Lightweight Battery group buy

Porsche Barry · 05-17-2012, 08:52 PM

Ok, here's the deal. I'm becoming a dealer for some pretty sweet lithium batteries and I need to place my initial order. I need to buy at least 10, of any combination. The mark up is really a joke for what the dealer cost is vs retail, so it's not much of a break, but hey everything helps, right?

The AM8 model will fire a 1000cc Ducati easily, and weighs 820 grams. Not only that, its dimensions are about 4"x4.5"x2.36", that's very small.

They are on sale currently, and I can't beat the price by much, but I can get you the AM8 model for $82, and that is with shipping to me. Compare that to a Shorai battery at something like $189, and this is an exceptional deal. Being that we're all local to each other, pick up should be a piece of cake. I will also see if I can get them drop shipped to you, but no guarantees.

The brand is Alien Motion and they are Aprilia guys that are serious about bikes, so they aren't some pieces of crap made in China. Besides, I wouldn't buy them for myself if they were. Homie don't play that (for you In Living Color fans).

So:
AM4 - $54
AM8 - $82
AM12 - $115

Charger - $31

I can take paypal or cash/check in person.

Who's in?

Porsche Barry - 2

SivartR1 · 05-18-2012, 06:34 AM

Looking at their site, looks like they just make bike batteries...any chance they have one that would be enough to start a 13b rotary? Planning to go with a 17# braille, but if I could get a ~5# LiOn, I'll take the weight savings...

nsrg500 · 05-18-2012, 07:01 AM

Charger?
They need to be charged on a stand along charger?
Clue me in please.

fantom · 05-18-2012, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by nsrg500

Charger?
They need to be charged on a stand along charger?
Clue me in please.

Yes, I'd be interested in knowing this too. From what I understand, they require a cccv charge profile similar to a lead acid battery.

RedKat600 · 05-18-2012, 07:44 AM

Lithium Ferrous batteries require a special charger to be sure you don't overcharge them.

Do I Need A Special Charger For My Alien Motion Battery?

Just as you can not use any charger with any lead acid battery, you also need to be aware of what you are putting into your Alien Motion battery as well. To achieve a full charge, our AM4 battery will need to be charged at 14.4V DC at a maximum of 10 amps, the AM8 and AM12 will be happy with the same voltage, but can utilize as much as 20 amps for a quicker charge time. The advantage to you is extremely fast charge times compared to lead acid. Our products will fully recharge in as little as 15 minutes as opposed to the hours that lead acid requires. When you combine this with extremely low self discharge rates, charging should not be a frequent proposition for Alien Motion batteries.

Most lead acid chargers will charge at a lower voltage and current than recommended for Alien Motion products. In the majority of the cases, you will get an adequate charge for cranking, but the battery will not reach 100% capacity as it will with the Alien Motion charger. Most vehicle charging systems output DC voltage in a range from 13.4-14.4V, which makes for a healthy battery. A trickle charger is not recommended.

If the voltage (14.4V DC) or current (10/20A) limits should be exceeded, the Alien Motion battery will be damaged.

http://alienmotion.com/html/faq.html

Rudeboy · 05-18-2012, 03:44 PM

Wellllll, a standard charger will charge (think about it... your generator/alternator is charging it too). What the speciality chargers do is re-balance individual cells in the pack to keep things optimum. I have a Ballistic and they say a balance charge once a year is about all you need to do, otherwise a normal charger is fine. They do have some time limits however so you don't just leave a trickle charger on for the winter.

BTW, because the batteries are so much smaller than standard, you may have to run new wiring and fab something to hold the battery in place.

Porsche Barry · 05-18-2012, 05:18 PM

Charging
Direct from them: "No, we recommend using our chargers, but they can be charged using most 14.4V charging systems with no more than 10 amps on the AM4 and no more than 20 amps on the AM8 & AM12 models. Do not use a trickle charger."

Seems like its not a big deal.

Sivart: I don't know about starting up the rotary, but if one AM12 wouldn't do it, you could run 2 of them and still save weight and be cheaper too.

For mounting, they can all fit in your standard battery location if you just fill the empty space with foam core, or strap it in well.

R6_Infantry · 05-18-2012, 09:06 PM

not trying taking anything away from the post, but these are the same type that have been used in the RC car & plane market for some time, their charger does nothing special meaning it's not a Proprietary system designed just for their battery, these type of batteries are the way to go, regardless of Mfr.

Porsche Barry · 05-18-2012, 10:19 PM

Yep, you're totally right! These batteries are great, and their charger is just a good price for one that works is really it.

Porsche Barry · 05-20-2012, 12:12 PM

Update on the batteries:
They say they have mounting pods that come with them, to make them fit easier in the stock location.

NEED 3 MORE BUYERS for the initial order and then I'll be doing an order of 5 or more after that, same deal.

Porsche Barry · 05-21-2012, 08:03 PM

Need 1 more buyer before I place the order


05-17-2012, 08:52 PM	#1
Porsche Barry Licensed Joined: Jul 2009 From: 425 I Ride: Italians	Lightweight Battery group buy Ok, here's the deal. I'm becoming a dealer for some pretty sweet lithium batteries and I need to place my initial order. I need to buy at least 10, of any combination. The mark up is really a joke for what the dealer cost is vs retail, so it's not much of a break, but hey everything helps, right? The AM8 model will fire a 1000cc Ducati easily, and weighs 820 grams. Not only that, its dimensions are about 4"x4.5"x2.36", that's very small. They are on sale currently, and I can't beat the price by much, but I can get you the AM8 model for $82, and that is with shipping to me. Compare that to a Shorai battery at something like $189, and this is an exceptional deal. Being that we're all local to each other, pick up should be a piece of cake. I will also see if I can get them drop shipped to you, but no guarantees. The brand is Alien Motion and they are Aprilia guys that are serious about bikes, so they aren't some pieces of crap made in China. Besides, I wouldn't buy them for myself if they were. Homie don't play that (for you In Living Color fans). So: AM4 - $54 AM8 - $82 AM12 - $115 Charger - $31 I can take paypal or cash/check in person. Who's in? Porsche Barry - 2 __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Porsche Barry; 05-17-2012 at 08:55 PM..


05-18-2012, 06:34 AM	#2
SivartR1 Permit Joined: Aug 2011 From: Renton WA I Ride: 2011 ZX-6r	Looking at their site, looks like they just make bike batteries...any chance they have one that would be enough to start a 13b rotary? Planning to go with a 17# braille, but if I could get a ~5# LiOn, I'll take the weight savings... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-18-2012, 07:01 AM	#3
nsrg500 Shredder Joined: May 2011 From: Everett. WA I Ride: GS1150 Rat bike, NSR(G)500cc two stroke,CBR 900rr	Charger? They need to be charged on a stand along charger? Clue me in please. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-18-2012, 03:44 PM	#6
Rudeboy Training Wheels Joined: Feb 2009 From: Bellevue, WA I Ride: '99 CBR 600 F4	Wellllll, a standard charger will charge (think about it... your generator/alternator is charging it too). What the speciality chargers do is re-balance individual cells in the pack to keep things optimum. I have a Ballistic and they say a balance charge once a year is about all you need to do, otherwise a normal charger is fine. They do have some time limits however so you don't just leave a trickle charger on for the winter. BTW, because the batteries are so much smaller than standard, you may have to run new wiring and fab something to hold the battery in place. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-18-2012, 05:18 PM	#7
Porsche Barry Licensed Joined: Jul 2009 From: 425 I Ride: Italians	Charging Direct from them: "No, we recommend using our chargers, but they can be charged using most 14.4V charging systems with no more than 10 amps on the AM4 and no more than 20 amps on the AM8 & AM12 models. Do not use a trickle charger." Seems like its not a big deal. Sivart: I don't know about starting up the rotary, but if one AM12 wouldn't do it, you could run 2 of them and still save weight and be cheaper too. For mounting, they can all fit in your standard battery location if you just fill the empty space with foam core, or strap it in well. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-18-2012, 09:06 PM	#8
R6_Infantry Endorsed Joined: Jun 2008 From: Beaverton I Ride: 2003 Yamaha R6 LE	not trying taking anything away from the post, but these are the same type that have been used in the RC car & plane market for some time, their charger does nothing special meaning it's not a Proprietary system designed just for their battery, these type of batteries are the way to go, regardless of Mfr. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-18-2012, 10:19 PM	#9
Porsche Barry Licensed Joined: Jul 2009 From: 425 I Ride: Italians	Yep, you're totally right! These batteries are great, and their charger is just a good price for one that works is really it. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-20-2012, 12:12 PM	#10
Porsche Barry Licensed Joined: Jul 2009 From: 425 I Ride: Italians	Update on the batteries: They say they have mounting pods that come with them, to make them fit easier in the stock location. NEED 3 MORE BUYERS for the initial order and then I'll be doing an order of 5 or more after that, same deal. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-21-2012, 08:03 PM	#11
Porsche Barry Licensed Joined: Jul 2009 From: 425 I Ride: Italians	Need 1 more buyer before I place the order __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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