ninja 650r track bike convertion, please help.. - Page 2

erik · 09-19-2012, 01:34 PM

If i was thinking about lowering the rear end but would loose clearance and drag my pegs all over and i dont wanna spend the money on rearsets for this bike

ELI the ICE man · 09-19-2012, 02:27 PM

LOL!!!!
I changed mine by 5mm and it made a significant (noticeable) difference in the handling and mid corner behavior.... what you did was just wrong... and like you are noticing, dangerous.

I almost don't believe this, because it is just so wrong.... did you also put a car tire on it for improved contact patch area down the main straight?

racinjason44 · 09-20-2012, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by erik

If i was thinking about lowering the rear end but would loose clearance and drag my pegs all over and i dont wanna spend the money on rearsets for this bike

Do not lower the rear of that bike. It will do all kinds of bad things to the way it works.

erik · 09-20-2012, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by ELI the ICE man

LOL!!!!
I changed mine by 5mm and it made a significant (noticeable) difference in the handling and mid corner behavior.... what you did was just wrong... and like you are noticing, dangerous.

I almost don't believe this, because it is just so wrong.... did you also put a car tire on it for improved contact patch area down the main straight?

Well actually i just ordered one...
Jk but seriously is there any way to have these clipons on this bike without it being dangerouse or replacing the fairings

racinjason44 · 09-20-2012, 10:58 AM

You might be able to find some clipons that mount under the triple but have a rise built into them to get the bar above the bodywork.

gannonjf · 09-20-2012, 11:50 AM

This threat is blowing my mind. The fact that you don't even remotely understand bike geometry tells me you certainly should not be racing, let alone track days. Go sit down with any of the local suspension gurus and get your shit straight before you hurt yourself or someone else. Or, better still sell your bike for the winter and learn a bit about bikes in general and buy a new one come summer.

racinjason44 · 09-20-2012, 12:15 PM

That seems a bit harsh...

gannonjf · 09-20-2012, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by racinjason44

That seems a bit harsh...

Nah, he's clearly not listening to anyone that gave him sound advice either.

cobra525 · 09-20-2012, 02:19 PM

Holy shit!

dragracer1951 · 09-20-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by cobra525

Holy shit!

No kidding
Yet another shining example of someone getting on here that has no clue what the fuck they are doing and refusing to listen to those that do.
Amazing
I hope you don't fuck yourself up too bad in the crash that is sure to follow

erik · 09-20-2012, 03:46 PM

Sorry this is just overwhelming, im gonna get a shop to help

RedKat600 · 09-20-2012, 04:11 PM

GO talk to the guys at KFG suspension. They can give you some good advice.

coastiepete · 09-20-2012, 04:34 PM

Dude. Just leave the bike stock, and do some track days. You may actually feel more comfortable riding the bike the way it was intended to be ridden. Those bikes were BUILT to be more comfy than a supersport.

If you really feel the need to spend more money on it, than look into getting the stock suspension worked for you by a shop. DO NOT screw with the bike if you are not sure what things will do.

Honestly, leave the damn thing stock, and you daily rider. do some track days, and see if it's something you REALLY want to do. if it is, start saving some money, and buy a cheap track bike.

I would hate to see you get hurt due to lack of experience man. Be careful please.

coastiepete · 09-20-2012, 04:35 PM

I mean really, it's a 650R. NOT a ZX-6R. It doesn't matter if you run ape hangers, clip-ons, stock bars, or a pair of dildos for handlebars.......................You need to feel good on the bike, riding something you KNOW, doing something NEW.

erik · 09-20-2012, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by coastiepete

Dude. Just leave the bike stock, and do some track days. You may actually feel more comfortable riding the bike the way it was intended to be ridden. Those bikes were BUILT to be more comfy than a supersport.

If you really feel the need to spend more money on it, than look into getting the stock suspension worked for you by a shop. DO NOT screw with the bike if you are not sure what things will do.

Honestly, leave the damn thing stock, and you daily rider. do some track days, and see if it's something you REALLY want to do. if it is, start saving some money, and buy a cheap track bike.

I would hate to see you get hurt due to lack of experience man. Be careful please.

Thanks you, im gonna do that^^^, put the drag bars back on and have whatever i did with the emulator's looked over by kfg suspension,
Thanks for the advice guys

coastiepete · 09-20-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by erik

Thanks you, im gonna do that^^^, put the drag bars back on and have whatever i did with the emulator's looked over by kfg suspension,
Thanks for the advice guys

Good for you man. be safe and have fun.

By the way, there was a write up in Motorcyclist (i think) magazine this month. 650R vs FZ6R. They said the suspension on the ninja was WAAAAAY too soft. the forks were bottoming out under hard braking, and making the tire skid over bumps. You might see if they can drop some better springs in there for you too, appropriate to your weight.

courier11sec · 09-20-2012, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by erik

So i dropped the triangke down the forks about 30mm so i could fit vortex clip ons on the bike right above the triangle tree, i put im emulators and the forks are a little stiffer but the bike has much less rake and trail now so when im going 60+ it feels terifyingly unstable compared to how it was stock. What can i do to make it more stable other than a home made mounted steering damper? Im scrared of highsiding and dieing like iv herd in so many storys

Originally Posted by erik

i was thinking of that, my only concern is my front brake fluid box not having room being under the tripple tree. ill see if it fits though

Originally Posted by erik

id like to race but i dont think i can afford it yet. im going to do more track days and try tog et a job at bowing to support the costs

I like all of these things that you call stuff.
You get a dot the color of the highlighted words. Also for paying attention, acknowledging and accepting advice and being willing to admit that you're best off getting a professional to sort it out and advise you.
You don't need to be able to build a bike to have fun at track days with it even if it does help.
You win the internet for the rest of the day.
Do with it whatever you wish.

Gotama · 09-20-2012, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by gannonjf

This threat is blowing my mind. The fact that you don't even remotely understand bike geometry tells me you certainly should not be racing, let alone track days. Go sit down with any of the local suspension gurus and get your shit straight before you hurt yourself or someone else. Or, better still sell your bike for the winter and learn a bit about bikes in general and buy a new one come summer.

how long did it take you to type this out , Good job little buddy look at you go , considering you could only use three fingers

Davidian · 09-21-2012, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by coastiepete

Dude. Just leave the bike stock, and do some track days. You may actually feel more comfortable riding the bike the way it was intended to be ridden. Those bikes were BUILT to be more comfy than a supersport.

If you really feel the need to spend more money on it, than look into getting the stock suspension worked for you by a shop. DO NOT screw with the bike if you are not sure what things will do.

Honestly, leave the damn thing stock, and you daily rider. do some track days, and see if it's something you REALLY want to do. if it is, start saving some money, and buy a cheap track bike.

I would hate to see you get hurt due to lack of experience man. Be careful please.

I own the same bike and this is EXACTLY what I plan to do. Only thing I will do to the suspension is get better fork springs sprung to my weight and that's about it.

gannonjf · 09-21-2012, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Gotama

how long did it take you to type this out , Good job little buddy look at you go , considering you could only use three fingers

I'm up to 8 now, mostly. Blow me.


09-19-2012, 01:34 PM	#21
erik Permit Joined: Jul 2012 From: snohomish wa I Ride: ninja 650r 2007	If i was thinking about lowering the rear end but would loose clearance and drag my pegs all over and i dont wanna spend the money on rearsets for this bike __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-19-2012, 02:27 PM	#22
ELI the ICE man Endorsed Joined: Mar 2011 From: Oregon City, Oregon I Ride: 2007 Z1000	LOL!!!! I changed mine by 5mm and it made a significant (noticeable) difference in the handling and mid corner behavior.... what you did was just wrong... and like you are noticing, dangerous. I almost don't believe this, because it is just so wrong.... did you also put a car tire on it for improved contact patch area down the main straight? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-20-2012, 10:58 AM	#25
racinjason44 Endorsed Joined: Oct 2010 From: North Bend, Oregon	You might be able to find some clipons that mount under the triple but have a rise built into them to get the bar above the bodywork. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-20-2012, 11:50 AM	#26
gannonjf Peg Dragger Joined: Apr 2011 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: for OPRT	This threat is blowing my mind. The fact that you don't even remotely understand bike geometry tells me you certainly should not be racing, let alone track days. Go sit down with any of the local suspension gurus and get your shit straight before you hurt yourself or someone else. Or, better still sell your bike for the winter and learn a bit about bikes in general and buy a new one come summer. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-20-2012, 12:15 PM	#27
racinjason44 Endorsed Joined: Oct 2010 From: North Bend, Oregon	That seems a bit harsh... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-20-2012, 02:19 PM	#29
cobra525 Novice Racer Joined: Mar 2006 From: Marysville, Wa I Ride: my race bike, poorly.	Holy shit! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-20-2012, 03:46 PM	#31
erik Permit Joined: Jul 2012 From: snohomish wa I Ride: ninja 650r 2007	Sorry this is just overwhelming, im gonna get a shop to help __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-20-2012, 04:11 PM	#32
RedKat600 Joined: May 2011 From: LaCenter, WA I Ride: 2003 Copper SV1K	GO talk to the guys at KFG suspension. They can give you some good advice. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-20-2012, 04:34 PM	#33
coastiepete Novice Racer Joined: Apr 2007 From: Youngstown NY I Ride: Speed Triple, GS750, KX 500, 450 EXC-R, KH400, MXZ 700 Renegade	Dude. Just leave the bike stock, and do some track days. You may actually feel more comfortable riding the bike the way it was intended to be ridden. Those bikes were BUILT to be more comfy than a supersport. If you really feel the need to spend more money on it, than look into getting the stock suspension worked for you by a shop. DO NOT screw with the bike if you are not sure what things will do. Honestly, leave the damn thing stock, and you daily rider. do some track days, and see if it's something you REALLY want to do. if it is, start saving some money, and buy a cheap track bike. I would hate to see you get hurt due to lack of experience man. Be careful please. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-20-2012, 04:35 PM	#34
coastiepete Novice Racer Joined: Apr 2007 From: Youngstown NY I Ride: Speed Triple, GS750, KX 500, 450 EXC-R, KH400, MXZ 700 Renegade	I mean really, it's a 650R. NOT a ZX-6R. It doesn't matter if you run ape hangers, clip-ons, stock bars, or a pair of dildos for handlebars.......................You need to feel good on the bike, riding something you KNOW, doing something NEW. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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