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eseeray26 · 07-16-2009, 03:40 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090716/...arley_davidson
and once again regardless of what all the harley lovers think if harley does not change some of its lineup to suit a new generation they would be done for but as we are being taught by the new administration they dont need to change cause the government/taxpayer will bail them out

Robusto · 07-16-2009, 03:59 PM

woot lets hear it for The Shit Taco and his Bailouts!!!!

Monroe FJR · 07-16-2009, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Robusto

woot lets hear it for The Shit Taco and his Bailouts!!!!

Are you talking in code???

ninja-rida · 07-16-2009, 04:30 PM

..."flashy high-end motorcycles"...

That made me chuckle

cityxslicker · 07-16-2009, 04:32 PM

The skyy is falling, the skyy is falling, shut up and pour me another.

There are just enough numbers in this thing to make you think the guy knows something. But if you access to the stats and numbers and pull your head out of your azz you will see he has no clue.

"But as the craze wore out and, in recent years, the credit markets tightened and buyers aged, sales dropped off." I have sold consistently more bikes this year than other years that I have been selling bikes. People still want to ride, they are just more money conscious now, they are watching where they are spending their cash, but they are still spending it. I cant keep a big HD on the floor for more than a week.

"Harley has been restructuring since the beginning of the year as it sought to cope with weaker sales. Volumes of its bikes, which start in the mid-thousands but can run $30,000 or more for high-end touring models"
there is infact only two models that are at the 30K level, the CVO Ultra classic limited edition, and the Trike conversion which with a warranty and 30k is a bargain (ask anyone who has done or tried to do one)

"Harley still faces longer-term challenges, including luring more women, minority and younger riders to its brand. Baby boomers remain its biggest customers. According to a study last fall by J.P. Morgan, the median age of Harley customers rose to 48 in 2007 from 35 in 1987."
1/3 of my customers are women, that average has been level through out my career. These are women that are riding up front and owning their own handlebars. Now women that control the family finances and have weight on a decision as to whether a new bike comes home or not? That number has to be in the the 70+ percent range as over 85% of HD customers are MARRIED. The heavy weight cruiser median age has gone up as the older riders are purchasing more expensive bikes and more 'comforatable' bikes. But 20 somethings are still coming into the shops and buying the dark customs, who do you think that damn Nightster was built for ? (to date Harley Davidsons most popular, best selling XL marque) And finally, I know I am older than 1987, how about y'all. The median age of 1st time HD purchaser is 43, its been 42 for 5 years running. The average age of all customers may be 48, but that includes repeat business and returning customers (average life of ownership of an HD is about 7-9 years, before trading in on a new one; why do you think Milwaukee comes out with a new motor or chasis platform about every 7-9 years?)

"Harley's financing arm, Harley-Davidson Financial Services, posted an operating loss of $62.1 million in the second quarter versus operating income of $37.1 million a year ago. The tight credit markets have weighed on the unit" yep, probably because they are choosing other sources of credit to make their purchases. I have seen an increase in credit union purchases due to interest rate and overall monthlies. Eaglemark needs to compete with those sources better, but the bikes are still selling. On a another note, all those people that purchased a bike with their home 'equity' are giving up their bikes to pay the expenses.... those bikes are now coming used in droves.... to you know where by now

The skyy is falling, you can deposit your bikes in my garage as you leave the sport.

ninja-rida · 07-16-2009, 04:42 PM

Maybe this will finally put a muffler on that obnoxious brand and it's sheeple followers.

Just like SUV owners, these middle-aged biker wanna-be's are all about a desperate attempt to force people to "recognize" them on the road.

Perhaps now the boomers will shut up already.

Pointman · 07-16-2009, 04:50 PM

I think this is what, the 100th or 200th prediction of H-D's demise?

We're still here........106 years...

ninja-rida · 07-16-2009, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Pointman

I think this is what, the 100th or 200th prediction of H-D's demise?

We're still here........106 years...

How many times has the gov. intervened and saved HD's ass again? Remember those high tariffs on imports in the 70's and 80's?

spolic · 07-16-2009, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by ninja-rida

Perhaps now the boomers will shut up already.

By boomers, I guess that you are talking about those guys with super loud bass coming out of those little cars with Kazoos for a tail pipe.

If they want to ride a HD...more power to 'em.

Pointman · 07-16-2009, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by ninja-rida

How many times has the gov. intervened and saved HD's ass again? Remember those high tariffs on imports in the 70's and 80's?

You mean this?

Harley-Davidson successfully petitioned the International Trade Commission (ITC) for tariff relief, which was granted April 1, 1983. The tariff, scheduled to end five years later, was placed on all imported Japanese motorcycles 700cc or larger as a response to Japanese motorcycle manufacturers stockpiling inventories of unsold motorcycles in the United States.

Chunk · 07-16-2009, 05:11 PM

Bailouts will not come for HD me thinks....the primary reason GM and Chrysler were saved is there employment forces and sheer size, obviously HD is nothing compared to the size of those behemoths....

Besides weren't bailouts started by a southern redneck? Yeah I remember reading about that somewhere...AIG or something...not saying I support any of the bailouts but lets try and remember it was BOTH sides of the aisle on this one boys and girls....

I TRULY hope HD doesn't fail, I don't like their bikes, but then I don't have to. Just sad to see another American tradition fall by the wayside to be forgotten. HD however will be responsible for their own demise if they don't change. They have to try and join the 80's sometime...

And BTW....the guys portrayed in ads like this are not the ones keeping the company at the level they are (were)....it is the yuppy lawyers and clean cut assholes that like to pretend motorcycle.

Armand · 07-16-2009, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by ninja-rida

Maybe this will finally put a muffler on that obnoxious brand and it's sheeple followers.

Just like SUV owners, these middle-aged biker wanna-be's are all about a desperate attempt to force people to "recognize" them on the road.

Perhaps now the boomers will shut up already.

I own an suv so I'll just keep my opinions on this and track days to myself

Gusgus · 07-16-2009, 06:13 PM

HD might not make this one.

The market is saturated with V-twins, and many better suited to ride into the next years than Hardley.

The multitude of V-twins are staggering, and none of these competing manufacturers seem to be hurting.

They don't seem to be over extended, or publicly slowing production.

Y2K · 07-16-2009, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by ninja-rida

Maybe this will finally put a muffler on that obnoxious brand and it's sheeple followers.

Just like SUV owners, these middle-aged biker wanna-be's are all about a desperate attempt to force people to "recognize" them on the road.

Perhaps now the boomers will shut up already.

Spoken like a true hater.

starkmojo · 07-16-2009, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Pointman

I think this is what, the 100th or 200th prediction of H-D's demise?

We're still here........106 years...

Thats funny...

Seriously though if i were to by a new bike that new HD flat tracker designed for the European market would be on my short list.

Y2K · 07-16-2009, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by eseeray26

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090716/...arley_davidson
and once again regardless of what all the harley lovers think if harley does not change some of its lineup to suit a new generation they would be done for but as we are being taught by the new administration they dont need to change cause the government/taxpayer will bail them out

Perhaps you missed this line?

Harley's U.S. retail sales during the quarter fell 35 percent, the company said. Industry wide sales were worse, falling 48 percent.

It's no surprise sales are down in this stinking economy,what would you expect?

Monroe FJR · 07-16-2009, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by ninja-rida

Maybe this will finally put a muffler on that obnoxious brand and it's sheeple followers.

Just like SUV owners, these middle-aged biker wanna-be's are all about a desperate attempt to force people to "recognize" them on the road.

Perhaps now the boomers will shut up already.

You do know that SUV sales are driven by the age 30 and under crowd. Ummmm... maybe not.

Shrek X · 07-16-2009, 08:40 PM

new generation of bikers....

no matter how much you want to profess it, and love to have little circle jerks lamenting sport bike greatness, HD is the cornerstone of the American motorcycle market. Think motorcycle, and people think an R1?

not. They think of a nice, big, chrome beauty that someone has crafted to be their own.

wish all you want, HD is here for a good long wile to come.

FlyingWheelsCycleCourier · 07-16-2009, 08:56 PM

i hate the name harley. always have. i had a friend whose dogs name was harley and i HATED it. he'd always be calling for it uhg

oh yea hardley failing? these monster companies never truly die. they get bought and sold to someone else, downsized and the likes. plus the parts markets for all things powered by engines is so huge there will always be money to be made.

downsizing production or not selling zillions of bikes every year and flooding the new and used markets isnt really realistic if you ask me i mean just take a look around.

nighthawker · 07-16-2009, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Pointman

thanks pedophiles and AMF

ddonacazx12 · 07-16-2009, 10:53 PM

I don't want HD to go under.... I want them to pull their head out of their arse and use some of that engineering know how they bought at MV and build a world class motorcycle.

Not some rehashed 1970 tech, overweight, shiny pos.

88in, all alloy twin, 10k rpm, 150 bhp, 100lb-ft, dohc, 4-5-6v per cyl, dual front disc, the belt drive can stay, etc...

Shrek X · 07-16-2009, 11:00 PM

^^ HD makes bikes that people want.... maybe not you, but they make sweet sweet rides. I really hope they never make something to appeal to the sport bike crowd, there are 20 somethings tossing those out left and right after using them up. HD makes a bike you keep and enjoy

KevinD · 07-16-2009, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

HD makes a bike you keep and enjoy

There's a good reason HD has tremendous brand loyalty.

KevinD

ddonacazx12 · 07-16-2009, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

^^ HD makes bikes that people want.... maybe not you, but they make sweet sweet rides. I really hope they never make something to appeal to the sport bike crowd, there are 20 somethings tossing those out left and right after using them up. HD makes a bike you keep and enjoy

which is underpowered, overweight, illhandeling, etc... for no reason. They could very easily make a modern powerplant for their bikes that looks HD, sounds HD, but runs Ducati or MV or Aprilia... and turns better, stops quicker in the process.

EDIT: I wasnt talking about HD making a sport bike, I was talking about HD putting a modern design engine / trans in their bikes. Lighter weight, higher power, better centralization of mass, etc...

Why are HD guys so dead set against making their bikes better?

Do you really like hauling 800 lbs around??? When you could have the same bike weigh 600... with just a modern engine/trans/frame in it.

Does it being a big turd performance wise, somehow make it better in your mind? cuz it doesn't in mine...

I am honestly curious why you would resist the idea of a HD, made in America, that looks the same, but would weigh 100-200 lbs less and make 30-60-90% more power ?!?!

I mean there would be minor changes, like dual front disc brakes, slightly less rake (about like a new xr1200), aluminum/magnesium pieces here and there (they could be black anodized), but it would still be HD just one that does things well instead of half assed. (like accelerate, stop, turn)

Shrek X · 07-16-2009, 11:37 PM

I like rake, I don't like big brakes getting in the way of the rims, I like steel. you want your bike, and thats great... but HD makes steal bikes, V twin air cooled, big and comfy. The weight, isn't a bad thing either. My ride is about 700lbs, when I am rolling down the road it is effortless, wind, trucks etc .. nothing bothers it, take off a few hundred (wich I could do), and it is less stable

HD makes a bike to enjoy the road, you want a bike to enjoy twisties... enjoy, you don't want an HD. HD makes the ultimate in tech for the type of bike it is... motorcycles are not all about performance

cityxslicker · 07-16-2009, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by ddonacazx12

which is underpowered, overweight, illhandeling, etc... for no reason. They could very easily make a modern powerplant for their bikes that looks HD, sounds HD, but runs Ducati or MV or Aprilia... and turns better, stops quicker in the process.

H-D owns MV Agusta, has for over a year. They also own Buell, that has a nasty Rotax rocket that is less than half the weight of a Road King, three times the hp, one of the most aggressive set of brakes out there and not a speck of chrome on it. (come see me for a demo)

ddonacazx12 · 07-16-2009, 11:46 PM

Well what I really want is an American made bike that I can enjoy riding... but there is no such thing.

I wish like hell HD would keep the look, but use modern tech to build the bike from the ground up.

Like that new honda wanabe thing (light weight, good handeling, decent brakes, etc...), only with the soul of a HD.

(sigh)

Oh well, wish in one hand... s*** in the other.

CITY: why would I want a buell, thats just another sport bike... and I've already got a great one of those.
Them owning MV is whats so frustrating... they have the know how to build a great modern cruiser, but they choose to keep building boat anchors.... frustrating.
Oh and as to the 1125, you forgot the biggest, fugliest air intakes on the planet.

Shrek X · 07-16-2009, 11:57 PM

My X was made in the South... American made, modern tech... there ya go

Armand · 07-17-2009, 12:11 AM

personally I dont have anything against HD. I'd never buy one as it's not my type of bike. on one hand I'm grateful that HD saved MV Agusta but I also hope that the only change they do to MV is how their finances are being done and not change ANYTHING on the design, materials used, etc for the bike. for MV's sake I hope hd doesnt go under. (tho I always wished mv didnt have to get bought out or should I call it bailed out since they were about to go under without hd's help)

Kresto · 07-17-2009, 12:26 AM

This is fun

ddonacazx12 · 07-17-2009, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

My X was made in the South... American made, modern tech... there ya go

A vtx is a beast no doubt... but it's not a HD.

{ I know, sometimes I don't make any damn sense...

- I love the look of a HD, the sound of a HD, the history of HD... I just want em' to build something comperable to an X or a Raider, but with the muscle that I know they're capable of... if they pick the MV braintrust for engine ideas.

Basically I think I'm just a picky m***** f*****...

}

Thats cool though, I didn't realize they had a US plant.

Pavin · 07-17-2009, 06:40 AM

HD wont be hurting anytime soon, they can live of the research and development money they havent spent in decades.

i saw on a tv show they have a top secret test track, who is going to steal their technology? Huffy? (you can talk about the vrod and 1125 all u want, but as far as i am concerned those should be their baseline bikes, not the technology leaders)

Shrek X · 07-17-2009, 06:56 AM

^^ again, unlike you, most of the motorcycle comunity doesnt measure a motorcycle by how big the brakes are, how many valves there are, chicken strips, or any of that crap.... so your preaching about something that most of the market doesnt see, or want to happen

thats why OCC is 300x bigger (in viewers) than any MC racing, bikes are made to be an expression of ones personality... many of you have chosen tiny, quick and loud... what that means I dont know, draw your own inferances...

but thats not a HD

Squidward · 07-17-2009, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by ddonacazx12

A vtx is a beast no doubt... but it's not a HD.

{ I know, sometimes I don't make any damn sense...

- I love the look of a HD, the sound of a HD, the history of HD... I just want em' to build something comperable to an X or a Raider, but with the muscle that I know they're capable of... if they pick the MV braintrust for engine ideas.

Basically I think I'm just a picky m***** f*****...

}

Thats cool though, I didn't realize they had a US plant.

i think this whole time youve been talking about the VROD...it is a modern, good looking, fast performance cruiser with an engine designed by porsche, its also liquid cooled and only 1250cc

Y2K · 07-17-2009, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

^^ again, unlike you, most of the motorcycle comunity doesnt measure a motorcycle by how big the brakes are, how many valves there are, chicken strips, or any of that crap.... so your preaching about something that most of the market doesnt see, or want to happen

thats why OCC is 300x bigger (in viewers) than any MC racing, bikes are made to be an expression of ones personality... many of you have chosen tiny, quick and loud... what that means I dont know, draw your own inferances...

but thats not a HD

They don't get it and probably won't.
Change the bike too much and it's not the Harley that we know and love anymore.
They also probably don't see the changes that H-D has made year by year however slowly they have come.
The bike they make today is far different than my 2000 model and my 2000 is far different than a 1970 model even though they may look and sound much the same.

For instance I ride the FLH.

1970=74" motor,,4 speed,Zenith butterfly carb, drum brakes, chain drive.

2000=88" motor,5 speed,CV carb std/EFI option,new 4 pot disc brakes duals up front,belt drive.

2009= All new frame design with better handling and new tires/wheels,96" motor with fly by wire closed loop EFI, 6 speed with hydraulic clutch,Brembo brakes with ABS,higher load rating and more storage capacity,higher strength longer life belt drive.

Pointman · 07-17-2009, 07:29 AM

If HD made a bike the Sportbois/girlz liked I wouldn't buy it.

Keep your Axis made shit, I'll ride Milwaukee Steel anytime, anywhere!

Pointman · 07-17-2009, 07:39 AM

And don't worry about H-D with any generation...

Yesterday-

Today-

Tomorrow-

Shrek X · 07-17-2009, 07:57 AM

^^ thats pretty damn funny

recr8ton · 07-17-2009, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

new generation of bikers....

no matter how much you want to profess it, and love to have little circle jerks lamenting sport bike greatness, HD is the cornerstone of the American motorcycle market. Think motorcycle, and people think an R1?

not. They think of a nice, big, chrome beauty that someone has crafted to be their own.

wish all you want, HD is here for a good long wile to come.

No...they think R6 you goof!

speedholes · 07-17-2009, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

^^ HD makes bikes that people want.... maybe not you, but they make sweet sweet rides. I really hope they never make something to appeal to the sport bike crowd, there are 20 somethings tossing those out left and right after using them up. HD makes a bike you keep and enjoy

Werd


07-16-2009, 03:40 PM	#1
eseeray26 Endorsed Joined: May 2009 From: Roseburg Or Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: 1978 honda hawk cb400t	Harley Davidson in the news http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090716/...arley_davidson and once again regardless of what all the harley lovers think if harley does not change some of its lineup to suit a new generation they would be done for but as we are being taught by the new administration they dont need to change cause the government/taxpayer will bail them out __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-16-2009, 03:59 PM	#2
Robusto Retired Joined: Aug 2006 From: Spokane, WA I Ride: Cuz' it makes me smile!	woot lets hear it for The Shit Taco and his Bailouts!!!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-16-2009, 04:30 PM	#4
ninja-rida Zone Head Joined: Apr 2008 From: Da Hood I Ride: 2006 ZX-6R	..."flashy high-end motorcycles"... That made me chuckle __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-16-2009, 04:32 PM	#5
cityxslicker Superbiker Joined: Nov 2007 From: Silverdale, Wa I Ride: Buell XB9SX City-X	The skyy is falling, the skyy is falling, shut up and pour me another. There are just enough numbers in this thing to make you think the guy knows something. But if you access to the stats and numbers and pull your head out of your azz you will see he has no clue. "But as the craze wore out and, in recent years, the credit markets tightened and buyers aged, sales dropped off." I have sold consistently more bikes this year than other years that I have been selling bikes. People still want to ride, they are just more money conscious now, they are watching where they are spending their cash, but they are still spending it. I cant keep a big HD on the floor for more than a week. "Harley has been restructuring since the beginning of the year as it sought to cope with weaker sales. Volumes of its bikes, which start in the mid-thousands but can run $30,000 or more for high-end touring models" there is infact only two models that are at the 30K level, the CVO Ultra classic limited edition, and the Trike conversion which with a warranty and 30k is a bargain (ask anyone who has done or tried to do one) "Harley still faces longer-term challenges, including luring more women, minority and younger riders to its brand. Baby boomers remain its biggest customers. According to a study last fall by J.P. Morgan, the median age of Harley customers rose to 48 in 2007 from 35 in 1987." 1/3 of my customers are women, that average has been level through out my career. These are women that are riding up front and owning their own handlebars. Now women that control the family finances and have weight on a decision as to whether a new bike comes home or not? That number has to be in the the 70+ percent range as over 85% of HD customers are MARRIED. The heavy weight cruiser median age has gone up as the older riders are purchasing more expensive bikes and more 'comforatable' bikes. But 20 somethings are still coming into the shops and buying the dark customs, who do you think that damn Nightster was built for ? (to date Harley Davidsons most popular, best selling XL marque) And finally, I know I am older than 1987, how about y'all. The median age of 1st time HD purchaser is 43, its been 42 for 5 years running. The average age of all customers may be 48, but that includes repeat business and returning customers (average life of ownership of an HD is about 7-9 years, before trading in on a new one; why do you think Milwaukee comes out with a new motor or chasis platform about every 7-9 years?) "Harley's financing arm, Harley-Davidson Financial Services, posted an operating loss of $62.1 million in the second quarter versus operating income of $37.1 million a year ago. The tight credit markets have weighed on the unit" yep, probably because they are choosing other sources of credit to make their purchases. I have seen an increase in credit union purchases due to interest rate and overall monthlies. Eaglemark needs to compete with those sources better, but the bikes are still selling. On a another note, all those people that purchased a bike with their home 'equity' are giving up their bikes to pay the expenses.... those bikes are now coming used in droves.... to you know where by now The skyy is falling, you can deposit your bikes in my garage as you leave the sport. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-16-2009, 04:42 PM	#6
ninja-rida Zone Head Joined: Apr 2008 From: Da Hood I Ride: 2006 ZX-6R	Maybe this will finally put a muffler on that obnoxious brand and it's sheeple followers. Just like SUV owners, these middle-aged biker wanna-be's are all about a desperate attempt to force people to "recognize" them on the road. Perhaps now the boomers will shut up already. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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07-16-2009, 04:50 PM	#7
Pointman MotoGP Contender Joined: Aug 2008 From: Puget Sound I Ride: H-D	I think this is what, the 100th or 200th prediction of H-D's demise? We're still here........106 years... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-16-2009, 05:11 PM	#11
Chunk Training Wheels Joined: May 2009 From: Scappoose I Ride: 2005 SV650S	Bailouts will not come for HD me thinks....the primary reason GM and Chrysler were saved is there employment forces and sheer size, obviously HD is nothing compared to the size of those behemoths.... Besides weren't bailouts started by a southern redneck? Yeah I remember reading about that somewhere...AIG or something...not saying I support any of the bailouts but lets try and remember it was BOTH sides of the aisle on this one boys and girls.... I TRULY hope HD doesn't fail, I don't like their bikes, but then I don't have to. Just sad to see another American tradition fall by the wayside to be forgotten. HD however will be responsible for their own demise if they don't change. They have to try and join the 80's sometime... And BTW....the guys portrayed in ads like this are not the ones keeping the company at the level they are (were)....it is the yuppy lawyers and clean cut assholes that like to pretend motorcycle. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Chunk; 07-16-2009 at 05:15 PM..


07-16-2009, 06:13 PM	#13
Gusgus MotoGP Champion Joined: Dec 2008 From: VanHooter, Wa Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: Valkyrie/R1150GS Adventure	HD might not make this one. The market is saturated with V-twins, and many better suited to ride into the next years than Hardley. The multitude of V-twins are staggering, and none of these competing manufacturers seem to be hurting. They don't seem to be over extended, or publicly slowing production. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-16-2009, 08:40 PM	#18
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	new generation of bikers.... no matter how much you want to profess it, and love to have little circle jerks lamenting sport bike greatness, HD is the cornerstone of the American motorcycle market. Think motorcycle, and people think an R1? not. They think of a nice, big, chrome beauty that someone has crafted to be their own. wish all you want, HD is here for a good long wile to come. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-16-2009, 08:56 PM	#19
FlyingWheelsCycleCourier Training Wheels Joined: Jun 2009 From: Bellingham, WA I Ride: rain or shine 51 weeks out of the year.........	i hate the name harley. always have. i had a friend whose dogs name was harley and i HATED it. he'd always be calling for it uhg oh yea hardley failing? these monster companies never truly die. they get bought and sold to someone else, downsized and the likes. plus the parts markets for all things powered by engines is so huge there will always be money to be made. downsizing production or not selling zillions of bikes every year and flooding the new and used markets isnt really realistic if you ask me i mean just take a look around. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-16-2009, 10:53 PM	#21
ddonacazx12 MotoGP Contender Joined: Jul 2007 From: Camas, Washington I Ride: 05 zx12r	I don't want HD to go under.... I want them to pull their head out of their arse and use some of that engineering know how they bought at MV and build a world class motorcycle. Not some rehashed 1970 tech, overweight, shiny pos. 88in, all alloy twin, 10k rpm, 150 bhp, 100lb-ft, dohc, 4-5-6v per cyl, dual front disc, the belt drive can stay, etc... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by ddonacazx12; 07-16-2009 at 10:56 PM..


07-16-2009, 11:00 PM	#22
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	^^ HD makes bikes that people want.... maybe not you, but they make sweet sweet rides. I really hope they never make something to appeal to the sport bike crowd, there are 20 somethings tossing those out left and right after using them up. HD makes a bike you keep and enjoy __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Shrek X; 07-16-2009 at 11:02 PM..


07-16-2009, 11:37 PM	#25
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	I like rake, I don't like big brakes getting in the way of the rims, I like steel. you want your bike, and thats great... but HD makes steal bikes, V twin air cooled, big and comfy. The weight, isn't a bad thing either. My ride is about 700lbs, when I am rolling down the road it is effortless, wind, trucks etc .. nothing bothers it, take off a few hundred (wich I could do), and it is less stable HD makes a bike to enjoy the road, you want a bike to enjoy twisties... enjoy, you don't want an HD. HD makes the ultimate in tech for the type of bike it is... motorcycles are not all about performance __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-16-2009, 11:46 PM	#27
ddonacazx12 MotoGP Contender Joined: Jul 2007 From: Camas, Washington I Ride: 05 zx12r	Well what I really want is an *American made* bike that I can enjoy riding... but there is no such thing. I wish like hell HD would keep the look, but use modern tech to build the bike from the ground up. Like that new honda wanabe thing (light weight, good handeling, decent brakes, etc...), only with the soul of a HD. (sigh) Oh well, wish in one hand... s* in the other. CITY: why would I want a buell, thats just another sport bike... and I've already got a great one of those. Them owning MV is whats so frustrating... they have the know how to build a great modern cruiser, but they choose to keep building boat anchors.... frustrating. Oh and as to the 1125, you forgot the biggest, fugliest air intakes on the planet. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter** Last edited by ddonacazx12; 07-16-2009 at 11:51 PM..


07-16-2009, 11:57 PM	#28
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	My X was made in the South... American made, modern tech... there ya go __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-17-2009, 12:11 AM	#29
Armand WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Apr 2008 From: Oregon I Ride: If I only had a bike	personally I dont have anything against HD. I'd never buy one as it's not my type of bike. on one hand I'm grateful that HD saved MV Agusta but I also hope that the only change they do to MV is how their finances are being done and not change ANYTHING on the design, materials used, etc for the bike. for MV's sake I hope hd doesnt go under. (tho I always wished mv didnt have to get bought out or should I call it bailed out since they were about to go under without hd's help) __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-17-2009, 12:26 AM	#30
Kresto Zone Head Joined: Jun 2007 From: Tenino WA I Ride: Dorky GreenMachine	This is fun __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-17-2009, 06:40 AM	#32
Pavin Zone Head Joined: Jun 2006 From: Whidbey Island I Ride: 07 drz400, 05 fz6	HD wont be hurting anytime soon, they can live of the research and development money they havent spent in decades. i saw on a tv show they have a top secret test track, who is going to steal their technology? Huffy? (you can talk about the vrod and 1125 all u want, but as far as i am concerned those should be their baseline bikes, not the technology leaders) __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-17-2009, 06:56 AM	#33
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	^^ again, unlike you, most of the motorcycle comunity doesnt measure a motorcycle by how big the brakes are, how many valves there are, chicken strips, or any of that crap.... so your preaching about something that most of the market doesnt see, or want to happen thats why OCC is 300x bigger (in viewers) than any MC racing, bikes are made to be an expression of ones personality... many of you have chosen tiny, quick and loud... what that means I dont know, draw your own inferances... but thats not a HD __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Shrek X; 07-17-2009 at 06:59 AM..


07-17-2009, 07:29 AM	#36
Pointman MotoGP Contender Joined: Aug 2008 From: Puget Sound I Ride: H-D	If HD made a bike the Sportbois/girlz liked I wouldn't buy it. Keep your Axis made shit, I'll ride Milwaukee Steel anytime, anywhere! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-17-2009, 07:39 AM	#37
Pointman MotoGP Contender Joined: Aug 2008 From: Puget Sound I Ride: H-D	And don't worry about H-D with any generation... Yesterday- Today- Tomorrow- __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-17-2009, 07:57 AM	#38
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	^^ thats pretty damn funny __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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