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Devil_Doc · 02-22-2009, 10:30 AM

Do these actually work? Anyone have any EXPERIENCE with this, or similar products? Thanks..

http://www.pashnit.com/product/cheetah_m25_rider.html

Shrek X · 02-22-2009, 10:44 AM

I am fairly certain they are illegal, so I dont think anyone has any experience with them.

bubba_zenetti · 02-22-2009, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

I am fairly certain they are illegal, so I dont think anyone has any experience with them.

its only illegal if you get caught doing it

Devil_Doc · 02-22-2009, 10:49 AM

Oh, no. I'm not asking because I want to use one. I'm asking in a purely hypothetical sense.

750Rider · 02-22-2009, 10:57 AM

The use of a radar detector in a passenger vehicle is legal in all states with the exception of Virginia, Washington DC. and on military bases.

Radar detectors are illegal in all commercial vehicles weighing over 10,000 pounds

Laser Jammers and Radar Jammers are illegal in the states of Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, California, Oklahoma, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois and Washington DC.

If you decide to use a laser jammer in one of the states that they are outlawed, consider getting the Blinder M-20 or M-40 or the Lidakek LE-30. The Blinder and the Lidatek are the only laser jammers made today that give minimal "error codes" to the police laser guns.

So radar jammers are illegal due to you not having a FCC license for those frequencies . Laser on the other hand you are not producing a "radio" frequency so they are legal in some states.

Shrek X · 02-22-2009, 11:11 AM

^^ apparently your right... for some reason I thought they were illegal in WA and OR

disregard my post.

LearMechanic · 02-22-2009, 01:57 PM

We went over jammers when going through the RADAR and LIDAR classes. They had a case in WA where the LEO was using LIDAR, and the signal was jammed. The LEO stopped the vehicle for another violation, other than the speed, and observed the jammer installation. Must've been a poor installation, as you can tuck the jammer heads away pretty nice if you take you time on the install.

Even though not technically illegal by the "rules of the road" by which all LEOs enforce, the LEO charged the driver with obstruction. Due to the jammer being willfully installed, and it hindered / delayed the LEOs official duty. In this case enforcing traffic. The charge stuck, and the equipment was confiscated as evidence.

The instructor advised us to do the same if we come across the jammers. I haven't seen one yet.

Shrek X · 02-22-2009, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by LearMechanic

We went over jammers when going through the RADAR and LIDAR classes. They had a case in WA where the LEO was using LIDAR, and the signal was jammed. The LEO stopped the vehicle for another violation, other than the speed, and observed the jammer installation. Must've been a poor installation, as you can tuck the jammer heads away pretty nice if you take you time on the install.

Even though not technically illegal by the "rules of the road" by which all LEOs enforce, the LEO charged the driver with obstruction. Due to the jammer being willfully installed, and it hindered / delayed the LEOs official duty. In this case enforcing traffic. The charge stuck, and the equipment was confiscated as evidence.

The instructer advised us to do the same if we come across the jammers. I haven't seen one yet.

wow... didnt see that angle. good feedback, thanks man

shelbyguy · 02-22-2009, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by LearMechanic

We went over jammers when going through the RADAR and LIDAR classes. They had a case in WA where the LEO was using LIDAR, and the signal was jammed. The LEO stopped the vehicle for another violation, other than the speed, and observed the jammer installation. Must've been a poor installation, as you can tuck the jammer heads away pretty nice if you take you time on the install.

Even though not technically illegal by the "rules of the road" by which all LEOs enforce, the LEO charged the driver with obstruction. Due to the jammer being willfully installed, and it hindered / delayed the LEOs official duty. In this case enforcing traffic. The charge stuck, and the equipment was confiscated as evidence.

The instructer advised us to do the same if we come across the jammers. I haven't seen one yet.

i was gonna ask about that...i could so see that one coming.

LearMechanic · 02-22-2009, 07:28 PM

I'd still buy one..... Looks like they work well....

jeremy · 02-22-2009, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by LearMechanic

I'd still buy one..... Looks like they work well....

....you just convinced me to buy two of these things.

MichelinMan · 02-22-2009, 08:07 PM

Good thread.

JohnnyM · 02-22-2009, 08:17 PM

Did they mention the brand name? All the third party "real-world" testing I've read about boiled down to more or less "they don't work". If there is one out there that actually does, I'm sure many of us would like to know which.

gixxerjeff · 02-22-2009, 08:46 PM

i had a blinder on my bike for about 500 miles. it works. i had difficulty finding a place to mount it in the front as when i would break hard/absorb big bumps the unit (located between front wheel and bottom of front fairing) would make contact with front wheel fender/fairing in return which would rub against the front tire creating havoc for the plastic. but then again i dont ride at an average pace.

shelbyguy · 02-22-2009, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyM

Did they mention the brand name? All the third party "real-world" testing I've read about boiled down to more or less "they don't work". If there is one out there that actually does, I'm sure many of us would like to know which.

pm chameleon...
he was looking into this a while ago...he found a specific test..that involved cali hwy patrol and a few manufacturers

tbagg · 02-22-2009, 08:53 PM

subscribed.. would like to know more.

lo9key · 02-22-2009, 09:04 PM

Same, if anyone comes across real world comparisons please let us know. I've done some web browsing but haven't come across anything trustworthy yet.

Chameleon · 02-22-2009, 11:15 PM

Retired traffic officer turned speed enforcement counter-measure advocate "Radar" Roy Reyer is a good source of info and products known to work well.

http://www.radarbusters.com/radar-detector-info.cfm
http://www.radarroysbuyersguide.com/
http://www.radarroysbuyersguide.com/netshops-sml2008/
http://www.radarroy.com/
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/

http://www.stealthstreetbike.com/
http://www.stealthhog.com/

GixxerPete · 02-23-2009, 08:47 AM

Radar jammers are snake oil, they don't work. Laser jammers do work. Legality varies.

Nicegy525 · 02-23-2009, 12:24 PM

radar jammers are illegal in all states due to FCC licensing requirements

Laser jammers are legal except in the states listed above and can be effective if used properly.

Having a radar/laser detector and/or jammer does not guarantee you the ability to go mach 10 down public roads.

However, if youre traveling just above the ticket threshold and your detector goes off, odds are you can slow down and will escape a hefty fine.

phenixdragon · 02-24-2009, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by LearMechanic

We went over jammers when going through the RADAR and LIDAR classes. They had a case in WA where the LEO was using LIDAR, and the signal was jammed. The LEO stopped the vehicle for another violation, other than the speed, and observed the jammer installation. Must've been a poor installation, as you can tuck the jammer heads away pretty nice if you take you time on the install.

Even though not technically illegal by the "rules of the road" by which all LEOs enforce, the LEO charged the driver with obstruction. Due to the jammer being willfully installed, and it hindered / delayed the LEOs official duty. In this case enforcing traffic. The charge stuck, and the equipment was confiscated as evidence.

The instructor advised us to do the same if we come across the jammers. I haven't seen one yet.

I think it really is just going to depend on the judge because I can see this going either way. I mean at the same time you are not obstructing justice. I makes me think about states where lane spliiting is legal. Technically it is not legal but there is just no specific law saying it is. But it's just as illegal for a car to split lanes and it would be for a car.

evander · 02-24-2009, 07:23 AM

dragracer1951 · 02-24-2009, 07:42 AM

Uh
Radar detectors are NOT ilegal in Washington
Jamming is illegal.

[QUOTE=750Rider;1563329]The use of a radar detector in a passenger vehicle is legal in all states with the exception of Virginia, Washington DC. and on military bases.

Radar detectors are illegal in all commercial vehicles weighing over 10,000 pounds

QUOTE]

Devil_Doc · 02-24-2009, 10:47 AM

If I was to (hypothetically, of course) use one of these, it wouldn't be for "mach 10". More like a sustained 85ish if I was to do a long distance ride. Say, 1000 miles in under 24 hours...

Chameleon · 02-24-2009, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Devil_Doc

If I was to (hypothetically, of course) use one of these, it wouldn't be for "mach 10". More like a sustained 85ish if I was to do a long distance ride. Say, 1000 miles in under 24 hours...

Fast is slow, slow is fast...
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02-22-2009, 10:30 AM	#1
Devil_Doc Superbiker Joined: Sep 2008 From: Kirkland via Dallas I Ride: 04 CBR 1000rr	Laser/Radar Jammer Do these actually work? Anyone have any EXPERIENCE with this, or similar products? Thanks.. http://www.pashnit.com/product/cheetah_m25_rider.html __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-22-2009, 10:44 AM	#2
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Out There... some where... I Ride: VTX	I am fairly certain they are illegal, so I dont think anyone has any experience with them. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-22-2009, 10:49 AM	#4
Devil_Doc Superbiker Joined: Sep 2008 From: Kirkland via Dallas I Ride: 04 CBR 1000rr	Oh, no. I'm not asking because I want to use one. I'm asking in a purely hypothetical sense. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-22-2009, 10:57 AM	#5
750Rider WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Dec 2007 From: Salem, OR I Ride: 2010 R1 Rossi Replica & 2004 GSXR750	The use of a radar detector in a passenger vehicle is legal in all states with the exception of Virginia, Washington DC. and on military bases. Radar detectors are illegal in all commercial vehicles weighing over 10,000 pounds Laser Jammers and Radar Jammers are illegal in the states of Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, California, Oklahoma, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois and Washington DC. If you decide to use a laser jammer in one of the states that they are outlawed, consider getting the Blinder M-20 or M-40 or the Lidakek LE-30. The Blinder and the Lidatek are the only laser jammers made today that give minimal "error codes" to the police laser guns. So radar jammers are illegal due to you not having a FCC license for those frequencies . Laser on the other hand you are not producing a "radio" frequency so they are legal in some states. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by 750Rider; 02-22-2009 at 11:01 AM..


02-22-2009, 11:11 AM	#6
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Out There... some where... I Ride: VTX	^^ apparently your right... for some reason I thought they were illegal in WA and OR disregard my post. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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02-22-2009, 01:57 PM	#7
LearMechanic (Washington) County Joined: Apr 2007 From: East Wenatchee I Ride: '07 Sprint ST 1050	We went over jammers when going through the RADAR and LIDAR classes. They had a case in WA where the LEO was using LIDAR, and the signal was jammed. The LEO stopped the vehicle for another violation, other than the speed, and observed the jammer installation. Must've been a poor installation, as you can tuck the jammer heads away pretty nice if you take you time on the install. Even though not technically illegal by the "rules of the road" by which all LEOs enforce, the LEO charged the driver with obstruction. Due to the jammer being willfully installed, and it hindered / delayed the LEOs official duty. In this case enforcing traffic. The charge stuck, and the equipment was confiscated as evidence. The instructor advised us to do the same if we come across the jammers. I haven't seen one yet. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by LearMechanic; 02-22-2009 at 07:28 PM..


02-22-2009, 07:28 PM	#10
LearMechanic (Washington) County Joined: Apr 2007 From: East Wenatchee I Ride: '07 Sprint ST 1050	I'd still buy one..... Looks like they work well.... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-22-2009, 08:07 PM	#12
MichelinMan Joined: May 2007 From: the Westside I Ride: only on the center of my tire.	Good thread. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-22-2009, 08:17 PM	#13
JohnnyM MotoGP Champion Joined: Jul 2006 From: Pullman, WA I Ride: '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory, '07 Vstar 1100 Classic	Did they mention the brand name? All the third party "real-world" testing I've read about boiled down to more or less "they don't work". If there is one out there that actually does, I'm sure many of us would like to know which. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-22-2009, 08:46 PM	#14
gixxerjeff emw2k9 beer pong champions Joined: Oct 2006 From: Valley of the Sun, AZ I Ride: 06 gixxer 1000	i had a blinder on my bike for about 500 miles. it works. i had difficulty finding a place to mount it in the front as when i would break hard/absorb big bumps the unit (located between front wheel and bottom of front fairing) would make contact with front wheel fender/fairing in return which would rub against the front tire creating havoc for the plastic. but then again i dont ride at an average pace. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-22-2009, 08:53 PM	#16
tbagg Endorsed Joined: Feb 2009 From: Sequim, WA I Ride: 07 Candy Red r6	subscribed.. would like to know more. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-22-2009, 09:04 PM	#17
lo9key Training Wheels Joined: Jan 2009 From: Medford, OR I Ride: 2003 Honda CBR 600RR	Same, if anyone comes across real world comparisons please let us know. I've done some web browsing but haven't come across anything trustworthy yet. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-22-2009, 11:15 PM	#18
Chameleon Buelligan Joined: Sep 2007 From: Tacoma, WA Blog Entries: 5 I Ride: 2008 Buell 1125R / LadyGladiator's 2007 H-D V-Rod VRSCAW	Retired traffic officer turned speed enforcement counter-measure advocate "Radar" Roy Reyer is a good source of info and products known to work well. http://www.radarbusters.com/radar-detector-info.cfm http://www.radarroysbuyersguide.com/ http://www.radarroysbuyersguide.com/netshops-sml2008/ http://www.radarroy.com/ http://www.radardetector.net/forums/ http://www.stealthstreetbike.com/ http://www.stealthhog.com/ __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Chameleon; 02-23-2009 at 02:54 PM..


02-23-2009, 08:47 AM	#19
GixxerPete Forum Synopsizer Joined: Jul 2006 From: Point Lookout I Ride: 08 KLR650, 06 DRZ400SM, 04 CRF250X, 03 XR50	Radar jammers are snake oil, they don't work. Laser jammers do work. Legality varies. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-23-2009, 12:24 PM	#20
Nicegy525 Zone Head Joined: Feb 2008 From: Portland, Oregon I Ride: '07 GSXR-750	radar jammers are illegal in all states due to FCC licensing requirements Laser jammers are legal except in the states listed above and can be effective if used properly. Having a radar/laser detector and/or jammer does not guarantee you the ability to go mach 10 down public roads. However, if youre traveling just above the ticket threshold and your detector goes off, odds are you can slow down and will escape a hefty fine. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-24-2009, 07:23 AM	#22
evander MotoGP Champion Joined: Sep 2006 From: N side Spokane I Ride: a Yamaha slayer real slow.	. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-24-2009, 07:42 AM	#23
dragracer1951 Retired Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 03 Are See fiddy one, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	Uh Radar detectors are NOT ilegal in Washington Jamming is illegal. [QUOTE=750Rider;1563329]The use of a radar detector in a passenger vehicle is legal in all states with the exception of Virginia, Washington DC. and on military bases. Radar detectors are illegal in all commercial vehicles weighing over 10,000 pounds QUOTE] __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


02-24-2009, 10:47 AM	#24
Devil_Doc Superbiker Joined: Sep 2008 From: Kirkland via Dallas I Ride: 04 CBR 1000rr	If I was to (hypothetically, of course) use one of these, it wouldn't be for "mach 10". More like a sustained 85ish if I was to do a long distance ride. Say, 1000 miles in under 24 hours... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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