What do you look for to spot a new/less experienced rider? - Page 5

MatthaiN · 04-25-2010, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by cityxslicker

In no particular order
Temp tag on license plate
Fender Eleminator
Fairing 'Rash'
Lost blinkers
Missing Mirror
Bent Lever
Clipped passenger pegs
Lace up Converse Hightops
and yup, the wheelie (if you are a newb and trying to impress, you are dangerous; if you are experience and trying to impress... you are attracting LEO; and in either case, you get a wide berth from me.

I am sure I can add more after this weekends evolution of spring fever sillyness. I actually hope for rain on the weekends, just so I know the squidly didley types will stay home.

I bought my 2007 Ninja 3 weeks ago. It had 6k miles on it. It has fairing rash and scratches on the pegs and covers from the previous owner laying it down. Everything else is good to go. I am completely new to the world of street motorcycle riding as I used to ride dirtbikes and I have already put 1000 miles on my bike. I keep my chain clean and I lube it properly, I perform all the maintenance myself, I took the MSF course, and I wear full PPE and my helmet isnt cheap and I know the difference between stupidity and showboating and I am comfortable with admitting that I am a new rider. I may not have more then a month of riding experience but already more then 1k miles. It just seems like there is some stereotyping going on here. I believe the experience comes with the proper mindset and the will to accomplish what you set out to do. I dont ride stupidly and I am always riding within my comfort zone. I am only twenty years old and I bet I could point out a lot of you that are bad drivers too. I have been through defensive driving school and been on the tracks with cars but does it make me inexperienced because i have only been driving for 4 years. Hell no, I am a better driver then 90% of the people that drive around these days. Its pretty sad site when you see a brand new Mercedes Benz SLK 500 totaled on the side of the road because the dumbass didnt know how to drive in the snow but yet I cruise up the mountain in my little Civic with no studded tires or chains just fine. Its knowledge and wisdom that accumulate here not years of riding that determine experience. This can be applied to a lot of things in life. I plan to apply the same tactics i used for my driving skills to learning for a motorcycle in terms of safety and thinking. Yes, I am a "New" rider per say but I am not stupid. Sooo I think we should clarify the stereotype here. Sorry for the rant. Just had to get it out.

dragracer1951 · 04-25-2010, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by MatthaiN

I may not have more then a month of riding experience but already more then 1k miles. I am only twenty years old and I bet I could point out a lot of you that are bad drivers too. I have been through defensive driving school and been on the tracks with cars but does it make me inexperienced because i have only been driving for 4 years. Hell no, I am a better driver then 90% of the people that drive around these days.

Wait till you've survived a year in traffic before you start tellin everyone how you're better than 90% of the drivers out there.
Srsly.

Dragon Rider · 04-25-2010, 01:36 PM

Hey we all started riding at one point, and some (ie ME) don't like to admit how many years, OK OK decades ago that was, or how many hundred of thousands of miles ago that was, but we all started once.

And when I started I had absolutely no appreciation for the fact that each time I jumped on the bike, it could be my last time. (probably why I rode without a helmet from 16yrs to 22yrs old)

I had an absolute sense of invulnerability, that nothing could go wrong, and there was nothing out there I could not handle.

NOT TRUE.

I lost this sense of immunity after I watched a good friend crash trying to follow me through a corner I had completely @#$#@$ up and barely got through.

So I judge a rider's maturity by their apparent appreciation for the dangers, self inflicted or not, faced on a ride.

MatthaiN · 04-25-2010, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by dragracer1951

Wait till you've survived a year in traffic before you start tellin everyone how you're better than 90% of the drivers out there.
Srsly.

when i said driving... i was talking about actual driving, not riding. Hence the difference in use for both of those words.

MatthaiN · 04-25-2010, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dragon Rider

Hey we all started riding at one point, and some (ie ME) don't like to admit how many years, OK OK decades ago that was, or how many hundred of thousands of miles ago that was, but we all started once.

And when I started I had absolutely no appreciation for the fact that each time I jumped on the bike, it could be my last time. (probably why I rode without a helmet from 16yrs to 22yrs old)

I had an absolute sense of invulnerability, that nothing could go wrong, and there was nothing out there I could not handle.

NOT TRUE.

I lost this sense of immunity after I watched a good friend crash trying to follow me through a corner I had completely @#$#@$ up and barely got through.

So I judge a rider's maturity by their apparent appreciation for the dangers, self inflicted or not, faced on a ride.

See at my age, most people have that and its just stupid. I know the consequences that can result of me riding and not driving. It is definitely a sense of maturity and judgment in my opinion that is required, not just for MC riding but for everything.

Ti954 · 04-25-2010, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by skinny

Cheap gear is what I look for. Walmart helmets are a dead give away lol

I was in malmart once and the stupid cashier bitch grabbed my shoei and started rolling it around like she was trying to ring it up. I almost puncher her in the head!

To stay on topic, spotting a newb rider? Well that's easy. They're on a new hardley with all their new pirate gear that was made in China. Dead giveaway.

Ti954 · 04-25-2010, 03:24 PM

Body positioning and holding a good line while cornering will tell you a lot about someones riding ability. Experience has nothing to do with ability.

james1300 · 04-25-2010, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Rippn

Size 'em up WAY before the ride starts... else, it's like determining a surgeon's ability... mid operation.
I check they're bike's maintainence... that chain, TELLS A LOT.
If a person dosen't or won't... his percertion, awareness, ability and priorities are prolly lacking too.
This ain't no disco...lives, our own and others ...depend on the odds being stacked in our favor.
I'm DANG PICKY about who I will ride w/...
and WON'T hesitate say'n, "bye, have fun"... there are LOTS of like minded
TRUE MOTORCYCLENTHUSIASTS out there. They're the ones I seek out and enjoy riding w/.
FREE and clean, Ripp'n

Well said!
Thats why we do Bike Nites and Coffee's. So people can get to know people long before we trust one another to go for a ride.
We also go on beginner rides. Sport rides, and long rides. We also support each other at track days.
Like todays Riding for Rover 100 mile ride. You can learn alot about people when you ride an ez pace and make frequent stops(check-points).
So while on the ez rides you watch the riders around you. Do they hold their line? Can they maintain their intervil between bikes? Are they weaving around? Constantly having to use their breaks or throttle to stay with the group?
The group we rode with today was alot of fun!

YamahaBlue · 04-25-2010, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by smoothytaggert

a. someone that puts on 1,000 miles a year? = 1 ride or truly 3 if you're really stretching it

Unless it's a Ducati, then 1,000 miles = 1,000 Starbucks trips, now that's experience.

I look for people who try to reenact Isle of Man TT... at night...

YamahaBlue · 04-25-2010, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Ti954

I was in malmart once and the stupid cashier bitch grabbed my shoei and started rolling it around like she was trying to ring it up. I almost puncher her in the head!

That's what happens when you buy helments at malmart and i bet it was a fake shoei too have you checked what it says underneath that sticker?

handicappedfunhouse · 04-25-2010, 04:39 PM

courier11sec · 04-25-2010, 04:40 PM

Did I miss the reason that the title for this thread was changed?

Ti954 · 04-25-2010, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by YamahaBlue

That's what happens when you buy helments at malmart and i bet it was a fake shoei too have you checked what it says underneath that sticker?

It's an RF1000 you tard

taznhell · 04-25-2010, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by MatthaiN

I bought my 2007 Ninja 3 weeks ago. It had 6k miles on it. It has fairing rash and scratches on the pegs and covers from the previous owner laying it down. Everything else is good to go. I am completely new to the world of street motorcycle riding as I used to ride dirtbikes and I have already put 1000 miles on my bike. I keep my chain clean and I lube it properly, I perform all the maintenance myself, I took the MSF course, and I wear full PPE and my helmet isnt cheap and I know the difference between stupidity and showboating and I am comfortable with admitting that I am a new rider. I may not have more then a month of riding experience but already more then 1k miles. It just seems like there is some stereotyping going on here. I believe the experience comes with the proper mindset and the will to accomplish what you set out to do. I dont ride stupidly and I am always riding within my comfort zone. I am only twenty years old and I bet I could point out a lot of you that are bad drivers too. I have been through defensive driving school and been on the tracks with cars but does it make me inexperienced because i have only been driving for 4 years. Hell no, I am a better driver then 90% of the people that drive around these days. Its pretty sad site when you see a brand new Mercedes Benz SLK 500 totaled on the side of the road because the dumbass didnt know how to drive in the snow but yet I cruise up the mountain in my little Civic with no studded tires or chains just fine. Its knowledge and wisdom that accumulate here not years of riding that determine experience. This can be applied to a lot of things in life. I plan to apply the same tactics i used for my driving skills to learning for a motorcycle in terms of safety and thinking. Yes, I am a "New" rider per say but I am not stupid. Sooo I think we should clarify the stereotype here. Sorry for the rant. Just had to get it out.

Spotted

1K in three weeks impressive

So for every 100 cars on the road you saw 90 wrecked in the snow?

You should apply the same defensive tactics to the thread.

This thread is about spotting new riders not segregating them. Most guys on this site like giving valuable pointers to new/learning and even old riders wanting to learn new tricks.

That chip is going to get mighty heavy.

Ti954 · 04-25-2010, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by taznhell

Spotted

1K in three weeks impressive

So for every 100 cars on the road you saw 90 wrecked in the snow?

You should apply the same defensive tactics to the thread.

This thread is about spotting new riders not segregating them. Most guys on this site like giving valuable pointers to new/learning and even old riders wanting to learn new tricks.

That chip is going to get mighty heavy.

Now now, go easy on the snotnosed noob. We all thought we were the best driver/rider at 20 something. He'll have to learn the hard way just like everyone else.

Lepy · 04-25-2010, 04:57 PM

I have nothing to add to this...... jp. I'm very new to sport bikes. I have had many years on dirt, cruiser and cafe'. I find myself doing noob things. I understand giving a newer guy some room, but this has just become a noob bashing "im better than you" asshat post. I'm also wondering why I'm seeing and hearing "squid" used. I know some of the navy guys are stupid. I just think it's bullshit.
Oh and if any experienced riders want to come sponsor me, to help me out to be a better rider....... PLEASE DO SO. I'm a great cook and I will trade food for riding tips....

Ti954 · 04-25-2010, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Lepy

I have nothing to add to this...... jp. I'm very new to sport bikes. I have had many years on dirt, cruiser and cafe'. I find myself doing noob things. I understand giving a newer guy some room, but this has just become a noob bashing "im better than you" asshat post. I'm also wondering why I'm seeing and hearing "squid" used. I know some of the navy guys are stupid. I just think it's bullshit.
Oh and if any experienced riders want to come sponsor me, to help me out to be a better rider....... PLEASE DO SO. I'm a great cook and I will trade food for riding tips....

You just showed your noobness in spectacular fashion.

handicappedfunhouse · 04-25-2010, 05:11 PM

By definition, s.q.u.i.d is not always bad. But it fits into many but not all new riders

1)SQUID Superconducting Quantum Interference Device
2)SQUID Software Quality in the Development Process
3)SQUID Swimming Queers United in Denver
4)SQUID Stupidly Quick, Underdressed, Ignorant and Dangerous (motorcycle Slang)
5)SQUID Stupidly Quick, Underdressed and Imminently Dead (motorcycle Slang)
6)SQUID Standard Quick-release Universal Interface Device
7)SQUID Super Quick Until I Die (motorcycling slang)

If you use this meaning than its not bad. SQUID Super Quick Until I Die (motorcycling slang)
So 4&5 are bad 7...not so much. The rest, thats up for interpretation

coastiepete · 04-25-2010, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Ti954

You just showed your noobness in spectacular fashion.

Just keep posting. i like your avatar's boobs.

taznhell · 04-25-2010, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Ti954

Now now, go easy on the snotnosed noob. We all thought we were the best driver/rider at 20 something. He'll have to learn the hard way just like everyone else.

I was 21 years old it was 1987 and I had a 87 CBR1000 and I was bulletproof. I had been to a CHP training course for motor-officers. I had also spent time at the track and training there as well. I had 5 years on street bikes and I knew it all. I was lucky to live when I wrecked my bike at triple digits. Alot of factors were in my favor that night.

I would just like to see people not repeat those errors but history does repeat itself. Now I am 44 been riding for 28 years and the things I have learned is "There is always more to be learned" oh yeah and I am not bullet proof.


04-25-2010, 01:36 PM	#83
Dragon Rider Post Whore (In Training) Joined: Jul 2006 From: Portland OR I Ride: wee-strom,	Hey we all started riding at one point, and some (ie ME) don't like to admit how many years, OK OK decades ago that was, or how many hundred of thousands of miles ago that was, but we all started once. And when I started I had absolutely no appreciation for the fact that each time I jumped on the bike, it could be my last time. (probably why I rode without a helmet from 16yrs to 22yrs old) I had an absolute sense of invulnerability, that nothing could go wrong, and there was nothing out there I could not handle. NOT TRUE. I lost this sense of immunity after I watched a good friend crash trying to follow me through a corner I had completely @#$#@$ up and barely got through. So I judge a rider's maturity by their apparent appreciation for the dangers, self inflicted or not, faced on a ride. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


04-25-2010, 03:24 PM	#87
Ti954 Railer Joined: Dec 2009 From: S.E. Idaho I Ride: CBR954, YZ400F	Body positioning and holding a good line while cornering will tell you a lot about someones riding ability. Experience has nothing to do with ability. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


04-25-2010, 04:39 PM	#91
handicappedfunhouse Licensed Joined: Feb 2009 From: Portland, Oregon I Ride: 12 speed huffy	__________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


04-25-2010, 04:40 PM	#92
courier11sec Moto2 Contender Joined: Sep 2008 From: where they don't have lawns. I Ride: Red bike, Brown truck, various collections of junk held together poorly.	Did I miss the reason that the title for this thread was changed? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


04-25-2010, 04:57 PM	#96
Lepy Peg Dragger Joined: Mar 2010 From: Easy street Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: because it tickles	I have nothing to add to this...... jp. I'm very new to sport bikes. I have had many years on dirt, cruiser and cafe'. I find myself doing noob things. I understand giving a newer guy some room, but this has just become a noob bashing "im better than you" asshat post. I'm also wondering why I'm seeing and hearing "squid" used. I know some of the navy guys are stupid. I just think it's bullshit. Oh and if any experienced riders want to come sponsor me, to help me out to be a better rider....... PLEASE DO SO. I'm a great cook and I will trade food for riding tips.... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


04-25-2010, 05:11 PM	#98
handicappedfunhouse Licensed Joined: Feb 2009 From: Portland, Oregon I Ride: 12 speed huffy	By definition, s.q.u.i.d is not always bad. But it fits into many but not all new riders 1)SQUID Superconducting Quantum Interference Device 2)SQUID Software Quality in the Development Process 3)SQUID Swimming Queers United in Denver 4)SQUID Stupidly Quick, Underdressed, Ignorant and Dangerous (motorcycle Slang) 5)SQUID Stupidly Quick, Underdressed and Imminently Dead (motorcycle Slang) 6)SQUID Standard Quick-release Universal Interface Device 7)SQUID Super Quick Until I Die (motorcycling slang) If you use this meaning than its not bad. SQUID Super Quick Until I Die (motorcycling slang) So 4&5 are bad 7...not so much. The rest, thats up for interpretation __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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