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Avboden · 10-29-2009, 08:25 PM

well, FUCK

rumor has it they cancel the 2010 season if they can't find another company, but a few are interested.

although KHQ says

"Spokane County Raceway Park had an outstanding season that brought tourism dollars into our area, but we had an operator who wasn't paying local businesspeople and we weren't going to let that continue," said Mielke. "The Parks and Recreation Department is prepared to take possession of the property, secure the assets and winterize the facility."

County officials hope to have a new raceway operator by February of 2010, followed by a new racing season beginning in April.

"We have and will continue to move swiftly to secure a full schedule of racing events for 2010, and pursue a new operator's agreement that protects public interests and continues to spur the region's economy," said County Commissioner Mark Richard.

there's no way this place won't be a racetrack...or at least a drag strip with all the construction already done.

Spokane County commissioners today terminated the contract with the Austin Motor Sports Management, the company they hired less than a year ago to operate the controversial Spokane County Raceway Park in Airway Heights.

The county’s insurance may be needed to pay some $1.2 million in outstanding debt for improvements at the track, they said.

Commissioners voted unanimously during a special afternoon meeting to terminate the contract with the company and its owner Bucky Austin, a racing enthusiast who owns a chain of auto repair shops in the Puget Sound region. Despite promises in August and September that he would make good on all outstanding debts for improvements in the park, Austin still owes contractors, who have filed liens worth about $1.2 million against him and the county.

Austin’s contract was in default and terminated, commissioners said, because he failed to pay the contractors, failed to secure a performance bond before he contracted for the work, and didn’t go through the competitive bidding process required for public projects.

Austin was put on notice in September that he’d lose the contract in 60 days if he didn’t “cure” those problems. He wasn’t able to find financing or partners to make payments, commissioners said.

The notice of default had a 60-day time limit, which would have been up on Sunday. When asked why they were terminating it three days early, they said the weather was turning cold and they wanted to have county staff “winterize” the facility as soon as possible.

Asked if the decision was at all prompted by fears Austin’s Motorsport manaoement company could declare bankruptcy, Board Chairman Todd Mielke would only say: “Rumors abound.”

james1300 · 10-29-2009, 08:27 PM

(sigh) at least we got a 'little' room before the 2010 season starts.

Dr E · 10-29-2009, 08:29 PM

Damn damn damn damn!!!!!

I hope they see the value that track brings to the area. Fingers crossed someone with moderate if not deep pockets can and will step up for this!

JohnnyM · 10-29-2009, 09:23 PM

As a wise man who knows this dance all too well once told me- the track isn't going away. They'll get a new operator, and if we're lucky they won't raise the rental rates...or if they do, it will be minimal.

Shaggy · 10-29-2009, 09:59 PM

They need someone to come in and give that place some TLC and make it more like Portland International Raceway!

odin544 · 10-29-2009, 10:08 PM

So who has got the county commissioners email addresses? We should start sending emails to let them know we want to see it stay open. Public support will do nothing but light a fire under their butt to get new management in their. Who's good at writing that stuff?

KevinD · 10-29-2009, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by odin544

Public support will do nothing but light a fire under their butt to get new management in their.

You haven't dealt with the Spokane County Commissioners, have you?

Remember: Spokane, but probably won't.

KevinD

JohnnyM · 10-29-2009, 11:02 PM

Oh, they want to keep it open...closing it would eliminate the revenue stream they've come to enjoy. Hell, they ran it on their own (with some guidance) for a while...why would it change? Unless they find a new operator...which could happen...

KevinD · 10-29-2009, 11:11 PM

I'm not saying that Raceway Park will not stay open.
I'm saying that trying to rush the county commissioners is like trying to rush a glacier...

KevinD

Avboden · 10-29-2009, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by KevinD

I'm not saying that Raceway Park will not stay open.
I'm saying that trying to rush the county commissioners is like trying to rush a glacier...

KevinD

IT'S GLOBAL WARMING!! THE GLACIERS ARE SPEEDING UP

oh sorry wrong thread.

but yeah, the track will stay open for sure, at least as a drag strip. everything else? who knows.

odin544 · 10-29-2009, 11:45 PM

yeah, you guys are probably right. we should just sit here and wait to see what happens . then when you cant ride there in 2010 you will have something to bitch about.

Turtle · 10-30-2009, 04:35 AM

Leaning on the Commissioners does nothing? Um, how do you think they were talked into buying the God damned thing in the first place? Riders, racers, and enthusiasts filling their email boxes and showing up at meetings for a year. Maybe you weren't around back then, KevinD, but many of the folks posting in this were.

dragracer1951 · 10-30-2009, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by Avboden

well, FUCK

rumor has it they cancel the 2010 season if they can't find another company, but a few are interested.

although KHQ says

there's no way this place won't be a racetrack...or at least a drag strip with all the construction already done.

Maybe you could get your Dad to buy it for you.

JohnnyM · 10-30-2009, 08:56 AM

dragracer1951 · 10-30-2009, 09:20 AM

BEWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Av neg'd me for that....
Now THAT's somw funny shit right there...

UhOh · 10-30-2009, 09:36 AM

this firm, prior firm ... neither able to pay bills & upkeep from revenue.
$1.2 million new debts.

hope it works for riders' sake, but wonder how this failed business model is going to change

could county & surrounding visitor oriented businesses subsidize a new operator?

KevinD · 10-30-2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by odin544

yeah, you guys are probably right. we should just sit here and wait to see what happens . then when you cant ride there in 2010 you will have something to bitch about.

Originally Posted by Turtle

Leaning on the Commissioners does nothing? Um, how do you think they were talked into buying the God damned thing in the first place? Riders, racers, and enthusiasts filling their email boxes and showing up at meetings for a year. Maybe you weren't around back then, KevinD, but many of the folks posting in this were.

Now you guys, I never said we shouldn't do something, even if it is simply e-mailing to show our thoughts.
I'm simply sayin' that I wouldn't expect any speedy resolution to the issue.

And I've been in & around Spokane for quite a while.

HERE is the link to contact the Commissioners.

KevinD

Dr E · 10-30-2009, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by KevinD

Now you guys, I never said we shouldn't do something, even if it is simply e-mailing to show our thoughts.
I'm simply sayin' that I wouldn't expect any speedy resolution to the issue.

And I've been in & around Spokane for quite a while.

HERE is the link to contact the Commissioners.

KevinD

Rep on you for the link! Thanks!

watskooo · 10-30-2009, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by UhOh

this firm, prior firm ... neither able to pay bills & upkeep from revenue.
$1.2 million new debts.

hope it works for riders' sake, but wonder how this failed business model is going to change

could county & surrounding visitor oriented businesses subsidize a new operator?

I'm not entirely sure this is completely accurate. From the stories I've read, the current operator was making the improvements ahead of schedule and without getting loans lined up to pay for them. I don't know that it's so much a failed business model as making some poor business decisions in a bad economy.

JohnnyM · 10-30-2009, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by watskooo

I'm not entirely sure this is completely accurate. From the stories I've read, the current operator was making the improvements ahead of schedule and without getting loans lined up to pay for them. I don't know that it's so much a failed business model as making some poor business decisions in a bad economy.

And the prior operator wasn't putting any funds into the facility, nor were they persuing new business...charging $200 and a case of Corona in trade for a weekend of riding may sound good on our end, but its a really shitty business model...

odin544 · 11-03-2009, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by KevinD

Now you guys, I never said we shouldn't do something, even if it is simply e-mailing to show our thoughts.
I'm simply sayin' that I wouldn't expect any speedy resolution to the issue.

And I've been in & around Spokane for quite a while.

HERE is the link to contact the Commissioners.

KevinD

I agree I wouldn't expect it to happen over night. But the sooner they start hearing from us the better.

Heck the county was running it on their own when they first got it weren't they? Maybe they would do it until they find a new operator?

Thank you for the link.

mcjunky · 11-03-2009, 12:14 PM

I hope they don't get another drag racer to run it again...maybe someone that sees the whole picture not just an 1/4 mile of it.

strangerin · 11-03-2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by mcjunky

I hope they don't get another drag racer to run it again...maybe someone that sees the whole picture not just an 1/4 mile of it.

Your point?
Compete w/ Stateline track for cars that are set up for 1/4 mile?
+ that 1/2mi track is kind of long, skinny shape.

I'll guess that it's about attendance and the dragstrip attracted the most people. After all it's the first year of opperation and if you"re going to compete with someone, why not make it 200mi away.

mcjunky · 11-03-2009, 01:21 PM

So would the drag strip attendance have dropped a ton if they didn't go and blow their load an concreting the 1st 1/8th mile? What do you think that cost to cater to a couple high hp cars?
I know there was a ton of track days for both bikes and cars out at the roadcourse, did Austin motorsports put on any of those events where they could have made money for the facility?
I went out to fox hunt and there was a good turnout.......unfortunately you had to wait in atleast a 1/2 hour....sometimes an hour line to get a beer.

Avboden · 11-03-2009, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by mcjunky

So would the drag strip attendance have dropped a ton if they didn't go and blow their load an concreting the 1st 1/8th mile? What do you think that cost to cater to a couple high hp cars?
I know there was a ton of track days for both bikes and cars out at the roadcourse, did Austin motorsports put on any of those events where they could have made money for the facility?
I went out to fox hunt and there was a good turnout.......unfortunately you had to wait in atleast a 1/2 hour....sometimes an hour line to get a beer.

The concrete was a very good idea. He just had his timing wrong, did too much at once. It's one thing to barely be at NHRA standards, but to be well above them will bring bigger and better drag racing events to the track.

lets be honest here, the drag strip is the easiest and fastest way for the place to make money.

smoothytaggert · 11-03-2009, 02:05 PM

subscribed... what can we as users of the track, and voters of our area, do to make this a locally owned track? There has to be a break somewhere that can make this a feasible option. County/city/gov't owned? Should we hit up Avista for this to be an option? Or should we get in touch with Ford Motor Company since they didn't take any Gov't funds from the bailout? They must have THE solution!
Did I mention that the upper management took pay cuts and gave up their bonuses for this to happen?**hint hint**

after reading through I feel I am at a loss for what is going on for terms of ownership... I'll be back with an intelligent response when I've done my homework... please resume banter

odin544 · 11-03-2009, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by mcjunky

So would the drag strip attendance have dropped a ton if they didn't go and blow their load an concreting the 1st 1/8th mile? What do you think that cost to cater to a couple high hp cars?
I know there was a ton of track days for both bikes and cars out at the roadcourse, did Austin motorsports put on any of those events where they could have made money for the facility?
I went out to fox hunt and there was a good turnout.......unfortunately you had to wait in atleast a 1/2 hour....sometimes an hour line to get a beer.

A few high HP cars? the truth is the drag strip is probably used the most.

late apex · 11-03-2009, 02:49 PM

There is no maybe about it, the dragstrip is the primary revenue stream.

Most tracks do not run track days themselves, they lease the track to track day providers who assume the majority of the risk for each event. The track does profit from trackdays in that they make their rental fee.

NoQuarter#121 · 11-03-2009, 05:07 PM

Man Spokane is a pain...

In biz, out of biz, new biz, no biz....

I hope they get it sorted, but it sure makes it tough to set up a race schedule when no one knows wtf is going on.

I love travelling to Spokane, I enjoy the track alot.

I hope they can sort it out.

#121

smoothytaggert · 11-03-2009, 09:02 PM

FFF? any info on this? I sent an email through inland speed so I hope some light is shined on this... thanks guys

smoothytaggert · 11-03-2009, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Turtle

Leaning on the Commissioners does nothing? Um, how do you think they were talked into buying the God damned thing in the first place? Riders, racers, and enthusiasts filling their email boxes and showing up at meetings for a year. Maybe you weren't around back then, KevinD, but many of the folks posting in this were.

thanks for the revival... any links for this?

KevinD · 11-03-2009, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by KevinD

HERE is the link to contact the Commissioners.

KevinD

PeteN95 · 11-04-2009, 09:39 AM

He did screw up by not arranging financing first, but the track actually came out ahead because he spent about $1m of his own money on improvements that he can't get back.

strangerin · 11-05-2009, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by mcjunky

So would the drag strip attendance have dropped a ton if they didn't go and blow their load an concreting the 1st 1/8th mile? What do you think that cost to cater to a couple high hp cars?

It's those high hp cars people turn out to see (AND whats' HH to U anyway - under 12sec. or what?)

Originally Posted by mcjunky

I know there was a ton of track days for both bikes and cars out at the roadcourse, did Austin motorsports put on any of those events where they could have made money for the facility?

Austin MS-Huh?
Thinking your talking about promotion now?
Seating for crowd ? cause in these event it's about corners

Originally Posted by mcjunky

I went out to fox hunt and there was a good turnout.......unfortunately you had to wait in atleast a 1/2 hour....sometimes an hour line to get a beer.

So partly You're about not enough concessions?

Fast Eddie 919 · 11-05-2009, 12:35 PM

I heard they would rather shut down than have their track defiled by the new BMW litre bike.

Perfecto · 11-05-2009, 08:48 PM

Except the contractors filed a lien against the county, so they'll probably end up paying for the improvements to it in the end.

strangerin · 11-06-2009, 10:34 AM

sounds like next round of improvments will be water/sewer related - like real toilets and running water.

odin544 · 11-06-2009, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by strangerin

sounds like next round of improvments will be water/sewer related - like real toilets and running water.

when is the last time you were there? They had the bathrooms fixed up when I first went there in July.

strangerin · 11-06-2009, 11:44 AM

Id have to check the event calander, but the Good Guys event, whenever that was they had the PolyJohns out.

I'll say maybe early fall

smoothytaggert · 11-06-2009, 02:58 PM

did a little research... take a read at the link. I maybe reading something into this, but it sounds like the writer of the article is hinting at, or SOUNDS like the commissioners office is up to something... someone enlighten me... the article left a bad taste in my mouth

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...cewaypark.html

why would they poke a stick at a dead animal... they could just get in there, show a little guidance, and make sure it was going as planned. In the end... it's not only the counties money, but the tax payers as well... Just too weird? Are you guys sure that the commissioners office is in charge of this property? I know fingers run deep... but it sounds like the land has been under development plans and they're looking for excuse to dump the project... - IMHO -


10-29-2009, 08:27 PM	#2
james1300 Track School Dazed Joined: Oct 2005 From: CENTRAL I Ride: When I can	(sigh) at least we got a 'little' room before the 2010 season starts. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-29-2009, 08:29 PM	#3
Dr E WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Oct 2008 From: Dry Shiddies I Ride: 2008 Hayabusa, 2005 Hayabusa, 2000 GSXR 750 Track Bike	Damn damn damn damn!!!!! I hope they see the value that track brings to the area. Fingers crossed someone with moderate if not deep pockets can and will step up for this! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-29-2009, 09:23 PM	#4
JohnnyM MotoGP Champion Joined: Jul 2006 From: Pullman, WA I Ride: '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory, '07 Vstar 1100 Classic	As a wise man who knows this dance all too well once told me- the track isn't going away. They'll get a new operator, and if we're lucky they won't raise the rental rates...or if they do, it will be minimal. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-29-2009, 09:59 PM	#5
Shaggy Endorsed Joined: Aug 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: 2002 Yamaha R-1 Track Bike, 2008 Yamaha R6	They need someone to come in and give that place some TLC and make it more like Portland International Raceway! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-29-2009, 10:08 PM	#6
odin544 Superbiker Joined: Apr 2007 From: Kennewick, Washington I Ride: '08 Ducati 848 street , '03 R6 race (for sale), '07 R6 race	So who has got the county commissioners email addresses? We should start sending emails to let them know we want to see it stay open. Public support will do nothing but light a fire under their butt to get new management in their. Who's good at writing that stuff? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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10-29-2009, 11:02 PM	#8
JohnnyM MotoGP Champion Joined: Jul 2006 From: Pullman, WA I Ride: '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory, '07 Vstar 1100 Classic	Oh, they want to keep it open...closing it would eliminate the revenue stream they've come to enjoy. Hell, they ran it on their own (with some guidance) for a while...why would it change? Unless they find a new operator...which could happen... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-29-2009, 11:11 PM	#9
KevinD Zone Head Joined: Mar 2009 From: Spokane Valley I Ride: Suzuki Boulevard C90, Honda CM250C	I'm not saying that Raceway Park will not stay open. I'm saying that trying to rush the county commissioners is like trying to rush a glacier... KevinD __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-29-2009, 11:45 PM	#11
odin544 Superbiker Joined: Apr 2007 From: Kennewick, Washington I Ride: '08 Ducati 848 street , '03 R6 race (for sale), '07 R6 race	yeah, you guys are probably right. we should just sit here and wait to see what happens . then when you cant ride there in 2010 you will have something to bitch about. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-30-2009, 04:35 AM	#12
Turtle MotoGP Champion Joined: Aug 2005 From: Spokane WA I Ride: Beerbohm's shapely breasts.	Leaning on the Commissioners does nothing? Um, how do you think they were talked into buying the God damned thing in the first place? Riders, racers, and enthusiasts filling their email boxes and showing up at meetings for a year. Maybe you weren't around back then, KevinD, but many of the folks posting in this were. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-30-2009, 08:56 AM	#14
JohnnyM MotoGP Champion Joined: Jul 2006 From: Pullman, WA I Ride: '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory, '07 Vstar 1100 Classic	__________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-30-2009, 09:20 AM	#15
dragracer1951 MotoGP Champion Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 03 Are See fiddy one, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	BEWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Av neg'd me for that.... Now THAT's somw funny shit right there... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-30-2009, 09:36 AM	#16
UhOh Superbiker Joined: Apr 2006 From: Tri-Cities, WA I Ride: Hither, Thither and Yon ... mostly day rides	this firm, prior firm ... neither able to pay bills & upkeep from revenue. $1.2 million new debts. hope it works for riders' sake, but wonder how this failed business model is going to change could county & surrounding visitor oriented businesses subsidize a new operator? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-03-2009, 12:14 PM	#22
mcjunky Superbiker Joined: Jun 2005 From: spokane I Ride: rz's, rd's, kx's, nsr's, rx, yz with a little zx thrown in	I hope they don't get another drag racer to run it again...maybe someone that sees the whole picture not just an 1/4 mile of it. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-03-2009, 01:21 PM	#24
mcjunky Superbiker Joined: Jun 2005 From: spokane I Ride: rz's, rd's, kx's, nsr's, rx, yz with a little zx thrown in	So would the drag strip attendance have dropped a ton if they didn't go and blow their load an concreting the 1st 1/8th mile? What do you think that cost to cater to a couple high hp cars? I know there was a ton of track days for both bikes and cars out at the roadcourse, did Austin motorsports put on any of those events where they could have made money for the facility? I went out to fox hunt and there was a good turnout.......unfortunately you had to wait in atleast a 1/2 hour....sometimes an hour line to get a beer. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-03-2009, 02:05 PM	#26
smoothytaggert Zone Head Joined: May 2006 From: lively Hagadone area I Ride: I ride to get lost and I never fail at that	subscribed... what can we as users of the track, and voters of our area, do to make this a locally owned track? There has to be a break somewhere that can make this a feasible option. County/city/gov't owned? Should we hit up Avista for this to be an option? Or should we get in touch with Ford Motor Company since they didn't take any Gov't funds from the bailout? They must have THE solution! Did I mention that the upper management took pay cuts and gave up their bonuses for this to happen?hint hint after reading through I feel I am at a loss for what is going on for terms of ownership... I'll be back with an intelligent response when I've done my homework... please resume banter __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by smoothytaggert; 11-03-2009 at 02:08 PM..


11-03-2009, 02:49 PM	#28
late apex MotoGP Contender Joined: Jul 2005 From: moscow, id Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: one handed, looking behind me.	There is no maybe about it, the dragstrip is the primary revenue stream. Most tracks do not run track days themselves, they lease the track to track day providers who assume the majority of the risk for each event. The track does profit from trackdays in that they make their rental fee. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-03-2009, 05:07 PM	#29
NoQuarter#121 Zone Head Joined: Sep 2007 From: 2nd star to the right and straight on 'til morning I Ride: on ice at 15F below zero	Man Spokane is a pain... In biz, out of biz, new biz, no biz.... I hope they get it sorted, but it sure makes it tough to set up a race schedule when no one knows wtf is going on. I love travelling to Spokane, I enjoy the track alot. I hope they can sort it out. #121 __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-03-2009, 09:02 PM	#30
smoothytaggert Zone Head Joined: May 2006 From: lively Hagadone area I Ride: I ride to get lost and I never fail at that	FFF? any info on this? I sent an email through inland speed so I hope some light is shined on this... thanks guys __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-04-2009, 09:39 AM	#33
PeteN95 Superbiker Joined: Jan 2008 From: Muk, WA I Ride: Suzuki SV1000N, XR650R, CRF450R	He did screw up by not arranging financing first, but the track actually came out ahead because he spent about $1m of his own money on improvements that he can't get back. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-05-2009, 12:35 PM	#35
Fast Eddie 919 Superbiker Joined: Jan 2009 From: Vancouver, WA I Ride: 04 Kawi ZZR 1200	I heard they would rather shut down than have their track defiled by the new BMW litre bike. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-05-2009, 08:48 PM	#36
Perfecto Training Wheels Joined: Mar 2008 From: Portland, OR I Ride: Kawasakiiiii 636	Except the contractors filed a lien against the county, so they'll probably end up paying for the improvements to it in the end. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-06-2009, 10:34 AM	#37
strangerin Superbiker Joined: Jul 2005 From: spokane I Ride: other peoples when they let me, working on Honda VF750	sounds like next round of improvments will be water/sewer related - like real toilets and running water. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-06-2009, 11:44 AM	#39
strangerin Superbiker Joined: Jul 2005 From: spokane I Ride: other peoples when they let me, working on Honda VF750	Id have to check the event calander, but the Good Guys event, whenever that was they had the PolyJohns out. I'll say maybe early fall __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by strangerin; 11-06-2009 at 11:46 AM.. Reason: early fall


11-06-2009, 02:58 PM	#40
smoothytaggert Zone Head Joined: May 2006 From: lively Hagadone area I Ride: I ride to get lost and I never fail at that	did a little research... take a read at the link. I maybe reading something into this, but it sounds like the writer of the article is hinting at, or SOUNDS like the commissioners office is up to something... someone enlighten me... the article left a bad taste in my mouth http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...cewaypark.html why would they poke a stick at a dead animal... they could just get in there, show a little guidance, and make sure it was going as planned. In the end... it's not only the counties money, but the tax payers as well... Just too weird? Are you guys sure that the commissioners office is in charge of this property? I know fingers run deep... but it sounds like the land has been under development plans and they're looking for excuse to dump the project... - IMHO - __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by smoothytaggert; 11-06-2009 at 03:14 PM..

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