touchy about Harleys are you?

Do you really want to jack this thread with a discussion about sportbikes?

I stand firm and feel fine about my post.

Having owned 3 hardleys I know how the company treats it's rondel owners, how the group mentality is taught, carried and used to cause hate and how others perceive Hardley owners.

It is a caustic existance and the bunched panties everytime an anti hardley statement is spoken proves my point each and every time.

Grow up and understand it isn't the bike I attacked, it is an average wanna be tough guy. Most being wanna be's, not able to actually take the time away from life to be what they think they are or want to be. They might actually be able with enough prep, but posers would be a better description.

Angry asshats on hardleys calling names, creating hate and divisive motorcycle atitudes with no reason except a Stringcheese like superiority complex used as the reason.

Any time you wish, call my motorcycle any name you wish. Say I am an asshat for owning one, everyone could join in, I DON"T CARE! This is how men of charactor react. It doesn't matter. Why does it matter to harley owners?

Because they (not all but enough to cause this belief)
bought one to prove something to others, which isn't necessarily true.

This is why (100% why) I don't like Harleys!

Originally Posted by Shrek X

your right, sport bike riders are pure, they only ride to ride, they dont care about image at all

every post ever for any bike that has ever been posted here... first comments are "damn that looks __________ ". The same with gear, plastics, or any other accessory you to name.... what a load of shit, trying to call out posers

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 03:01 PM

well Gusss, not sure where you rode, or how you picked who you ride with... but having been around all types of bikes (HD, Sporties and Dirt mostly, not much touring, but there usually hard to talk to because they are doing some ironbut ride)... I can say that no matter what segment, the proportion of asswipe to good people is very similar. I would say HD has more professionals and older riders, which makes sense because the price of a nice HD is higher, sportbikes are definitely full of younger people trying to determine who they are. perhaps you should come hang with the people I do and see if they aren't good people.

but the proportoins are right on par.

Mitch F · 07-18-2009, 03:05 PM

Do you know why Harley is in deep financial shit and Suzuki, Ducati, Honda etc. are not? For the same reason that GM is so screwed. And it shouldn't be any big mystery.

Want a couple hints?
-It's not because their product is "inferior" mechanically (although that could be argued

)
-It's not because people don't want or like them

That's right, it's because they're OVERPRICED for what you're getting. Just like GM makes a damn good product (albeit a bit less reliable), Harley makes a damn good product as well (if that's what you're looking for). However, asking $15k for a 2009 V-Rod, their "performance" machine is ridiculous. Of course, I equate V-Rods to Acura Integras with giant wings and body kits. IT'S NOT FUCKING FAST SO STOP TRYING. Or, maybe I should say, START trying.

Or maybe the V-Rod's not your thing. So you could pay what, $20k for a new FLXH? Why pay for a Harley when you could get a new V-Star with all the factory doo-dads from someone who has built a reputation for being reliable (among other things), and save $5k+?

That's a lot of money! That will buy you 100 lbs. of chrome AND a pair of those STUUUPID fucking ape hangers. You may even have some spare change for a super-duper-badass Harley Davidson leather vest so you can cruise in style, protecting those organs you obviously don't find very vital, while still showing off your skull and crossbone tattoos. Now what's not to like about that?

There will always be a market for Harleys unfortunately. They're not leaving us, or at least not yet. But thank GOD they're getting a bail out. I mean, imagine a failing company having to actually use new technology, study their market and create a better product for less money. Wouldn't that be just terrible?

God bless America, and it's stubborn 20th century manufacturing.

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 03:09 PM

^^ where did you get they were in trouble?

and you obviously posted without reading the thread, the price thing has been addressed quite well by cs --- your assertions fail

91gsxr · 07-18-2009, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Y2K

My point was a counter point to the price remark and in context to that post.
I don't buy a bike strictly for resale value but I think it's foolish not to give it consideration unless you plan to keep it forever and we all know most import buyers don't keep their bikes long term.
Buy a VTX rather than a Softail,keep it ten years or two years either way you'll loose big on resale or trade in value.
Whatever you saved by not buying a Harley you will have lost in depreciation so what I'm saying is the price difference is irrelevant.
As for a bailout of Harley I've heard no such talk and the numbers clearly show they have suffered less in this economy than the others have and that they are still the king of American sales in the heavy weight segment of the market.
Every H-D hater just loves to jump at a chance to bash H-D at the first sign of any negative press and soon the rumor mill goes into full production of Harley's impending demise.

Thank you for the clarification of the context remark.
Im assuming then money i would save plus the price of the sell that would enable me to go buy a new bike with out financing? If so the price of a new Harley really isnt justified in my opinion. Especially when the re-sell value of metric bikes are 1 or 2 thousand less than a new bike. The re-sell value of metric bikes has increased greatly over the years.
You are correct on the bailout. Thats purely speculative.
I am by no means a "hater" (been riding for 20 years and my Gixx is the first non Harley i have owned) i just believe that Harley's prices are not cometitive with comparable metric probucts. If they wish to market their products to the sub-45 year old market and to women they need to re-evalute their prices and their marketing.

Why is it when someone questions Harley's prices or bikes they are instantley "haters"? Never really understood this.

cityxslicker · 07-18-2009, 03:23 PM

Oh we can play this game all day.
The CVO got thrown into the mix because someone said that the Harley couldnt be the best in class in braking, performance, fuel economy yadda yadda except for the Vrod.

I do grow tired of the H-D hasnt changed their bikes since 1937 banter (patend bs)

It boils down to, buy what you like, spend your money where you want, but dont try and tell me wherez I can spend mine, or what I should spend it on.

There isnt one perfect bike, the answer is a garage full of them. The only thing better than that is a harem full of hot betties.

Gusgus · 07-18-2009, 03:25 PM

I would contest your percentages as looking at the wave for example. I ride a cruiser (argue-able) and harleys won't even wave back at me. Is it brand mentality, Hell yes it is!

Sporties wave ever time, if I see them quickly enough to wave. ( I know they must include me with hardly riders as I miss so many) But, I enjoy waving, and being a happy rider, this is the main reason I will never own a Hardley again. Anger piss's me off!

I have ridden with DS guys for the last 8 or so years, in general (of course) this is the most happy and friendly bunch out there. I would guess 99% of the hundreds I have met are great people.

That said Harley riders across this nation suck (again in general.) I have ridden most of the 50 states on harleys and on (old) sports bikes, and DS. I just returned from Georgia, I met thousands of bikes on the road. The Hardley riders were mean, would cut off others, flip people off and yell as if they owned the world. I was on the dragon and was first on the scene of a lady crashing her brand new soft tail. I was treated like shit because I was on a suzuki. Fucktards all of them! I removed rocks from her forearm and her face until I was called names and asked to leave.

Shrek, I really don't assume all Hardley or cruiser riders are asshats, but they are easy to see and quickly known to be exactly what they are. My best friend in Alaska, actually dated Ann Davidson, and is on the list of free bikes where ever he travels. All he rides are Hardleys. We have been friends for 30 years. He is a nice guy, an honest guy and knows the Harley posers have ruined the motorcycling community through separatistic bullshit.

Originally Posted by Shrek X

well Gusss, not sure where you rode, or how you picked who you ride with... but having been around all types of bikes (HD, Sporties and Dirt mostly, not much touring, but there usually hard to talk to because they are doing some ironbut ride)... I can say that no matter what segment, the proportion of asswipe to good people is very similar. I would say HD has more professionals and older riders, which makes sense because the price of a nice HD is higher, sportbikes are definitely full of younger people trying to determine who they are. perhaps you should come hang with the people I do and see if they aren't good people.

but the proportoins are right on par.

Nefarious · 07-18-2009, 03:27 PM

I went out on a ride with a guy on a Harley earlier in the week..

We stopped for pie.

AND THE FUCKER ATE CAKE

Talk about brand mentality.

What is that shit?

Gusgus · 07-18-2009, 03:32 PM

thread jack

Originally Posted by Nefarious

I went out on a ride with a guy on a Harley earlier in the week..

We stopped for pie.

AND THE FUCKER ATE CAKE

Talk about brand mentality.

What is that shit?


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eseeray26 Endorsed Joined: May 2009 From: Roseburg Or Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: 1978 honda hawk cb400t	I would like to say since I started this thread that I have nothing against Harley cycles I am not a hater of the brand they are not the type of bike that I want at this point in my life I do however beleive that like GM they have a market that is likely to remain fairley small in comparison and that they really should use their excellent knowledge and create a bike that suites other spectrums of the market for example they made a duel sport for the military that really should have seen some time on the open market I do think they should explore a new era of the industry I dont think there is anything wrong at all with haveing a bike or three in their lineup that doesnt fit the expectations of the harley lovers I do not think they should stop making what thay have but adding to it is only smart business and they could really be the best in the industry if they would explore other groups of riders I know for a fact that if they came out with a good sport bike allot of people would like to see it and try it and if they had a good duel sport they would see interest from that market its time to grow not shut more people out __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-18-2009, 11:58 AM	#87
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	^^ I had one of those... kidna is that the one with the brake that was a metal flap that pressed against the back tire? EDIT: nevermind, I see the brake on that one, mine had a metal flap on the tire for a brake __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Shrek X; 07-18-2009 at 12:03 PM..


07-18-2009, 12:17 PM	#92
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	^^ you obviously dont get it, and thats ok... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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07-18-2009, 12:37 PM	#96
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	EIDT: sweet ride, sorry HD doest live up to your expectations. as for my X, yea, I chose that. HD was close when I was picking, as was a blackbird, this one just worked out. They are always on the short list when I am buying. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Shrek X; 07-18-2009 at 12:42 PM..


07-18-2009, 02:38 PM	#110
Nefarious Superbiker Joined: Jan 2009 From: Bremerton Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: 03 SV650 (Track) 03 SV1000S (Street)	__________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-18-2009, 03:01 PM	#113
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	well Gusss, not sure where you rode, or how you picked who you ride with... but having been around all types of bikes (HD, Sporties and Dirt mostly, not much touring, but there usually hard to talk to because they are doing some ironbut ride)... I can say that no matter what segment, the proportion of asswipe to good people is very similar. I would say HD has more professionals and older riders, which makes sense because the price of a nice HD is higher, sportbikes are definitely full of younger people trying to determine who they are. perhaps you should come hang with the people I do and see if they aren't good people. but the proportoins are right on par. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Shrek X; 07-18-2009 at 03:03 PM..


07-18-2009, 03:05 PM	#114
Mitch F Superbiker Joined: Jun 2006 From: The Ham I Ride: too fast to be safe, too slow to be impressive	Do you know why Harley is in deep financial shit and Suzuki, Ducati, Honda etc. are not? For the same reason that GM is so screwed. And it shouldn't be any big mystery. Want a couple hints? -It's not because their product is "inferior" mechanically (although that could be argued ) -It's not because people don't want or like them That's right, it's because they're OVERPRICED for what you're getting. Just like GM makes a damn good product (albeit a bit less reliable), Harley makes a damn good product as well (if that's what you're looking for). However, asking $15k for a 2009 V-Rod, their "performance" machine is ridiculous. Of course, I equate V-Rods to Acura Integras with giant wings and body kits. IT'S NOT FUCKING FAST SO STOP TRYING. Or, maybe I should say, START trying. Or maybe the V-Rod's not your thing. So you could pay what, $20k for a new FLXH? Why pay for a Harley when you could get a new V-Star with all the factory doo-dads from someone who has built a reputation for being reliable (among other things), and save $5k+? That's a lot of money! That will buy you 100 lbs. of chrome AND a pair of those STUUUPID fucking ape hangers. You may even have some spare change for a super-duper-badass Harley Davidson leather vest so you can cruise in style, protecting those organs you obviously don't find very vital, while still showing off your skull and crossbone tattoos. Now what's not to like about that? There will always be a market for Harleys unfortunately. They're not leaving us, or at least not yet. But thank GOD they're getting a bail out. I mean, imagine a failing company having to actually use new technology, study their market and create a better product for less money. Wouldn't that be just terrible? God bless America, and it's stubborn 20th century manufacturing. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-18-2009, 03:09 PM	#115
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	^^ where did you get they were in trouble? and you obviously posted without reading the thread, the price thing has been addressed quite well by cs --- your assertions fail __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-18-2009, 03:23 PM	#117
cityxslicker Superbiker Joined: Nov 2007 From: Silverdale, Wa I Ride: Buell XB9SX City-X	Oh we can play this game all day. The CVO got thrown into the mix because someone said that the Harley couldnt be the best in class in braking, performance, fuel economy yadda yadda except for the Vrod. I do grow tired of the H-D hasnt changed their bikes since 1937 banter (patend bs) It boils down to, buy what you like, spend your money where you want, but dont try and tell me wherez I can spend mine, or what I should spend it on. There isnt one perfect bike, the answer is a garage full of them. The only thing better than that is a harem full of hot betties. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-18-2009, 03:27 PM	#119
Nefarious Superbiker Joined: Jan 2009 From: Bremerton Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: 03 SV650 (Track) 03 SV1000S (Street)	I went out on a ride with a guy on a Harley earlier in the week.. We stopped for pie. AND THE FUCKER ATE CAKE Talk about brand mentality. What is that shit? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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