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11-03-2009, 03:00 PM
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| MotoGP Contender Joined: Mar 2007 From: Portland/Beaverton I Ride: 2007 Yamaha R6s | what would be acceptable punishment for a motorist killing a motorcyclist? So, in conjunction with this thread ( Driver Gets 1 Year For Killing Man On Motorcycle ) that, so far, is full of comments, no one has answered what I feel is a very important question: What would be acceptable punishment for a motorist killing a motorcyclist? Ideas?, thoughts?, what has to change? |
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11-03-2009, 03:07 PM
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| Je Fa Fa Joined: Mar 2007 From: Lynnwood, WA I Ride: 08 naked SV650 | 
I make the choice to be in/on a less than protected vehicle when I jump on a motorcycle. I expect that anyone who kills me in a car, accidentally, will be punished no more and no less than they would be punished than if I was in a car. no one should get special treatment for choosing a less protected method of transportation. is the person over the limit or otherwise under the influence? toss the book at them. | |
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11-03-2009, 03:07 PM
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| Moderator  Joined: Feb 2006 From: Marysville, WA I Ride: Scooty Puff Sr: The Doom-Bringer! | Just because it was a biker that died doesn't mean they should receive different punishment. An accidental death is still an accidental death. Punishment should be consistent with the circumstances. The range is huge. From completely accidental and unavoidable (bike runs redlight), to gross negligence and/or malicious. The punishments will vary greatly. |
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11-03-2009, 03:16 PM
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| Retired Joined: Aug 2006 From: Spokane, WA I Ride: Cuz' it makes me smile! |
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11-03-2009, 03:17 PM
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| WMRRA Qualifier Joined: May 2008 From: Fairview I Ride: Really fucking late at night! 1998 VFR800 Interceptor, 08 KLR650, 93 KLR650, 03 SV1000S, 97 CBR600F3 | Every case must be judge on its merit. No blanket policy could work. |
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11-03-2009, 03:17 PM
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| Superbiker | meh....drivers in seattle were not getting anything more than a traffic violation for killing bicyclists so to see 1yr for a drunk to run over a motorcyclist is pretty big unfortunately its the way it is....until shit changes from the top down.....its not going to change still sucks tho imo....its situational...a case by case thing you cant just throw someone in jail and throw away a key if someone dies in an accident unfortunately....riding a motorcycle is dangerous and you take that risk everytime you get on one....if someone dies in an accident and its just that...an "accident" (no drugs, alcohol, phones, make-up, road rage, etc.....) you really cant throw the other person in jail for ever because an accident happened now if there is a death involved with alcohol, drugs, road rage or just flat out irresponsible driving.....there should be some very strict penalties involved you kill someone either driving or riding because you were drinking, drugging, racing or just flat out being a dumb ass on the road....you deserve to have some very strict laws come at you |
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11-03-2009, 03:30 PM
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| Moderator Joined: Jul 2007 From: Portland I Ride: '07 R1, '08 WR250X |
Castration. That's easy.  | |
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11-03-2009, 03:42 PM
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| Moderator Joined: Feb 2006 From: Marysville, WA I Ride: Scooty Puff Sr: The Doom-Bringer! |
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11-03-2009, 03:55 PM
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| Endorsed Joined: Aug 2009 From: Portland OR I Ride: 92 CBR 600F2 | 2005 Kawasaki Ninja 500EX (street Fightered) | Well... Circumstance is everything, and I don't know the story behind this situation. I do know though that in the case we're discussing, alcohol was involved on the cagers side, and apparantly he was at fault. That to me displays negligent and irresponsible behavior which resulted in the loss of another mans life. A year is a breeze in prison so I feel that is not enough, and probation for adults is nothing either. |
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11-03-2009, 04:04 PM
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| Mr. 500,000  Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX |
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11-03-2009, 04:05 PM
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| Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX |
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11-03-2009, 04:37 PM
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| Je Fa Fa Joined: Mar 2007 From: Lynnwood, WA I Ride: 08 naked SV650 |
maybe general discussion... unless the OP is asking about portland area court rulings... | |
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11-03-2009, 04:38 PM
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| MotoGP Contender Joined: Mar 2007 From: Portland/Beaverton I Ride: 2007 Yamaha R6s |
 In fact, I'm reporting this post  ps...yes Koor...that's what I'm doing  | |
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11-03-2009, 04:53 PM
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| Forum Administrator  Joined: Oct 2004 From: bfe, FU I Ride: your mom. | drunk drivers get off way too easy. you hear too many stories of repeat offenders, as well. this should be ringing bells for lawmakers, but nothing's happening about it. |
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11-03-2009, 05:05 PM
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| Endorsed Joined: Mar 2008 From: Portland, Or I Ride: On 4 wheels 4 now... | The discussion of "Punishment should fit the crime" has been around for years and it would never pass because of the varying circumstances of a crime/accident. If it did, we would be back in the dark ages or Middle East where if you steal something then you would get a finger cut off. |
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11-03-2009, 05:28 PM
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| beansbaxter is too lazy to come up with something but he will get to it, eventually... | Vehicular homicide SHOULD be punished the same across the board. Unfortunately the severity of the crime really depends on who the offender was and who it was that was killed. |
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11-03-2009, 05:32 PM
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| Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX |
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11-03-2009, 05:38 PM
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| Endorsed Joined: Mar 2008 From: Portland, Or I Ride: On 4 wheels 4 now... | Yea, if you're a football/basketball star, you could go get drunk, drive and kill somebody and get a year probation or community service and a public apology and you're off scot free. DAMN.... |
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11-03-2009, 05:59 PM
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| WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Aug 2008 From: Vancouver Washington I Ride: broken ones | It appears that at times -- someone that hits a bicycle gets harsher time assigned to them than a perosn who willfully drank and hit someone on a motorcycle. There needs to be somthing other than a slap onthe wrist -- IMO - I think a year is not nearly enough. |
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11-03-2009, 06:58 PM
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| Endorsed | Firing squad with all guns loaded. Or Sit them naked in a tub of salt water and electrify it. but im just bias cause im a rider. im sure a non-rider would say that they got a fair punishment. who knows maybe all that marijuwana smoking I did as a teen messed up my mind |
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11-03-2009, 07:07 PM
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| Zone Head Joined: Apr 2009 From: Roseburg, Oregon I Ride: 2008 Ninja 650R |
I think premeditated murder with a mandatory minimum of 5 years for drunk drivers that kill someone while behind the wheel or handlebars of a motorized vehicle.... Period! | |
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11-03-2009, 07:25 PM
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| MotoGP Contender Joined: Jul 2007 From: An unstated X,Y,Z coordinate I Ride: 09 Blk Daytona 675 (better than hoochie), BLK/Silver 06 Tiger, Red 04 R1, Yellow 99 Daytona 955i |
Drugs or Alcohol involved no question 15+ no parole - and that really doesnt resolve it for the family - I agree that each incident should be based on the circumstances of how the accident came to be. Other than alcohol or drugs it is hard to say what would be just and fair punishment. If it was truely an accident - but then define accident in my opinion an accident is only in the case of an act of nature - tree falls deer runs out in road etc. Anything else is not an accident - someone FAILED to exercise proper JUDGEMENT and or LOOK before doing something. Granted I preface that with the motorist was at total fault - nothing the motorcyclist did was wrong - speeding or other act that is not within the normal and proper use of a motor vehicle. | |||
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11-03-2009, 08:31 PM
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| Streetfighter Joined: Sep 2008 From: bellingham, WA I Ride: 2006 dr z400s, 1979 Suzuki GS750 (about to be 1000cc), 1965 Honda CL160 (racer) |
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11-03-2009, 08:32 PM
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| Endorsed Joined: Jul 2007 From: Pugetopolis, WA I Ride: zedX14/Ktm625SXC sm trim |
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...ruck_kill.html motorcyclist had a higher BAC (reportedly 0.18 ) than the motorist (see comments from the author) and was speeding one-size-fits-all can't account for every aberration so really shouldn't ever be made 'law' IMO | |
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11-03-2009, 08:51 PM
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| MotoGP Champion | Killing is cheap Moose Poaching Nets Prison Terms At sentencing, Judge James Michaud sentenced the pair to up to four years in the state penitentiary as well as ordering that $1,500 be paid to the state of Idaho as restitution for the moose. Michaud also suspended the men’s hunting, fishing and trapping licenses for 10 years. Williams entered a guilty plea on a misdemeanor charge of possessing the meat and lost his privileges for two years. Turtle poaching Song was sentenced to 10-months of home confinement and a $2,000 fine. Salmon poaching (1) A transient was sentenced to 10 days in jail in San Luis Obispo County for catching and cooking a steelhead trout, a federally protected fish. |
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11-03-2009, 10:18 PM
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| MotoGP Contender Joined: Jul 2007 From: An unstated X,Y,Z coordinate I Ride: 09 Blk Daytona 675 (better than hoochie), BLK/Silver 06 Tiger, Red 04 R1, Yellow 99 Daytona 955i |
In this case both are at fault as both had XX amount of alcohol in their blood. So I would say this one is a hard call - appartently both are at fault. If you take it at face value is a 1 year sentence enough for killing another person no I would say not. | |
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11-03-2009, 11:17 PM
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| Superbiker Joined: Apr 2007 From: Port Angeles WA I Ride: 2007 ZX-10R SE, 2005 450 EXC, 1980 GS750 Cafe Project |
Ok, back on topic. | ||
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11-03-2009, 11:17 PM
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| jimd2p aka Dweezlebutt | There's a lot of threads on this forum that they could be forced to read. Their eye's and ears would bleed, they vomit profusely, and have explosive diary. Subject them to that for a few years and they would never get in/on another vehicle again. |
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11-04-2009, 12:09 AM
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| Superbiker  Joined: Nov 2007 From: Silverdale, Wa I Ride: Buell XB9SX City-X | extradiction to Texas, and head of the line priveleges in death row Or if I am able, I see it as a clear point of self defense, and I will exercise my second amendment rights. |
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