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Old 12-16-2008, 07:57 AM   #81
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More rules = bad.

I agree that there are times when loud pipes can be a nuisance. But c'mon, don't we have enough rules in this country as it is? As long as nobody is getting hurt, can't we just be annoyed for a few seconds and move on? I think those little import tuner cars sound god-awful when I hear these kids tear-assing around with their foot to the floor and their Type R V S Super-Fart exhausts whine away up the highway near my house on Hwy 99. But hey, if I didn't want to worry about traffic noise, I wouldn't be living a block from a highway, would I? I hear trucks on the freeway, which also isn't too far from my house, flipping on their jake brakes. I hear construction equipment. I hear car alarms. I hear fire engines and police sirens. I LIVE IN A CITY. IT'S PART OF THE FUCKING DEAL.

My CBR has an aftermarket pipe on it, and while a little extra power and weight savings were factors in the purchase I would say the main reason I bought it was probably because I feel like a sportbike shouldn't sound like a spaceship from the Jetsons. It needs to sound mean. It's not deafening, but I'm sure it's louder than the legal limit. I give a shit.

I've got a full Yosh exhaust for my DRZ sitting in my basement right now. I'm installing it because it looks cool, it adds horsepower, and it's loud. I don't give a rat's ass about "loud pipes saving lives", and frankly I don't care, I just want my bike to sound good. And to me, louder is better. Within reason. I realize that my "reason" and your "reason" may different, and I realize that this probably annoys some people. And I'm sorry about that. But not sorry enough to change it.

We have too many rules about shit that isn't really hurting anybody as it is. Sure, I make a face and talk some shit when another '87 Honda Prelude squeals and farts its way out of the AMPM across the street, and I agree that there needs to be some general sort of noise pollution regulations in place - I would be pissed if my next door neighbor was out revving his CRF450 at 4am every morning. I'd talk to him, or call the cops if need be, or whatever. But that doesn't mean I need every dirtbike on the planet to run on the Red October silent drive.

What I'm saying here is this: If we're not careful about these kinds of rules, we're going to regulate individuality, and eventually a little something called fun, right out of this country. We're doing a pretty damn good job of this already, actually.

Philosophically, my right to be an annoying jackass does not override your right to protect your eardrums from unsolicited bleeding. But on the other hand, your right to be a pussy does not override my right to motorcycle badassery. We're both annoyed with each other, so that means the current balance is probably just about right. Once one side gets too many concessions, the other side is probably getting screwed over.

Let's agree to all be a little annoyed with each other and that way we all get to keep some of our freedoms.
Well put sir!
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:01 AM   #82
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washington already has laws against it... i know people that have been pulled over for having Akra cans on thier R1...

Max A-weighted sound level as measured at 50 feet (WAC 173-62-030): 1)78dBA at 45mph or less; 2)82dBA over 45mph. Stationary 20 inch standard: Models before 1986--99dBA.

here is the limits in which Washington has in place.
http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/l...t.asp?state=wa


and Oregon.
Max A-weighted noise level as measured at 20 inches: 1)Manufactured 1975 and before--102dBA; 2) Manufactured after 1975--99dBA.

http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/l...t.asp?state=OR


point is that most sportbikes at idle even with aftermarket exhausts are not putting out over 80 db, my friend got ticketed, and he told me he was in 1st gear accelerating onto the highway, and passed a police car at about 60... yeah, it would be getting loud at that point. maybe everybody just needs to pull the Rpm's down and relax... i can make mine really loud, or really quite depending on my gear. anyways my .02
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:56 PM   #83
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That's crap. New York is notorious at stripping your rights. They made the words "b*tch" and "n*gger" illegal to say last year. Um... violation of freedom of speach?

Vaun, I hate to see you side with this decision and say "Yea, screw you guys with loud pipes! You deserve to have your bike taken!" because I know for a fact my 636 puts out higher noise levels than 80db.

/\Say you and I went to a bikenight downtown. After the event we head out to our... uh... your bike. Mine has been towed/impounded and in its place is a ticket for $1,000.00. Um....???? This law says they can do this to you even if your bike is parked and NO SOUND DETECTION is required! I certainly am not one fo those guys who flies around city blocks (hell, I rarely ride in the city at all) but certainly just cruising along with aftermarket pipes shouldn't get my $15,000 of property impounded and ticketed. You might get your own bike taken too because you haev an aftermarket can!
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Old 12-18-2008, 01:25 PM   #84
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Personally I left all but one of my pipes stock, because when I'm spoolin up and over 11,000 Rpm that last thing I want is to advertise to the BoysInBlu, but that's just me. The inability of one to make a personal choice, sucks much louder than any straight pipe.

I'm sure this is a repost...but it's still funny

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Old 12-18-2008, 01:36 PM   #85
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More rules = bad.

I agree that there are times when loud pipes can be a nuisance. But c'mon, don't we have enough rules in this country as it is? As long as nobody is getting hurt, can't we just be annoyed for a few seconds and move on? I think those little import tuner cars sound god-awful when I hear these kids tear-assing around with their foot to the floor and their Type R V S Super-Fart exhausts whine away up the highway near my house on Hwy 99. But hey, if I didn't want to worry about traffic noise, I wouldn't be living a block from a highway, would I? I hear trucks on the freeway, which also isn't too far from my house, flipping on their jake brakes. I hear construction equipment. I hear car alarms. I hear fire engines and police sirens. I LIVE IN A CITY. IT'S PART OF THE FUCKING DEAL.

My CBR has an aftermarket pipe on it, and while a little extra power and weight savings were factors in the purchase I would say the main reason I bought it was probably because I feel like a sportbike shouldn't sound like a spaceship from the Jetsons. It needs to sound mean. It's not deafening, but I'm sure it's louder than the legal limit. I give a shit.

I've got a full Yosh exhaust for my DRZ sitting in my basement right now. I'm installing it because it looks cool, it adds horsepower, and it's loud. I don't give a rat's ass about "loud pipes saving lives", and frankly I don't care, I just want my bike to sound good. And to me, louder is better. Within reason. I realize that my "reason" and your "reason" may different, and I realize that this probably annoys some people. And I'm sorry about that. But not sorry enough to change it.

We have too many rules about shit that isn't really hurting anybody as it is. Sure, I make a face and talk some shit when another '87 Honda Prelude squeals and farts its way out of the AMPM across the street, and I agree that there needs to be some general sort of noise pollution regulations in place - I would be pissed if my next door neighbor was out revving his CRF450 at 4am every morning. I'd talk to him, or call the cops if need be, or whatever. But that doesn't mean I need every dirtbike on the planet to run on the Red October silent drive.

What I'm saying here is this: If we're not careful about these kinds of rules, we're going to regulate individuality, and eventually a little something called fun, right out of this country. We're doing a pretty damn good job of this already, actually.

Philosophically, my right to be an annoying jackass does not override your right to protect your eardrums from unsolicited bleeding. But on the other hand, your right to be a pussy does not override my right to motorcycle badassery. We're both annoyed with each other, so that means the current balance is probably just about right. Once one side gets too many concessions, the other side is probably getting screwed over.

Let's agree to all be a little annoyed with each other and that way we all get to keep some of our freedoms.
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