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Old 10-13-2012, 08:03 AM   #61
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omg that is funny! i had to watch again thinking huh, what chick? there's nothing but traffic and more traffic but I see it now, right in the direction my head is turning, trust me I have no pride (thus the post) i'd cop to it if it was a nice skirt that bent my bike, every time I double take on one of those my first thought is "this will kill you knock it off" but it happens.

as for what to do, honestly too much situational awareness, I needed to put much higher priority on that car in front of me, it posed the greatest threat, I was trying to keep an eye on everything, big mistake, #2 way too damn close, that alone was the ultimate no no, #3 no rear brake, might have helped. as for panicking hard to say, oddly enough not an ounce of adrenaline in all of this, the distance i had there was just no time, brake as much as possible to lessen the damage, but yea, hard front brake like that just about pointless, just slammed the steering to the peg hard and threw me, the only action i took was to squeeze my right hand, the rest was the bike.

I got back on the horse after a day of rest and advil, drove in the city again, forced myself not to over compensate, foot on the rear brake (practiced using that) upped the following distance considerably and felt comfortable after 10 min or so.

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Old 10-13-2012, 09:22 AM   #62
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Situational awareness = peripheral vision, USE IT!

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Old 10-15-2012, 05:55 AM   #63
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Silly question...have you taken that bike through a training course? Even good riders can sharpen skills in a one day class. There's a couple of choices here in WA and Team Oregon has a class called the ART that's a hoot.

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Old 10-15-2012, 08:01 AM   #64
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I'd say something pompous and conceited about learning those lessons myself the hard way 30 years ago, but that would just curse me to into doing the same thing myself the next time I'm in stop and go traffic.

So, bad luck man. Glad you're OK. I'm sure that THAT scenario won't get you again. Remember the old addage: "There are only two kinds of riders. Those who have crashed, and those who are going to crash."

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Old 10-15-2012, 08:40 AM   #65
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well said!

yes, I know about the classes, its hard to get your own bike approved to take one, I have to come up with both the time and the money just to take one on one of their bikes and i'm at the height limit for those so I may have to try to get my bike certified to take it so I can get my full endorsement, wonder if they will comp me the class if i give them rights to my vid for training

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Old 10-15-2012, 10:12 PM   #66
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that is one SERIOUS camera mount! It gives the video a surreal 1980s feel...I have to ask why that mounting position? It kind of looks like a bobble head is in front of your camera from the bumps. I only ask because i have never seen anything like it haha

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Old 10-16-2012, 07:07 AM   #67
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I was under the impression that there are single day intermediate or advanced rider courses available where they let you use your own bike.
Not up on the latest word though. Things may have changed.
Some insurance companies will give discounts for completions.

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Old 10-16-2012, 07:42 AM   #68
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I was under the impression that there are single day intermediate or advanced rider courses available where they let you use your own bike.
Not up on the latest word though. Things may have changed.
Some insurance companies will give discounts for completions.
That is a big 10:4, Rubber Duck. About the only course that does not incorporate the rider's bike is the BRC.

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Old 10-16-2012, 12:15 PM   #69
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camera mount, best i could do with materials available? I wanted something further back, some vids are kinda boring if there isn't a rider in front of you it just looks like you could have hung your arm out of a car window so i wanted to get some kind of moto perspective in. this 80s macgyvery setup is actually ghetto go-pro wanna be 2.0, the first was strapping my droid to a turn signal if i can get a million people to watch this vid on you tube i can get proper protective gear AND a real go pro!

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Old 10-16-2012, 12:18 PM   #70
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yes, you can use your bike at the regular courses that give you your full endorsement but you have to have the bike checked out I think something like 6 weeks in advance or something, I will likely end up doing just that but one more thing to slow me down in getting to a class. I think i'd like to take one regularly, when I was a ski instructor we had to take new classes every year, always working on our skills, safety, new techniques etc... and since I am a computer geek by day 'never stop learning' kind of comes with the job

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Old 10-16-2012, 01:07 PM   #71
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I've never heard of the 6 week advance inspection requirement, and in fact have a hard time buying into that. From whence comes your rumor?

I have a call in right now to the owners of Pacific Northwest Motorcycle Safety to get some clarification, and when I get more information i will post it back to this thread.

I must commend your desire to participate in continuing education. You are a model for your peers to emulate.

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Old 10-16-2012, 02:41 PM   #72
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ah correction:
"Permission to use your own bike or scooter requires 3 weeks minimum notice in order for us to obtain approval from the DoL."

minimum though, so i cant just do a "hey I've got the money and they still have a slot open for tomorrow" plus the inspection, which now I think i'd fail thanks to the damage I incurred

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Old 10-16-2012, 03:31 PM   #73
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ah correction:
"Permission to use your own bike or scooter requires 3 weeks minimum notice in order for us to obtain approval from the DoL."

minimum though, so i cant just do a "hey I've got the money and they still have a slot open for tomorrow" plus the inspection, which now I think i'd fail thanks to the damage I incurred
Who put that information out to you, and in what context? I spoke within the last hour to the owner of Pacific Northwest Motorcycle Safety. He said all you have to do is register for the IRC (ERC going away due to a lack of demand) and show up and get the bike inspected (tires, controls, no leaks, lights, signals, etc.). If it flunks you probably should not be riding it in the first place.

If you don't want to dime out a contractor in open forum just PM me. I want to get a little deeper into the situation. Something does not smell quite right here.

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Old 10-17-2012, 09:14 AM   #74
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same outfit, its on their FAQ page:
http://pnwmotorcyclesafety.com/faq/

everything works on my bike, well the blinker has been acting up but I will get that solid, if I can just show up the day of that really works for me, I guess I could do that and let the instructor decide if they felt like i'd be better off on mine or theirs, i'm 6'4" + (when I haven't done a pile driver into seattle concrete) and over 300 so its iffy on their bikes according to the site as well.

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Old 10-17-2012, 06:29 PM   #75
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Just my two sense as i seen ya doing in your other video,you spend way too much time looking into your mirrors and therefore when you looked up it was inevitable. a quick turn of the head and you would have been better prepped. sorry for the fall and im glad your ok.

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Old 10-17-2012, 07:04 PM   #76
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same outfit, its on their FAQ page:
http://pnwmotorcyclesafety.com/faq/

everything works on my bike, well the blinker has been acting up but I will get that solid, if I can just show up the day of that really works for me, I guess I could do that and let the instructor decide if they felt like i'd be better off on mine or theirs, i'm 6'4" + (when I haven't done a pile driver into seattle concrete) and over 300 so its iffy on their bikes according to the site as well.
Not to huck too many rocks at you while you mend, but if you are already endorsed why are you looking at the BRC? That is the only class where it is problematic using your own bike. In any other course it is actually advised to ride your own machine.

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Old 10-18-2012, 09:05 AM   #77
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I only have the learners permit, i still need the full endorsement. moto1 been doing exactly that since, very quick check but eyes front

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Old 12-08-2012, 10:36 AM   #78
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It was all in the timing, as most of these types of events are. The cager hit his/hers brakes hard right when you looked to the left. You were better off dropping the bike. It avoided additional cost for damage to the car. Also, front end motorcycle damage can be very expensive. The take away is to remember that peripheral vision does not do well with brake lights. Thanks for posting. It's a good reminder for all.

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Old 12-08-2012, 11:55 AM   #79
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The take away is to remember that peripheral vision does not do well with brake lights. Thanks for posting. It's a good reminder for all.
Are you smoking crack?

Peripheral vision is a great information gathering tool. That's exactly what it is, a tool. A tool has to be sharpened, used, and practiced in order for it to be effective. And yes, it is very effective with brake lights. To dismiss peripheral vision as you have done is a serious mistake on your part as a motorcycle rider.

In fact, peripheral vision is so much more important than hearing.

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Old 12-08-2012, 12:17 PM   #80
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That is a big 10:4, Rubber Duck. About the only course that does not incorporate the rider's bike is the BRC.
BRC requires it, some of the other curricula, IRT and dirt coarses, offer you the choice to use either yours or the providers. For the IRT, several of us have the BMW 650GS students can use instead of their own, no charge. It's a fun bike, doesn't matter what you normally ride.

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