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Old 05-06-2008, 01:58 PM   #1
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For Noobs - Riding Positions
http://files.meetup.com/454001/RidingSkills.pdf

http://citybiker.wordpress.com/2007/...ight-position/

Hope these help you out
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Old 05-06-2008, 02:03 PM   #2
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seems like this should be moved into the general section, seems to be good info
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Old 05-06-2008, 02:09 PM   #3
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hella good info. gonna help me a lot
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Old 05-06-2008, 02:11 PM   #4
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Good stuff right there, thanks for posting!
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Old 05-06-2008, 02:35 PM   #5
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Thanks!
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Old 05-06-2008, 02:47 PM   #6
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Good read! Thanx!
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Old 05-06-2008, 03:11 PM   #7
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cool i have been doing it right



thanks for the post!
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Old 05-06-2008, 04:35 PM   #8
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how?
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seems like this should be moved into the general section, seems to be good info
How would I go about getting it moved there Shrek?


Bump that. I see it moved already.
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Old 05-06-2008, 04:38 PM   #9
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Just thought that I would help out. Went on a run with a few noobs. I am just an advanced noob myslef. That's what I like to call myslef cuz I am learning all the time...lol

Glad it helped some of you out.
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Old 05-06-2008, 07:49 PM   #10
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Thanks Ryder. Those are both really good articles. I vote to sticky them.

-Craig
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Old 05-06-2008, 08:07 PM   #11
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thanks for the info. every noob should read that.
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Old 05-06-2008, 08:12 PM   #12
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Thanks! Answers some questions I have had.
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Old 05-06-2008, 08:16 PM   #13
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Wow, good articles. I definitely find myself "bracing" on the handlebars, a habit I really need to break.
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Old 05-06-2008, 08:33 PM   #14
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I like how it mentions counter-steering...everyone read washington's motorcycle test pamphlet? I seem to remember it saying to (always) steer into the direction of travel which is something I didn't agree with. I lost faith in the pamphlet pretty quickly...
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:11 PM   #15
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Great read

I've been doing it wrong all this time and didn't know it I am no longer going to steer with my chin
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:22 PM   #16
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nice find there and a good tool for every rider
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Old 05-07-2008, 06:42 AM   #17
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Good info
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:01 AM   #18
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I like how it mentions counter-steering...everyone read washington's motorcycle test pamphlet? I seem to remember it saying to (always) steer into the direction of travel which is something I didn't agree with. I lost faith in the pamphlet pretty quickly...
Are you saying that you don't believe in coutersteering? If that's what you're saying I strongly suggest taking the Lee Parks Total Control Advance Rider Course:

http://www.pugetsoundsafety.com/leeparks_schedule.asp

May 18th is still available!

What the pamphlet linked above talks about is using body steering in conjunction with countersteering. I quote from said pamphlet:

“ Quote:
Before experimenting with body steering, a rider needs to be proficient at countersteering. Also, bad habits-such as riding with locked elbows or improper body positioning can dull or even negate the effects of body steering.
Push left, go left. Push right, go right (AKA coutersteering). That's how you steer a motorcycle at any speed above about 5 or 10 MPH.

Jimmie
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:56 AM   #19
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“ Quote:
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Are you saying that you don't believe in coutersteering? If that's what you're saying I strongly suggest taking the Lee Parks Total Control Advance Rider Course:

http://www.pugetsoundsafety.com/leeparks_schedule.asp

May 18th is still available!

What the pamphlet linked above talks about is using body steering in conjunction with countersteering. I quote from said pamphlet:



Push left, go left. Push right, go right (AKA coutersteering). That's how you steer a motorcycle at any speed above about 5 or 10 MPH.

Jimmie

Perhaps I wasn't being clear.

Of course I believe in countersteering. I think it would be nearly impossible to turn at speed without countersteering.

Verbatim from the current Washington State DOL Motomanual as it pertains to turning:

LEAN — To turn, the motorcycle must lean. To lean
the motorcycle, press on the handgrip in the direction
of the turn. Press left — lean left — go left. Press
right — lean right — go right. Higher speeds and/or
tighter turns require the motorcycle to lean more.

Perhaps they need to change the wording to say press FORWARD on the handgrip in the direction of the turn resulting in the front tire pointed in the opposite direction of intended travel.

It seemed like a pretty important tidbit of info to be fuzzy on its explanation.
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:38 PM   #20
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Saying that the front tire will point towards the opposite direction of travel will only confuse people more. It's also not entirely correct, which will confuse people even more. Once you stabilize the lean, your front wheel will be pointing in the direction of travel.

Also, looking in the intended direction of travel is not something that should be practiced. It's natural. What you need to practice is looking at something and then steering AWAY from whatever you're looking at. There will be situations where you want to keep a close eye on something, but will want to steer away from it. Take, for example, a hot chick in a car. You won't impress her by crashing into her. In all seriousness, learn to steer away while being target-fixated. It'll come in much more handy, because target fixation is natural and is much harder to fight in tight situations.
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Old 05-07-2008, 01:35 PM   #21
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Glad it helped some of you out. Helped me a lot as well.
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:45 PM   #22
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Saying that the front tire will point towards the opposite direction of travel will only confuse people more. It's also not entirely correct, which will confuse people even more. Once you stabilize the lean, your front wheel will be pointing in the direction of travel.

Also, looking in the intended direction of travel is not something that should be practiced. It's natural. What you need to practice is looking at something and then steering AWAY from whatever you're looking at. There will be situations where you want to keep a close eye on something, but will want to steer away from it. Take, for example, a hot chick in a car. You won't impress her by crashing into her. In all seriousness, learn to steer away while being target-fixated. It'll come in much more handy, because target fixation is natural and is much harder to fight in tight situations.
Couldn't agree more.

Natural is best, maybe I just wrap my brain around ideas in a different way than most people do. I think we understand what we "mean" to say.
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Old 05-08-2008, 09:20 AM   #23
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I shoulda read that about three weeks ago
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