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cityxslicker · 07-18-2009, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Mitch F

. I mean, imagine a failing company having to actually use new technology, study their market and create a better product for less money. Wouldn't that be just terrible?

God bless America, and it's stubborn 20th century manufacturing.

Name another Motorcycle Company that has, offers and graduates its own Nationally accredited Masters Program for Marketing and Business Management.
They have their marketing, licensing, customer stats laid out to a level that would make any spammer jizd.
For current and returning owners they know who you are , when your birthday is, they know what you own, they know what you have bought in the past 10 years, (cat toys included) if you want to get really paranoid, they can probably predict what color your next bike will be. ;')

For first time buyers, they know when you are coming, what you are buying, how much your going to spend, how long you will keep it, and when you are ready for a new one. Maybe not you personally, but look left, look right, and they have your demographic nailed.

Dont fool yourself, the marketing research machine that is Harley Davidson / Buell, you have no concept of. Lets talk about something you understand, cuz this aint it.

The only other group I know that have it dailed in as well are the morticians & govt spook agencies.

Nefarious · 07-18-2009, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by cityxslicker

For current and returning owners they know who you are , when your birthday is, they know what you own, they know what you have bought in the past 10 years, (cat toys included) if you want to get really paranoid, they can probably predict what color your next bike will be. ;')

I call Bullshit to the extreme with this one, this only applies if you've bought a brand new bike from them in the last 5-10 years. It's a gimmick it's not customer service, it's glancing at a database.

My family has been completely turned off Harley specifically because of the way they treated us as returning customers. Sure it was only three dealerships in the UNited States that we went to and were treated like Yuppy fucking trash, but it was enough to send my father straight to BMW. (He's owned quite a few harleys in his time)

Gusgus · 07-18-2009, 03:53 PM

A good slew of reason to avoid them as well.

None of their business to know what I want!

Fuck them.

Originally Posted by cityxslicker

Name another Motorcycle Company that has, offers and graduates its own Nationally accredited Masters Program for Marketing and Business Management.
They have their marketing, licensing, customer stats laid out to a level that would make any spammer jizd.
For current and returning owners they know who you are , when your birthday is, they know what you own, they know what you have bought in the past 10 years, (cat toys included) if you want to get really paranoid, they can probably predict what color your next bike will be. ;')

For first time buyers, they know when you are coming, what you are buying, how much your going to spend, how long you will keep it, and when you are ready for a new one. Maybe not you personally, but look left, look right, and they have your demographic nailed.

Dont fool yourself, the marketing research machine that is Harley Davidson / Buell, you have no concept of. Lets talk about something you understand, cuz this aint it.

The only other group I know that have it dailed in as well are the morticians & govt spook agencies.

saltlick · 07-18-2009, 03:56 PM

ive owned alot of bikes...ducatis, hondas, harleys.....from sport bike to cruisers and i must say the harley i owned was the most reliable bike i ever had. Any of you haters ever own one? I wouldnt ride one now, cause they aint my style but until youve owned one theres no way you can knock um. They got thier own thing going on just like the other bikes.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

well Gusss, not sure where you rode, or how you picked who you ride with... but having been around all types of bikes (HD, Sporties and Dirt mostly, not much touring, but there usually hard to talk to because they are doing some ironbut ride)... I can say that no matter what segment, the proportion of asswipe to good people is very similar. I would say HD has more professionals and older riders, which makes sense because the price of a nice HD is higher, sportbikes are definitely full of younger people trying to determine who they are. perhaps you should come hang with the people I do and see if they aren't good people.

but the proportoins are right on par.

I would have to agree,certainly the ashatt posers exist on Harleys as described but to say most of us fit that description is just plain wrong.
Obviously Gusgus has some sort of chip on his shoulder and is blinded by all the pent up hate he has inside.
I know lots of Harley riders and most of then are good solid individuals that I'm proud to call my friends.
I don't know any that put down other makes or those that ride them,not to say they don't exist but there are none amongst those that I associate with.
As you point out here the same types exist in any overall group,just look at all the Harley haters and bashers on this forum alone.

I see far more H-D and H-D rider bashing here than I do brand X bashing on all the other Harley and cruiser based forums I go to combined.
I don't know why Harley riders don't wave at Gusgus,maybe he waves first with one finger.

"The wave" subject comes up on just about every bike forum sooner or later just like oil threads lol,far and away most riders post that they wave to all bikes,some post that the don't wave at all to any bikes but I've yet to read a post where anyone said they only wave at other Harleys.
I wave most of the time,usually it's a return wave,doesn't matter what the other rider is on to me and I think I fit the category of "most" within the realm of Harley riders.

cityxslicker · 07-18-2009, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Nefarious

I call Bullshit to the extreme with this one, this only applies if you've bought a brand new bike from them in the last 5-10 years. It's a gimmick it's not customer service, it's glancing at a database.

Each dealer is independently owned and franchised. There are douches everywhere, been to the mall lately? The info is there, what the staff does with it, or fails to do with it is on them. For me it was a gold mine. I sold countless bikes from working that list and data mining it. (over 1200 in a five year period) Referals, Repeats, Networking and Data mining. Walkin customers very rarely. Your next bike is BLUE, its missing you right now

PS, I really wanted that piece of CAKE. Damn heathan that I am

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Nefarious

My family has been completely turned off Harley specifically because of the way they treated us as returning customers. Sure it was only three dealerships in the UNited States that we went to and were treated like Yuppy fucking trash, but it was enough to send my father straight to BMW. (He's owned quite a few harleys in his time)

Well now,dealerships are a whole different topic,you can't really hold Harley accountable for an individual dealer.
Some are good and some aren't, just like car dealers or other motorcycle brand dealers,some even sell multi brands so a dealer is what it is.
When we bought my wife a Ford Mustang a couple years ago we went to a bunch of different dealers,every one was different and some were good and some were down right awful,we still bought a Ford though and have been very happy with it.
I don't see buying a Harley any differently than buying that Ford we bought.

Oh my,what have I done,now I can expect a bunch of Ford bashing,better get my flame suit on.

Y2K · 07-18-2009, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by 91gsxr

Why is it when someone questions Harley's prices or bikes they are instantley "haters"? Never really understood this.

I wasn't necessarily referring to your post,just noting that as soon as there is any negative press or for that mater any press at all involving H-D the bashers come out in force,usually quite nasty too saying what a POS a Harley is yadda yadda and how those that ride them are azzhole posers and on and on.
It's more than questioning much of the time,I don't mind debating the merits of one make over another but the constant bashing gets old after a while especially since most of the bashers know little to nothing about H-D and most have never owned or ridden one.
What I speak of I speak of from the experience of long time ownership and having ridden many many many miles on them.
I've probably put more miles on this one bike alone than most of the bashers have ridden in their whole lives.

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Gusgus

I would contest your percentages as looking at the wave for example. I ride a cruiser (argue-able) and harleys won't even wave back at me. Is it brand mentality, Hell yes it is!

Sporties wave ever time, if I see them quickly enough to wave. ( I know they must include me with hardly riders as I miss so many) But, I enjoy waving, and being a happy rider, this is the main reason I will never own a Hardley again. Anger piss's me off!

I have ridden with DS guys for the last 8 or so years, in general (of course) this is the most happy and friendly bunch out there. I would guess 99% of the hundreds I have met are great people.

That said Harley riders across this nation suck (again in general.) I have ridden most of the 50 states on harleys and on (old) sports bikes, and DS. I just returned from Georgia, I met thousands of bikes on the road. The Hardley riders were mean, would cut off others, flip people off and yell as if they owned the world. I was on the dragon and was first on the scene of a lady crashing her brand new soft tail. I was treated like shit because I was on a suzuki. Fucktards all of them! I removed rocks from her forearm and her face until I was called names and asked to leave.

Shrek, I really don't assume all Hardley or cruiser riders are asshats, but they are easy to see and quickly known to be exactly what they are. My best friend in Alaska, actually dated Ann Davidson, and is on the list of free bikes where ever he travels. All he rides are Hardleys. We have been friends for 30 years. He is a nice guy, an honest guy and knows the Harley posers have ruined the motorcycling community through separatistic bullshit.

I disagree with ya... guess we will just have to leave it at that. We can go story this story that, but were just biased on personal expeirence... Mine has been good all around no matter what I rode or who I was with or who I was talking to, apparently yours wasn't. My experiences have been such your not going to convince me otherwise, and it sounds like visa versa

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Y2K

I see far more H-D and H-D rider bashing here than I do brand X bashing on all the other Harley and cruiser based forums I go to combined.

absolute truth

Pointman · 07-18-2009, 05:53 PM

As always....

Driftertank · 07-18-2009, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by eseeray26

I would like to say since I started this thread that I have nothing against Harley cycles I am not a hater of the brand they are not the type of bike that I want at this point in my life I do however beleive that like GM they have a market that is likely to remain fairley small in comparison and that they really should use their excellent knowledge and create a bike that suites other spectrums of the market for example they made a duel sport for the military that really should have seen some time on the open market I do think they should explore a new era of the industry I dont think there is anything wrong at all with haveing a bike or three in their lineup that doesnt fit the expectations of the harley lovers I do not think they should stop making what thay have but adding to it is only smart business and they could really be the best in the industry if they would explore other groups of riders I know for a fact that if they came out with a good sport bike allot of people would like to see it and try it and if they had a good duel sport they would see interest from that market its time to grow not shut more people out

Sorry mate, but as I pointed out (though it was largely ignored) HD knows how to sell what people want...and people want Harleys. I make fun of their apparent lack of innovation, but the company is built on tradition. It's like the companies that make Shelby Cobra replicas...You can tweak or improve the details, like suspension or engine management, but if you try to change what makes the ESSENCE of the original, it will not sell. Harley cruisers, as classically defined, are air-cooled, pushrod v-twins with a distinctive narrow-vee sound, a soft suspension, and chrome. There are many variations on the theme, but every time The Company has tried to alter that formula, it has been largely ignored and sold poorly. Harleys will always be harleys, and people will always want them.

Gusgus · 07-18-2009, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Y2K

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Obviously Gusgus has some sort of chip on his shoulder and is blinded by all the pent up hate he has inside.

I am not angry or blinded by anything. I am fed up with assholes on Harleys on the road.

With the constant statements which are intended to reduce all other bikes below Harley. Talking out both sides of your mouth is another fantastic trick you seem to ignore.

I don't mind debating the merits of one make over another but the constant bashing gets old after a while especially since most of the bashers know little to nothing about H-D and most have never owned or ridden one.

Uh who is bashing here?

Buy a VTX rather than a Softail,keep it ten years or two years either way you'll loose big on resale or trade in value.
Whatever you saved by not buying a Harley you will have lost in depreciation so what I'm saying is the price difference is irrelevant.
The king of American sales in the heavy weight segment of the market.
Every H-D hater just loves to jump at a chance to bash H-D at the first sign of any negative press and soon the rumor mill goes into full production of Harley's impending demise

American made, my ass!

American assembled, just like Honda!

The reason there are so much anti-harley posts here? I don't wonder, I have seen it on many forums. The reason is that the forums are primarily another style of bikes, like here.

Plus as I and others here have had many experiences where the backside or the negative side (IMO) of the industry is exposed through the antics of Harley riders.

I have not singled out one person here. If you want to be insulted so be it. I am not intentionally insulting anyone here, this is your decision and your rewrite of my words.

I am simply stating facts as I know them to be.

If you want to believe I dislike you or anyone I have never met simply because you/they ride a harley, so be it.
But it isn't so, It isn't true, yet it is possible if you can't accept criticism and laugh it off then you will fall into the hate group as far to many have within the Harley riders.

I don't have any pent up anything, I am in here being me and stating my honest opinion.

I never said one thing against you or about you, you chose to attack me, isn't this exactly what I am saying?

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Gusgus

I don't have any pent up anything,

no, that much is true... you are venting your disdain based on your built up steryotype... not pent up at all

seriously thought dood... need to let it go a bit

Gusgus · 07-18-2009, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

no, that much is true... you are venting your disdain based on your built up steryotype... not pent up at all

seriously thought dood... need to let it go a bit

Ok you tell me, this doesn't bother you?

3 weeks ago, I follow a group of harley's through the dragon in Tennessee. It was a beautiful bike leaving huge trails of sparks on every corner. The SO on the back kept motioning for him to slow down and let him (me) pass and I could hear him saying (clearly) fuck him! Then I found a safe place to pass, no finger, no eye fuck, not even any anger. So I was on my next trip through when the girl crashed right in front of me. She was new on the bike and it was a new bike. She drug some case from the lean and then stood it up and went straight into the bank at about 30 (I guess). I was there quickly, pulled the bike off of her leg. She sat up and was bloody. Her arm looked bad, her beautiful face was torn up pretty well. She asked me to help her remove her bucket, I did and was helping her clean her face and arm when a few other riders arrived. Not one person even nodded a hello, said thanks, asked me anything, rather asked me to move along. Saying something like can you move along?

I walked away and a couple of guys were lifting her bike and trying to push it up out of the ditch. I joined in and we pushed it up on to the road. No acknowledgment that I was even there. I didn't need any, but it signified who I was dealing with. I walked back across and picked up some of the parts to carry across where the bike was in a side turn off. The one guy who took the parts said "we've got it here".

OK? I rode away, blood still on my hands. Wondering if they knew what they just did?

I am not angry, just disappointed. I always (and still do) believed we should be "riders" Not separatists. So Yes, maybe I have decided I can't beat em, I guess I have somehow joined them.

But not as you might believe here in this discussion, we aren't completely able to portray who we really are. But in the make a point scenario, I am fed up with the style / brand BS.

Although I have not in 30 years had a confrontational encounter with a Harley rider, except on the net. Now back when I was riding them, I had a few face to face evenings. Not about bikes though, yet the subject usually began with a B.

Shrek X · 07-18-2009, 09:46 PM

It sounds like your experience isnt limited to HDs, but to a younger genration of riders.

Hi!!!

I agree, there are more jackasses riding today than ever, but there are more riders overall... old riders arent teaching the new riders.

ninja-rida · 07-18-2009, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Gusgus

Ok you tell me, this doesn't bother you?

3 weeks ago, I follow a group of harley's through the dragon in Tennessee. It was a beautiful bike leaving huge trails of sparks on every corner. The SO on the back kept motioning for him to slow down and let him (me) pass and I could hear him saying (clearly) fuck him! Then I found a safe place to pass, no finger, no eye fuck, not even any anger. So I was on my next trip through when the girl crashed right in front of me. She was new on the bike and it was a new bike. She drug some case from the lean and then stood it up and went straight into the bank at about 30 (I guess). I was there quickly, pulled the bike off of her leg. She sat up and was bloody. Her arm looked bad, her beautiful face was torn up pretty well. She asked me to help her remove her bucket, I did and was helping her clean her face and arm when a few other riders arrived. Not one person even nodded a hello, said thanks, asked me anything, rather asked me to move along. Saying something like can you move along?

I walked away and a couple of guys were lifting her bike and trying to push it up out of the ditch. I joined in and we pushed it up on to the road. No acknowledgment that I was even there. I didn't need any, but it signified who I was dealing with. I walked back across and picked up some of the parts to carry across where the bike was in a side turn off. The one guy who took the parts said "we've got it here".

OK? I rode away, blood still on my hands. Wondering if they knew what they just did?

I am not angry, just disappointed. I always (and still do) believed we should be "riders" Not separatists. So Yes, maybe I have decided I can't beat em, I guess I have somehow joined them.

But not as you might believe here in this discussion, we aren't completely able to portray who we really are. But in the make a point scenario, I am fed up with the style / brand BS.

Although I have not in 30 years had a confrontational encounter with a Harley rider, except on the net. Now back when I was riding them, I had a few face to face evenings. Not about bikes though, yet the subject usually began with a B.

I had a similar experience myself Gus. I did the same thing you did and did not really care for a thank you. I would hope someone would do the same for me, if something were to happen (knock on wood)

It does not matter what type of bike the other guy or gal's got, were a minority out there. I will however continue to bash Harley's for kick's

Kresto · 07-18-2009, 10:45 PM

Anyone else want a caramel apple??

Oh, oops..................... you guys continue on, sorry

Gusgus · 07-19-2009, 04:52 AM

I don't see how your conclusion connects to my story. Maybe I missed saying, all riders were on HD and above 30 YO.

I have not had troubles with SB riders or DS riders, except one SB guy with a huge group of HD's (Ohio Motorcops) crashed in NC and I was there after all of his buddies were all there, I was going to take a picture. Man I thought they might actually gang rape me. "NO PICTURES!" Fine I said putting the camera away.

Originally Posted by Shrek X

It sounds like your experience isnt limited to HDs, but to a younger genration of riders.

Hi!!!

I agree, there are more jackasses riding today than ever, but there are more riders overall... old riders arent teaching the new riders.

Gusgus · 07-19-2009, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by ninja-rida

I had a similar experience myself Gus. I did the same thing you did and did not really care for a thank you. I would hope someone would do the same for me, if something were to happen (knock on wood)

It does not matter what type of bike the other guy or gal's got, were a minority out there. I will however continue to bash Harley's for kick's

I agree except it looks to me as if it is brand specific on some level and all HD'rs seem to deny it as if they are somehow being asked to rid themselves of the scourge.

Awareness of any road conditions are important to share, awareness of police for each others ticket costs, awareness of good deals, the best gear, a fine road, a friends help, we watch so many things for each other, yet to deny a simple fact, which has been voiced so often, yet remains ignored and refuted by the ones who could help, is sponsoring its growth.

How is accepting an poor attitude within any specific group helping the motorcycling community?

I don't bash except to increase some awareness. This is not fun, not one bit.

Transported · 07-19-2009, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

^^ HD makes bikes that people want.... maybe not you, but they make sweet sweet rides. I really hope they never make something to appeal to the sport bike crowd, there are 20 somethings tossing those out left and right after using them up. HD makes a bike you keep and enjoy

As the article said, Harley makes bikes that those mostly middle-aged and older want to ride. The young have no interest in them. Like the tobacco industry, Harley has to figure out ways of addicting new riders to its brand or it will eventually get a smaller and smaller market share. And, the V-Rod ain't it.

dragracer1951 · 07-19-2009, 06:11 AM

I believe I read somewhere recently that the cruiser market is the fastest growing segment in motorcycling.
Harley's been here a long time. I'm thinking they are going to be here for a long time to come.
I've ridden Harleys, Indians, Triumphs, BSA's Nortons, MAtchless, AJS Ducati, Yamaha....Yada Yada. They are all motorcycles. They all have two wheels.
They all have different riders though. Some of them stop for riders on the road, some of them don't. I got tired of all the bashing years ago. Ride what ya like. If someone else don't like what I ride...fuck em. I tell em they don't have to ride my bike.

saltlick · 07-19-2009, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by ddonacazx12

Well what I really want is an American made bike that I can enjoy riding... but there is no such thing.

I wish like hell HD would keep the look, but use modern tech to build the bike from the ground up.

Like that new honda wanabe thing (light weight, good handeling, decent brakes, etc...), only with the soul of a HD.

(sigh)

Oh well, wish in one hand... s*** in the other.

CITY: why would I want a buell, thats just another sport bike... and I've already got a great one of those.
Them owning MV is whats so frustrating... they have the know how to build a great modern cruiser, but they choose to keep building boat anchors.... frustrating.
Oh and as to the 1125, you forgot the biggest, fugliest air intakes on the planet.

I HAD a ducati and sold it for a buell, and i couldnt be happier. Handles better, has more get up and go and is a pleasure to ride.

Have you ever owned a buell AND a Ducati or MV so you can even compare? I think its funny alot of people here buy the plastic jap crap and think that flat out speed is what makes a good bike.

Sound off, how many of you here that are bitching about HD have ever OWNED an HD whether it be buell or cruiser? I dont mean just rode your friends bike i mean actually owned one for a few years so you know what your talking about?

Y2K · 07-19-2009, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by dragracer1951

I believe I read somewhere recently that the cruiser market is the fastest growing segment in motorcycling.
Harley's been here a long time. I'm thinking they are going to be here for a long time to come.
I've ridden Harleys, Indians, Triumphs, BSA's Nortons, MAtchless, AJS Ducati, Yamaha....Yada Yada. They are all motorcycles. They all have two wheels.
They all have different riders though. Some of them stop for riders on the road, some of them don't. I got tired of all the bashing years ago. Ride what ya like. If someone else don't like what I ride...fuck em. I tell em they don't have to ride my bike.

Some good stats here.
http://knol.google.com/k/bobbie7/the...yokwucnoqmb/6#

I feel sorry for Gusgus,maybe he's come upon some bad apples on Harleys but I don't care what he says most of the H-D riders out there aren't like that,he's just lucky I guess lol.
I've been snubbed by BMW riders and Honda Riders a couple times at stops here and there but I don't hold it against all of them,I have riding buddies that ride both.
Here's a couple forum links to primarily H-D riders forums.
Surf away,see what the people are like,you won't find a bunch of other brand or rider bashing,in fact many own multi brands and most have owned various bikes over the years.
Some build old Hondas into choppers because that's all they have money for and it's all good.
At least in my experience it's been the same out on the road and that's where you'll find me, waving to,riding with and sharing the road with anyone on two wheels.

http://www.westcoastbikers.com/forums/

http://www.bikersforums.net/forums/index.php

http://www.bikershangout.com/forums/

dragracer1951 · 07-19-2009, 06:56 AM

You know, I was out on my Motard yesterday.
Just lookin for cool roads and places. I had riden around in Capital Forrest and was down on Hwy 6. I was actually looking for a road back north and came across the little town of Doty. Might be all of 75 people there. But they had a general store and there was a guy and his wife taking an ice cream break. We chatted for 20 min about the differences between his Ultra Classic and my motard. I had to wear my trunk but I could back it into corners.
He had a radio though....

cal_look_zero · 07-19-2009, 07:07 AM

Blah blah blah bitch bitch bitch...

I had a similar argument with my dad who showed me the $18k Harley he plans on buying next year. I pointed our how much sportbike I could get for $18k (actually it was happily modding my current cbr, plus buying another one and modding it equally for the track, plus all new gear, extra wheels and tires, an enclosed trailer, and enough left over for 4-5 trackdays, but who's counting?) I let him ride my CBR and he was giddy after a few turns around the block, but pointed out that at 42 his reflexes are slipping and thus a bike capable of 160ish is a stupid choice, and that he wants to do thousands of miles and doesn't feel like iron assing it on a sportbike. I totally understand and respect his reasoning. He appreciates sportbikes for what they are, just like I can appreciate what Harleys are built for. Most Harley riders are RUBs (rich urban bikers) and most sportbike riders are asshole squids who wheelie through school zones in their flipflops. The real riders are all that any of us should be concerned about.

Whiners.

Y2K · 07-19-2009, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by dragracer1951

You know, I was out on my Motard yesterday.
Just lookin for cool roads and places. I had riden around in Capital Forrest and was down on Hwy 6. I was actually looking for a road back north and came across the little town of Doty. Might be all of 75 people there. But they had a general store and there was a guy and his wife taking an ice cream break. We chatted for 20 min about the differences between his Ultra Classic and my motard. I had to wear my trunk but I could back it into corners.
He had a radio though....

Sounds like me and the O'l,we do icecream stops all the time,she can't hardly pass a Dairy Queen.

starkmojo · 07-19-2009, 07:43 AM

This thread wins my vote for the

award.

Somehow I have become addicted to this thread... I cannot believe that so many people give a shit what other people ride- or judge people based on their bike.

I like the way Harleys look- and the stock sound is pretty cool. I do not like forward foot controls unless I am on the freeway so I wouldnt buy one.

I love the way Ducatis look- sexy sleek red... but I dont like that riding position either.

I like the "british" riding position, air cooled, simple mechanicals, basic look ("ie tank, motor, seat). My nke may be the redheaded step child of the cycling world, but it goes as fast, far, and beautifully as I need it to go. I can sit on my porch after cleaning it and just think - fuck thats my bike- its sweet. I even like the orange now.

Harley appeals to some folks. (My best friend rode a harley until recently when he sold it for a Ural. He is a great riding companion and I only wish he had more time to ride. ) Sport bikes to others, and motards even to some. Whatever... as long as when you are riding you get that rush when you see white lines zipping by, bully for you I say.

Y2K · 07-19-2009, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by starkmojo

This thread wins my vote for the

award.

Somehow I have become addicted to this thread... I cannot believe that so many people give a shit what other people ride- or judge people based on their bike.

I like the way Harleys look- and the stock sound is pretty cool. I do not like forward foot controls unless I am on the freeway so I wouldnt buy one.

I love the way Ducatis look- sexy sleek red... but I dont like that riding position either.

I like the "british" riding position, air cooled, simple mechanicals, basic look ("ie tank, motor, seat). My nke may be the redheaded step child of the cycling world, but it goes as fast, far, and beautifully as I need it to go. I can sit on my porch after cleaning it and just think - fuck thats my bike- its sweet. I even like the orange now.

Harley appeals to some folks. (My best friend rode a harley until recently when he sold it for a Ural. He is a great riding companion and I only wish he had more time to ride. ) Sport bikes to others, and motards even to some. Whatever... as long as when you are riding you get that rush when you see white lines zipping by, bully for you I say.

Yuppers....oh and just for the record not all Harleys have forward controls,I never liked them either.
All my bikes have had standard controls,Sportsters,Superglides and FLs.

Shrek X · 07-19-2009, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by starkmojo

I like the way Harleys look- and the stock sound is pretty cool. I do not like forward foot controls unless I am on the freeway so I wouldnt buy one.

I love the way Ducatis look- sexy sleek red... but I dont like that riding position either.

I like the "british" riding position, air cooled, simple mechanicals, basic look ("ie tank, motor, seat). My nke may be the redheaded step child of the cycling world, but it goes as fast, far, and beautifully as I need it to go. I can sit on my porch after cleaning it and just think - fuck thats my bike- its sweet. I even like the orange now.

are you sure thats not an infraction, British bike lover posting in the general section?

saltlick · 07-19-2009, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by starkmojo

This thread wins my vote for the

award.

Somehow I have become addicted to this thread... I cannot believe that so many people give a shit what other people ride- or judge people based on their bike.

I like the way Harleys look- and the stock sound is pretty cool. I do not like forward foot controls unless I am on the freeway so I wouldnt buy one.

I love the way Ducatis look- sexy sleek red... but I dont like that riding position either.

I like the "british" riding position, air cooled, simple mechanicals, basic look ("ie tank, motor, seat). My nke may be the redheaded step child of the cycling world, but it goes as fast, far, and beautifully as I need it to go. I can sit on my porch after cleaning it and just think - fuck thats my bike- its sweet. I even like the orange now.

Harley appeals to some folks. (My best friend rode a harley until recently when he sold it for a Ural. He is a great riding companion and I only wish he had more time to ride. ) Sport bikes to others, and motards even to some. Whatever... as long as when you are riding you get that rush when you see white lines zipping by, bully for you I say.

hey i had the same bike as in your avatar, same year and same color. 1974 honda cb750, color is sunburst i think they call it.....

I put clip-ons on it and a 4 into 1 exaust. Man i loved that bike. The color is super cool too.

starkmojo · 07-19-2009, 09:44 AM

Thread side track:

Originally Posted by saltlick

hey i had the same bike as in your avatar, same year and same color. 1974 honda cb750, color is sunburst i think they call it.....

I put clip-ons on it and a 4 into 1 exaust. Man i loved that bike. The color is super cool too.

The 4-1 is in the plan, after electronic ignition (because after my millionth point adjustment that shit got old.), but before a repaint of the stock color... go before show is my motto...

I would love a new Bonneville, but I bought this bike outright cash and can make improvements as I go. Also back when I was young I had a 550 and coveted my neighbors 750- 20 years later I got one.

Ok back to thread:

starkmojo · 07-19-2009, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Y2K

Yuppers....oh and just for the record not all Harleys have forward controls,I never liked them either.
All my bikes have had standard controls,Sportsters,Superglides and FLs.

Like I said the XR1200 is on my list of dream bikes.

Y2K · 07-19-2009, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by starkmojo

Thread side track:

. Also back when I was young I had a 550 and coveted my neighbors 750- 20 years later I got one.

I had the 500 four,1973 and I think the same color.

Gusgus · 07-19-2009, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by saltlick

hey i had the same bike as in your avatar, same year and same color. 1974 honda cb750, color is sunburst i think they call it.....

I put clip-ons on it and a 4 into 1 exaust. Man i loved that bike. The color is super cool too.

Me too, bought it in Coeur D' Alene Idaho in 1974, rode it all over the US. It was a great bike.
Yes,,,, I miss it as well.

matt007 · 07-19-2009, 11:45 AM

Ahh harley davidson..
They make the de-facto cruiser, with a proven design that sells even with few changes every revision. Thats impressive.
Think of it this way, better their bikes on the road that stop, go, and corner just fine than a pieced together, zero power, ape-hanging chopper with open pipes that is utterly useless in every way. Those are lame posermobiles and should have a hole in the seat for automated chemical castration.
and ahh..posers...
in the pacific northwet many of us are 'fair weather posers' anyway, in reality surely the hardcore on 2 wheels is vastly outnumbered, cruiser or sport
who cares! ride! its warm! go go go go go go go!
more people on 2 wheels = more voters for our cause!
market harleys, scooters, guzzis, triumphs whatever gets more people on 2 wheels
I think the new lithium powered bikes as they get cheaper will be popular, talk about inexpensive maintainance and "gas mileage"!
reduce traffic, increase smiles, more riders = good thing no matter what

cityxslicker · 07-19-2009, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Kresto

Anyone else want a caramel apple??

Oh, oops..................... you guys continue on, sorry

Can I haz a piece of cake instead?

ChrisMag · 07-19-2009, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by cityxslicker

"Harley's financing arm, Harley-Davidson Financial Services, posted an operating loss of $62.1 million in the second quarter versus operating income of $37.1 million a year ago. The tight credit markets have weighed on the unit" yep, probably because they are choosing other sources of credit to make their purchases. I have seen an increase in credit union purchases due to interest rate and overall monthlies. Eaglemark needs to compete with those sources better, but the bikes are still selling. On a another note, all those people that purchased a bike with their home 'equity' are giving up their bikes to pay the expenses.... those bikes are now coming used in droves.... to you know where by now

The credit market as a whole is in recession. You might want to take a moment to watch the videos which are currently at the top of Karl Denninger's page.

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

Nefarious · 07-19-2009, 01:21 PM

Let's look at the facts guys..

#1 Motorcycles are fucking awsome

#2 Quite a few of us choose riding over just about everything else

#3 Motorcycles are REALLY fucking awsome

#4 There are LOTS of posers out there

a. posers won't ride in the rain
b. posers won't ride when it's cold
c. posers can't change their own oil
d. posers generally crash because they don't actually know how to ride
e. posers are a huge reason people hate us
f. posers would rather look at a bike than ride it
g. fuck posers

#5 This is the most important fact to remember for this discussion..

POSERS RIDE ALL KINDS OF BIKES!

Gusgus · 07-19-2009, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Y2K

I feel sorry for Gusgus,maybe he's come upon some bad apples on Harleys but I don't care what he says most of the H-D riders out there aren't like that,he's just lucky I guess lol.

I m not looking for pity, but understanding I am not alone. If you don't know how people are,,,,, many are in the same place as I.

I have witnessed and been involved in these discussions in many places all across America. In fact I have found the further west I ride the trouble decreases, although I have witnessed some scumbaggery right there in Portland.

The toy drive at TriMet. What a bunch of douches who rode through the crowd scaring people and making a scene, as if they were the reason we were there.
Brother speed a-holes.

I see that alot with dual sporters those jerks! And the scooter crowd are so damned superior to all other bike owners. But the worst are those sport bike dickweeds, always name calling, spitting and farting.

I mean come on. The truth is A-holes permeate the cruiser ranks in much higher numbers.


07-18-2009, 03:56 PM	#124
saltlick Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: Beaverton, Oregon I Ride: Buell Lightning XB9S	ive owned alot of bikes...ducatis, hondas, harleys.....from sport bike to cruisers and i must say the harley i owned was the most reliable bike i ever had. Any of you haters ever own one? I wouldnt ride one now, cause they aint my style but until youve owned one theres no way you can knock um. They got thier own thing going on just like the other bikes. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-18-2009, 05:53 PM	#131
Pointman MotoGP Contender Joined: Aug 2008 From: Puget Sound I Ride: H-D	As always.... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-18-2009, 09:46 PM	#136
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	It sounds like your experience isnt limited to HDs, but to a younger genration of riders. Hi!!! I agree, there are more jackasses riding today than ever, but there are more riders overall... old riders arent teaching the new riders. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-18-2009, 10:45 PM	#138
Kresto Zone Head Joined: Jun 2007 From: Tenino WA I Ride: Dorky GreenMachine	Anyone else want a caramel apple?? Oh, oops..................... you guys continue on, sorry __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-19-2009, 06:11 AM	#142
dragracer1951 MotoGP Champion Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 03 Are See fiddy one, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	I believe I read somewhere recently that the cruiser market is the fastest growing segment in motorcycling. Harley's been here a long time. I'm thinking they are going to be here for a long time to come. I've ridden Harleys, Indians, Triumphs, BSA's Nortons, MAtchless, AJS Ducati, Yamaha....Yada Yada. They are all motorcycles. They all have two wheels. They all have different riders though. Some of them stop for riders on the road, some of them don't. I got tired of all the bashing years ago. Ride what ya like. If someone else don't like what I ride...fuck em. I tell em they don't have to ride my bike. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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07-19-2009, 06:56 AM	#145
dragracer1951 MotoGP Champion Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 03 Are See fiddy one, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	You know, I was out on my Motard yesterday. Just lookin for cool roads and places. I had riden around in Capital Forrest and was down on Hwy 6. I was actually looking for a road back north and came across the little town of Doty. Might be all of 75 people there. But they had a general store and there was a guy and his wife taking an ice cream break. We chatted for 20 min about the differences between his Ultra Classic and my motard. I had to wear my trunk but I could back it into corners. He had a radio though.... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-19-2009, 07:07 AM	#146
cal_look_zero Pit Crew Joined: Aug 2008 From: Medford, OR I Ride: my 2006 CBR600RR like a friggin pansy	Blah blah blah bitch bitch bitch... I had a similar argument with my dad who showed me the $18k Harley he plans on buying next year. I pointed our how much sportbike I could get for $18k (actually it was happily modding my current cbr, plus buying another one and modding it equally for the track, plus all new gear, extra wheels and tires, an enclosed trailer, and enough left over for 4-5 trackdays, but who's counting?) I let him ride my CBR and he was giddy after a few turns around the block, but pointed out that at 42 his reflexes are slipping and thus a bike capable of 160ish is a stupid choice, and that he wants to do thousands of miles and doesn't feel like iron assing it on a sportbike. I totally understand and respect his reasoning. He appreciates sportbikes for what they are, just like I can appreciate what Harleys are built for. Most Harley riders are RUBs (rich urban bikers) and most sportbike riders are asshole squids who wheelie through school zones in their flipflops. The real riders are all that any of us should be concerned about. Whiners. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by cal_look_zero; 07-19-2009 at 07:10 AM..


07-19-2009, 07:43 AM	#148
starkmojo Endorsed Joined: Aug 2008 From: PDX OR I Ride: 74 cb750 K4	This thread wins my vote for the award. Somehow I have become addicted to this thread... I cannot believe that so many people give a shit what other people ride- or judge people based on their bike. I like the way Harleys look- and the stock sound is pretty cool. I do not like forward foot controls unless I am on the freeway so I wouldnt buy one. I love the way Ducatis look- sexy sleek red... but I dont like that riding position either. I like the "british" riding position, air cooled, simple mechanicals, basic look ("ie tank, motor, seat). My nke may be the redheaded step child of the cycling world, but it goes as fast, far, and beautifully as I need it to go. I can sit on my porch after cleaning it and just think - fuck thats my bike- its sweet. I even like the orange now. Harley appeals to some folks. (My best friend rode a harley until recently when he sold it for a Ural. He is a great riding companion and I only wish he had more time to ride. ) Sport bikes to others, and motards even to some. Whatever... as long as when you are riding you get that rush when you see white lines zipping by, bully for you I say. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-19-2009, 11:45 AM	#156
matt007 Endorsed Joined: Jun 2008 From: pdx - st johns I Ride: 02 yamaha fz1, 03 ducati monster 620ie, 86 honda ch150d elite deluxe	Ahh harley davidson.. They make the de-facto cruiser, with a proven design that sells even with few changes every revision. Thats impressive. Think of it this way, better their bikes on the road that stop, go, and corner just fine than a pieced together, zero power, ape-hanging chopper with open pipes that is utterly useless in every way. Those are lame posermobiles and should have a hole in the seat for automated chemical castration. and ahh..posers... in the pacific northwet many of us are 'fair weather posers' anyway, in reality surely the hardcore on 2 wheels is vastly outnumbered, cruiser or sport who cares! ride! its warm! go go go go go go go! more people on 2 wheels = more voters for our cause! market harleys, scooters, guzzis, triumphs whatever gets more people on 2 wheels I think the new lithium powered bikes as they get cheaper will be popular, talk about inexpensive maintainance and "gas mileage"! reduce traffic, increase smiles, more riders = good thing no matter what __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-19-2009, 01:21 PM	#159
Nefarious Superbiker Joined: Jan 2009 From: Bremerton Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: 03 SV650 (Track) 03 SV1000S (Street)	Let's look at the facts guys.. #1 Motorcycles are fucking awsome #2 Quite a few of us choose riding over just about everything else #3 Motorcycles are REALLY fucking awsome #4 There are LOTS of posers out there a. posers won't ride in the rain b. posers won't ride when it's cold c. posers can't change their own oil d. posers generally crash because they don't actually know how to ride e. posers are a huge reason people hate us f. posers would rather look at a bike than ride it g. fuck posers #5 This is the most important fact to remember for this discussion.. POSERS RIDE ALL KINDS OF BIKES! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Nefarious; 07-19-2009 at 01:23 PM..

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