Thinking about turboing my hayabusa... - Page 2

bubba_zenetti · 05-18-2011, 09:56 PM

Back to our regular programming.............
@DrM
Sounds like you have the killer machine. You mentioned Boost By Smith, I had one of his first prototypes for a 6 stage boost controller on mine. It was the same one Dave Owens had for a bit that he set many 250+ MPH passes at Maxton.

Velocitys Kit was quite the shit back in the day before it changed hands. It is still easily expanded upon. All you need is a set of secondaries and a few turns on that waste gate

You know you want to

bubba_zenetti · 05-18-2011, 10:05 PM

On side note, while not on the subject of the busa but on the subeject at boost, I just have to show off my newest boosted creation. My supercharged Jeep JK. I went from having a sad 120WHP to 247WHP on just 8PSI

Smaller pulley in a week with intercooler and I need to pull a little fatness out of the map and I should be on my way to 275ish at the wheels. Through 35 inch tires at that

And yet, technically it is a motorcycle, it spends a lot of time with no top, doors and 3 wheels or less in contact with the ground

Its nice to know that I now make as much WHP as most turbo Hayabusas.

XtremeMotorworks · 05-19-2011, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by bubba_zenetti

On side note, while not on the subject of the busa but on the subeject at boost, I just have to show off my newest boosted creation. My supercharged Jeep JK. I went from having a sad 120WHP to 247WHP on just 8PSI

Smaller pulley in a week with intercooler and I need to pull a little fatness out of the map and I should be on my way to 275ish at the wheels. Through 35 inch tires at that

And yet, technically it is a motorcycle, it spends a lot of time with no top, doors and 3 wheels or less in contact with the ground

Its nice to know that I now make as much WHP as most turbo Hayabusas.

Glad Im not the only wasting my kids college fund on stuff that doesn't need to have a turbo

Now you got me thinking about my Geo Tracker sitting ouside........

Fast Eddie 919 · 05-19-2011, 09:04 AM

I was thinking about doin this to my ZX11 (this was a few years back). I got to thinking about the fact that the bike was not a parts eater or high maintainance and on it's own merits was one of the best bikes I have EVAR owned. Once turbo'd that would all change, I would have wanted to change the suspension and at the end of the day, I would have ended up with a bike I really didn't want, with a pretty high price tag attached to it. For why? So I could blow liter bikes and the occasional Busa off the road? Higher stakes than I'm willing play with, I have no business riding at that level on the street or anywhere else.

Heavy-T · 05-19-2011, 09:38 AM

How much does it typically cost to turbo a car? Installation and all.

bubba_zenetti · 05-19-2011, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by XtremeMotorworks

Glad Im not the only wasting my kids college fund on stuff that doesn't need to have a turbo

Now you got me thinking about my Geo Tracker sitting ouside........

Rape a VF30 and a TMIC off a WRX and slap that on it. We did that to a chevy sprint a while back. Talk about a sleeper

XtremeMotorworks · 05-20-2011, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Heavy-T

How much does it typically cost to turbo a car? Installation and all.

Well you could go ebay turbo and a shady shop and have a turbo set u for 2k. I would say a good shop installing a well put together set up would be around 4ish? New fuel injected car with low boost is pretty cheap. Its when you start adding bigger injection systems,fuel pumps, stand alone computers, etc it adds up real quick!

Heavy-T · 05-20-2011, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by XtremeMotorworks

Well you could go ebay turbo and a shady shop and have a turbo set u for 2k. I would say a good shop installing a well put together set up would be around 4ish? New fuel injected car with low boost is pretty cheap. Its when you start adding bigger injection systems,fuel pumps, stand alone computers, etc it adds up real quick!

So 4g out the door and that takes care of everything, or 4g just for the turbo and instalation?

nakedinseattle · 05-20-2011, 09:47 AM

@heavyT-you can build rock solid turbo setups for $1500 on cars. if you dont know how to do it yourself then you shouldn't be doing it without getting help from someone who does. once something breaks you're up shit creek since you probably wont know how to diagnose/fix it (if you let a shop do it). it only takes a weekend to do with the right tools and is worth it to learn how to do it

Originally Posted by XtremeMotorworks

Its when you start adding bigger injection systems,fuel pumps, stand alone computers, etc it adds up real quick!

hate to break it to you but thats all be standard and relatively cheap.

on a bike, yes you are correct, on cars, not so much.

XtremeMotorworks · 05-20-2011, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by nakedinseattle

@heavyT-you can build rock solid turbo setups for $1500 on cars. if you dont know how to do it yourself then you shouldn't be doing it without getting help from someone who does. once something breaks you're up shit creek since you probably wont know how to diagnose/fix it (if you let a shop do it). it only takes a weekend to do with the right tools and is worth it to learn how to do it

hate to break it to you but thats all be standard and relatively cheap.

on a bike, yes you are correct, on cars, not so much.

Like I said, depends on quality and HP desired. Get a garrett ball bearing turbo, tial housing/ external waste gate, tial blow off valve, fast stand alone, bigger injectors , intercooler, areomotive fuel pump , boost controller etc. Thats assuming you start with a efi car, starting with a carbed car is going to cost a whole lot more. Then if you push big Hp you need to get into bigger rods, pistons, heads etc. I have a 77 Firebird with 5.3 single turbo project. Junk yard parts and doing it yourself, sure 1500 could get you going. Im saying if you went to a good shop and installed a new parts that are capable of long term , adjustable big Hp its going to cost a lot.

nakedinseattle · 05-20-2011, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by XtremeMotorworks

Like I said, depends on quality and HP desired. Get a garrett ball bearing turbo, tial housing/ external waste gate, tial blow off valve, fast stand alone, bigger injectors , intercooler, areomotive fuel pump , boost controller etc. Thats assuming you start with a efi car, starting with a carbed car is going to cost a whole lot more. Then if you push big Hp you need to get into bigger rods, pistons, heads etc. I have a 77 Firebird with 5.3 single turbo project.

yeah, basically correct.

Junk yard parts and doing it yourself, sure 1500 could get you going. Im saying if you went to a good shop and installed a new parts that are capable of long term , adjustable big Hp its going to cost a lot.

thats where we disagree, depends on the car i guess.

side note - that firebird must be awesome! pics? or will it be at the grand opening shop thingy in june?

XtremeMotorworks · 05-20-2011, 12:51 PM

Not much to look at right now. Doing a 5.3 with rods/pistons. Still trying to figure turbo size but it will be a single Garret/tial set up. fast stand alone. Linked in the back, some cheap BMW 19's a course Im going to complete the white trash machine with a bird on the hood

Going for around 800hp.

bubba_zenetti · 05-20-2011, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by XtremeMotorworks

Not much to look at right now. Doing a 5.3 with rods/pistons. Still trying to figure turbo size but it will be a single Garret/tial set up. fast stand alone. Linked in the back, some cheap BMW 19's a course Im going to complete the white trash machine with a bird on the hood

Going for around 800hp.

Whiskey Tango all the way. That thing is going to be sick.

As long as you are going with the bird, you may as well rock a mullet too. Hell I would if I still had my old Camero from high school. But its too late for me. I no longer have hair

bubba_zenetti · 05-20-2011, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Heavy-T

So 4g out the door and that takes care of everything, or 4g just for the turbo and instalation?

Lesson one. There is no such thing as cheap boost. Sooner or later you are going to pay for it. Its best to just pay up front instead of paying a lot over time.

Would you rather pay $7000 now for a bullet proof setup or pay $7000 over time for replacement parts that you broke and upgrades to have a system that is mediocre?

Dr. M · 05-22-2011, 07:35 PM

Hmmmmm, I thought the question was about turbocharging a MOTORCYCLE...

Here are some shots of my 2008 Suzuki Hayabusa. I did the installation myself in my home shop. I purchased a Velocity Racing Stage One turbo kit that also has a TIAL waste gate and boost controller, and water injection. Stock boost is 6 psi, the horn button activates the boost control which is now set to yield 8 psi. Water mist comes on at 5 psi. The bike is equipped with Brocks "drag race essential" kit (strapped front end, lowering link in the rear, ultra light clutch mod, clutch cushion, slave cylinder support), I added their upper triple clamp, and pulled off the oil pan and added their pan baffle. Gauges are for boost level and fuel pressure. I used Pazzo levers, and a Puig windscreen. Wheels are Marchesini forged magnesium with a SuperSprox rear sprocket (stock ratio), swingarm is a 0-6" stretch by Spencer Cycle (who also modded the rear brake bracket), and the chain is EK 530 ZZZ. There are many more mods I'd like to do, hardened shift shafts, lower the compression ratio, black out the remaining silver parts, and probably a few more.

Here are some pictures (click on them to go to my SmugMug page for larger images):

The kit uses a Garret 2860 turbo, and a BEGI FMU

The water tank and pump are tucked in the trunk along with the boost controller valve and PC3. Still room for a baseball cap! The Frankenstein bolt replacement I make myself on my lathe.

Boost gauge mounts up very nice with the VR kit, the fuel pressure gauge mount I made myself. In fact, I made many brackets for this kit.

Gotta show off the great work Spencer Cycle did on the swingarm. They were great to work with. Clear out in North Carolina, but it was worth shipping it to them. The gold Marchesini wheels are very well made. I still need to black out the remainder of my silver parts.

And here is the final product as it stands today.

Not too bad for a home mechanic and my first turbo.

Another view:

Someday I will do an entire thread somewhere on the build. These things aren't simple nor are they easy to install for the novice (like me). But, it sure is fun to ride. Sadly, here in eastern Idaho, very few people "get it." If it were a Harley...

Now if somebody wants it bad enough, it only has 1600 miles on the odometer. $15,000 and it's your!

Best-
Steve

Wes206 · 05-22-2011, 08:13 PM

Dr. M that bike is pretty clean looking, nice job.

On another note I havent checked this thread in a few days looks like it has taken some serious turns haha. I like how there is moral input on whether a turbo is a good thing or bad thing lol. Thanks for all the input and cool photos and projects posted up guys!

Turbojonn · 09-24-2012, 12:48 PM

Did you ever turbo your bike? Hey Bubba, nice bike.

wireman · 11-09-2012, 08:53 PM

mjn · 11-09-2012, 09:32 PM

Nice old thread bump!

We all ride for different reasons... Me? I live for the twisties. I went up three teeth in the back sprocket, and I'm good.

A turbo would completely ruin my bike for the type of riding I love.


05-18-2011, 09:56 PM	#21
bubba_zenetti Superbiker Joined: Dec 2005 From: Marysville I Ride: A lifted JK 0\|\|\|\|\|\|\|0	Back to our regular programming............. @DrM Sounds like you have the killer machine. You mentioned Boost By Smith, I had one of his first prototypes for a 6 stage boost controller on mine. It was the same one Dave Owens had for a bit that he set many 250+ MPH passes at Maxton. Velocitys Kit was quite the shit back in the day before it changed hands. It is still easily expanded upon. All you need is a set of secondaries and a few turns on that waste gate You know you want to __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-18-2011, 10:05 PM	#22
bubba_zenetti Superbiker Joined: Dec 2005 From: Marysville I Ride: A lifted JK 0\|\|\|\|\|\|\|0	On side note, while not on the subject of the busa but on the subeject at boost, I just have to show off my newest boosted creation. My supercharged Jeep JK. I went from having a sad 120WHP to 247WHP on just 8PSI Smaller pulley in a week with intercooler and I need to pull a little fatness out of the map and I should be on my way to 275ish at the wheels. Through 35 inch tires at that And yet, technically it is a motorcycle, it spends a lot of time with no top, doors and 3 wheels or less in contact with the ground Its nice to know that I now make as much WHP as most turbo Hayabusas. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-19-2011, 09:04 AM	#24
Fast Eddie 919 Superbiker Joined: Jan 2009 From: Canada Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: GXSR 600	I was thinking about doin this to my ZX11 (this was a few years back). I got to thinking about the fact that the bike was not a parts eater or high maintainance and on it's own merits was one of the best bikes I have EVAR owned. Once turbo'd that would all change, I would have wanted to change the suspension and at the end of the day, I would have ended up with a bike I really didn't want, with a pretty high price tag attached to it. For why? So I could blow liter bikes and the occasional Busa off the road? Higher stakes than I'm willing play with, I have no business riding at that level on the street or anywhere else. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-19-2011, 09:38 AM	#25
Heavy-T Shredder Joined: Apr 2006 From: Richland, Washington I Ride: Whatever strikes my fancy for the day...	How much does it typically cost to turbo a car? Installation and all. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-20-2011, 12:51 PM	#32
XtremeMotorworks Endorsed Joined: Sep 2010 From: Preston,Wa	Not much to look at right now. Doing a 5.3 with rods/pistons. Still trying to figure turbo size but it will be a single Garret/tial set up. fast stand alone. Linked in the back, some cheap BMW 19's a course Im going to complete the white trash machine with a bird on the hood Going for around 800hp. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-22-2011, 07:35 PM	#35
Dr. M Newbie Joined: Jul 2007 From: Idaho Falls, Idaho	Hmmmmm, I thought the question was about turbocharging a MOTORCYCLE... Here are some shots of my 2008 Suzuki Hayabusa. I did the installation myself in my home shop. I purchased a Velocity Racing Stage One turbo kit that also has a TIAL waste gate and boost controller, and water injection. Stock boost is 6 psi, the horn button activates the boost control which is now set to yield 8 psi. Water mist comes on at 5 psi. The bike is equipped with Brocks "drag race essential" kit (strapped front end, lowering link in the rear, ultra light clutch mod, clutch cushion, slave cylinder support), I added their upper triple clamp, and pulled off the oil pan and added their pan baffle. Gauges are for boost level and fuel pressure. I used Pazzo levers, and a Puig windscreen. Wheels are Marchesini forged magnesium with a SuperSprox rear sprocket (stock ratio), swingarm is a 0-6" stretch by Spencer Cycle (who also modded the rear brake bracket), and the chain is EK 530 ZZZ. There are many more mods I'd like to do, hardened shift shafts, lower the compression ratio, black out the remaining silver parts, and probably a few more. Here are some pictures (click on them to go to my SmugMug page for larger images): The kit uses a Garret 2860 turbo, and a BEGI FMU The water tank and pump are tucked in the trunk along with the boost controller valve and PC3. Still room for a baseball cap! The Frankenstein bolt replacement I make myself on my lathe. Boost gauge mounts up very nice with the VR kit, the fuel pressure gauge mount I made myself. In fact, I made many brackets for this kit. Gotta show off the great work Spencer Cycle did on the swingarm. They were great to work with. Clear out in North Carolina, but it was worth shipping it to them. The gold Marchesini wheels are very well made. I still need to black out the remainder of my silver parts. And here is the final product as it stands today. Not too bad for a home mechanic and my first turbo. Another view: Someday I will do an entire thread somewhere on the build. These things aren't simple nor are they easy to install for the novice (like me). But, it sure is fun to ride. Sadly, here in eastern Idaho, very few people "get it." If it were a Harley... Now if somebody wants it bad enough, it only has 1600 miles on the odometer. $15,000 and it's your! Best- Steve __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Dr. M; 05-22-2011 at 07:55 PM..


05-22-2011, 08:13 PM	#36
Wes206 Pit Crew Joined: Oct 2010 From: WA I Ride: 86 Yamaha FJ600, 93 CBR900RR, 92 GSXR750, 01 Hayabusa	Dr. M that bike is pretty clean looking, nice job. On another note I havent checked this thread in a few days looks like it has taken some serious turns haha. I like how there is moral input on whether a turbo is a good thing or bad thing lol. Thanks for all the input and cool photos and projects posted up guys! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-24-2012, 12:48 PM	#37
Turbojonn Newbie Joined: Oct 2010 From: Kirkland, WA I Ride: 2008 Hayabusa with hairdryer	Did you ever turbo your bike? Hey Bubba, nice bike. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-09-2012, 08:53 PM	#38
wireman Newbie Joined: Nov 2012 From: louisville ne I Ride: 900-1000 kaws	__________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-09-2012, 09:32 PM	#39
mjn Joined: Jul 2005 From: Tri-Cities Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: '05 Busa, '03 KLR 650, '81 Seca 550, '78 Hawk, '71 SL 350, '69 Z50A	Nice old thread bump! We all ride for different reasons... Me? I live for the twisties. I went up three teeth in the back sprocket, and I'm good. A turbo would completely ruin my bike for the type of riding I love. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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