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Old 01-07-2012, 06:11 PM   #81
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Qualifying......

1. Stewart
2. RV2
3. Dungey


8. Reed....

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Old 01-07-2012, 06:57 PM   #82
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Please no talking about who wins or gets fucked up. I got screwed and have to watch it later.

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Old 01-07-2012, 07:00 PM   #83
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Old 01-07-2012, 07:01 PM   #84
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Speed ch NOW!!! WoOt!

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Old 01-07-2012, 08:38 PM   #85
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Old 01-07-2012, 10:34 PM   #86
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1 RV
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Hmmmmmmmm ^^^^^^^

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Old 01-08-2012, 01:42 AM   #87
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I cant believe reed is the only guy stewart cares to race against....STILL. he could care less that dungey passes him, but as soon as reed fell, he could taste blood and started to ride hard again, unfortunately, he is still James Stewart. I think we have a new, fastest lazy rider out there. It used to be K-dub, now its J-Dumb.

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Old 01-08-2012, 02:11 AM   #88
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Dont count Stewart out just yet, he took a rest and still got up next...till he biffed

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Old 01-08-2012, 12:48 PM   #89
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Stewart is just like Rossi, an old has been. All he has now is that he can jump, just not any better than anyone else. He corners slower and is lazy in the whoops. The is nothing he can do against the newer, younger crowd, since his tradition is cheesey fries instead of hard work. While everyone else slims down and works on endurance (whatever that is for in a sprint race) he has to take a break, on the clock. His employer should be pissed.

Im just pissed that he's riding the best bike out there, Yamaha. He should get fired.

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Old 01-08-2012, 05:06 PM   #90
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If anyone missed it and has FUEL tv....its on again, just started

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Old 01-08-2012, 06:19 PM   #91
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Stewart is just like Rossi, an old has been. All he has now is that he can jump, just not any better than anyone else. He corners slower and is lazy in the whoops. The is nothing he can do against the newer, younger crowd, since his tradition is cheesey fries instead of hard work. While everyone else slims down and works on endurance (whatever that is for in a sprint race) he has to take a break, on the clock. His employer should be pissed.

Im just pissed that he's riding the best bike out there, Yamaha. He should get fired.
did you not see him pass like 6 people in the first lap of the main? ya me may not train as hard, or push the whole race but the dude it fast. natural talent, like rossi. but all the greats have there time. im not saying he will take the championship this year but he will for sure still pull some W's. long live king james

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Old 01-08-2012, 06:26 PM   #92
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so whys it a cheater??

not sure?

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Old 01-08-2012, 06:42 PM   #93
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so whys it a cheater??

not sure?
Not a cheater anymore. Their going to release 400 'factory edition' bikes that will have the the special head, crank,rod, and piston set up so it will meet the homologation rules.

Damn good looking bike btw

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/N...FACT-8535.aspx

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Old 01-08-2012, 06:47 PM   #94
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Not a cheater anymore. Their going to release 400 'factory edition' bikes that will have the the special head, crank,rod, and piston set up so it will meet the homologation rules.

Damn good looking bike btw

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/N...FACT-8535.aspx
kinda funny honestly...

that head and cam set up is close other than the valve cover to all the previous RFS motors used from 1998-2007 sxf motors.

will end up being a new model year anyway....meh

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Old 01-08-2012, 06:52 PM   #95
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Stewart is just like Rossi, an old has been. All he has now is that he can jump, just not any better than anyone else. He corners slower and is lazy in the whoops. The is nothing he can do against the newer, younger crowd, since his tradition is cheesey fries instead of hard work..... blah, blah.
Uh oh, this probably means Bubba's gonna win next week?!

Good race, about what i expected, Alesi looked pretty good on the Zuk.

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Old 01-09-2012, 08:16 AM   #96
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kinda funny honestly...

that head and cam set up is close other than the valve cover to all the previous RFS motors used from 1998-2007 sxf motors.

will end up being a new model year anyway....meh
This is what is being allowed, i understand.... If you recall Henry's 400 YAM, he was in the same situation. No production model. When the factory finally did put some out on the street, they were NOT the same, sure close but not the same. The factory claimed they made improvements. So his was a one-off, and trust me, better than anything you would have bought stock. just as Dungeys will be unlike the few production models sold. Sure, for the "next" series (outdoors) KTM will comform and have to use a production models, I bet you, this one will not be used as it wont conform to the rules once we get some production models out in May. I have been to the Honda factory facility and they have stacked crates of new production bikes to pull into the shop and build new from. The rules allow for some latitude but there are basic guidelines they must follow... frame, motor cases/head ect.... on the SX class, suspension can be one-off as well (cast magnesium fork lowers for instance). Lites must use stock exterior suspension components. This is all to keep costs down. But internal motor stuff is all Trick. Mitch P. uses for instance, trannies from a formula 1 trany manufacturer that are over 10k a set on his lites. Outdoors, Villo trashed one every weekend. Certainly not something a privateer can do, unless they are lottery winners!
Last season when Bubba had sensors on rear wheel that was being used in practice to manage/tune the ECU for sure. The fact that it was still on during races was ok, since it wasnt being used. This is where the sport has gone. VERY high tech. Even dungeys pipe has an O2 sensor bung just out of the head. Doubt the production will, as the ECU will be totally different than what he is using, as well as most of the un-obtainium materials inside to the motor.

Dont get me wrong, it just left a bad taste in my mouth with YAM back then, and i think its great that KTM is really coming out to play all over the world. It just makes it that much further from a non factory rider to have the equipment to be truely competitive. These modern bikes are so close that any secret EEK of technology that isnt given to the masses can be a huge advantage.

maybe it is a yawn, but it does smell of attempts with performance advantage.

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Old 01-09-2012, 11:33 AM   #97
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This is what is being allowed, i understand.... If you recall Henry's 400 YAM, he was in the same situation. No production model. When the factory finally did put some out on the street, they were NOT the same, sure close but not the same. The factory claimed they made improvements. So his was a one-off, and trust me, better than anything you would have bought stock. just as Dungeys will be unlike the few production models sold. Sure, for the "next" series (outdoors) KTM will comform and have to use a production models, I bet you, this one will not be used as it wont conform to the rules once we get some production models out in May. I have been to the Honda factory facility and they have stacked crates of new production bikes to pull into the shop and build new from. The rules allow for some latitude but there are basic guidelines they must follow... frame, motor cases/head ect.... on the SX class, suspension can be one-off as well (cast magnesium fork lowers for instance). Lites must use stock exterior suspension components. This is all to keep costs down. But internal motor stuff is all Trick. Mitch P. uses for instance, trannies from a formula 1 trany manufacturer that are over 10k a set on his lites. Outdoors, Villo trashed one every weekend. Certainly not something a privateer can do, unless they are lottery winners!
Last season when Bubba had sensors on rear wheel that was being used in practice to manage/tune the ECU for sure. The fact that it was still on during races was ok, since it wasnt being used. This is where the sport has gone. VERY high tech. Even dungeys pipe has an O2 sensor bung just out of the head. Doubt the production will, as the ECU will be totally different than what he is using, as well as most of the un-obtainium materials inside to the motor.

Dont get me wrong, it just left a bad taste in my mouth with YAM back then, and i think its great that KTM is really coming out to play all over the world. It just makes it that much further from a non factory rider to have the equipment to be truely competitive. These modern bikes are so close that any secret EEK of technology that isnt given to the masses can be a huge advantage.

maybe it is a yawn, but it does smell of attempts with performance advantage.
you really think that KTM is the only manufacturer pulling out all the stops that they can?


seriously?


yamaha back "then" and its KTM now?


is NO different than any other form of "racing"


the best drivers/riders get the best support.....


highly doubt you will see these bikes available off the showroom floor either
omg Ryan Villopoto Kawasaki and Chad Reeds honda

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Old 01-09-2012, 11:43 AM   #98
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Except when Yamaha did it, they were introducing an entirely new type of race bike as a prototype, high performance 4 stroke. KTM is just bringing out their new 4 stroke a little early.

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Old 01-09-2012, 12:08 PM   #99
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Except when Yamaha did it, they were introducing an entirely new type of race bike as a prototype, high performance 4 stroke. KTM is just bringing out their new 4 stroke a little early.
So they exploited the rule book and did everything that they could to win? Weird.

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Old 01-09-2012, 12:33 PM   #100
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im not arguing, just pointing out the facts... Bottom line, it is good for the sport and us the consumer too, if you ride KTM's.
you are just mising the theme of the thread....
of course your not gonna get a factory bike at your local shop! fact, it just makes it further apart for privateers to be competitive which was why the production rule was made in the first place.. of course the cream will always rise... Reed was only getting minor help early last season and still racing up front until honda stepped up, then they gave him all he needed, full factory support. infact he is now in the honda race shop, where the road race team used to be housed.
the fact is this bike is not... NOT a production based ride. that was all i was saying. FACT - yam did it back then, KTM is doing it now... no other manufacturer has in between and 4 strokes are not new so the "new" arguement isnt an arguement doesnt hold... Dungey wouldnt race the 350, and wouldnt be competitive on a non linked tube frame 450 ktm either. that is what has driven this KTM rules dance.
He frankly doesnt look comfortable on it yet.. he is such a great rider, they will sort it out but i dont believe in time for a title. Even Short looked more comfortable on the honda last night.

I wonder who's frame geometry KTM has copied for the perimeter frame? Hard to tell from pics yet. Need to see it up close!

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