Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-10-2012, 10:35 AM   #1
Shredder
WaGigKPN's Avatar
OP
 
Joined: Mar 2012
From: Gig Harbor, WA
Blog Entries: 1

I Ride: 2000 BRP (XR650R)
should i fight ticket?
Ok...so here goes...this happened on i5 NB near JBLM. it was around 6 pm so rush hour was winding down, but still possible sudden stop and go traffic.

I merge on to i5. blinker on. check lane 1 and 2 in mirror...very very clear. i move into lane 1 but dont accelerate so the cars in front can still merge. i double check lane 2. blinker still on. i move over to lane 2. now i am catching up to some cars infront of me in lane 2 and there is a brown truck moving faster than me in lane 3 but he is not up to my position yet. There is still room for me to make a quick switch to lane 3 and accelerate so i dont cut the brown truck off. i make a split second decision to change to lane 3 and accelerate just in case the brown truck is speeding. I put blinker on, lean over and make a quick lane change. i accelerate past the car that was in lane 2 and double check my mirror to make sure brown truck is not on my ass. im good so i let off the throttle and blinker again to move all the way over to lane 4 behind a white prius. i am now safely in the left lane and settling in for my jaunt up i5 to my exit home.

i look in my mirror prob 10 seconds later and LEO is there. I think cool. no big deal. 5-8 seconds later i double check. LEO is 8-10 ft off my rear tire. i think, not so cool, i blinker and move right. leo drags behind me and then moves over. now i know i am gonna get lit up. i blinker and move all the way to right and get pulled over.

leo asks why i was weaving and making lane change without blinker? saying i was driving aggressively. I state i did not weave and was sure i used blinkers. i stated i was moving to the left lane on my way home to avoid stop/go traffic in the right lanes. This was the only thing i was able to say about my actions. i get a 124$ ticket for improper lane change and he says he is giving me a break by not giving me an aggressive driving ticket.

My conclusion is that when switching to lane 3 from lane 2 i made a decision to accelerate toward what i knew was ahead of me instead of hitting breaks leaving myself open to being rear ended. (my worst fear while on the highway). I suppose in the future i will wait and let brown truck pass then move to lane 3. but i still want to take this ticket to court. i am convinced that i was proactive and did what i considered to be the safest decision at the time. whenever i run into slowing traffic i go on red alert...

thoughts?

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 

Old 05-10-2012, 10:43 AM   #2
Chicken Strips
WRtard's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2008
From: WA

I Ride: 'tarded
yes, fight the ticket....always.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 10:47 AM   #3
Intellectually Sphinctered
KillermondoDude's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2005
From: Camano Island

I Ride: cuz levitating takes way to much concentration
fight it

aggressive lane changes my ass its so i dont get fuckin CREAMED the most dangerous place to be is in a merge/ offramp area

Jeanie Mucklestone has had a buncha tickets dropped on me

pay a lawyer save on insurance or pay fine and make up that cost and then some with higher premiums

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 10:48 AM   #4
Shredder
lazyeye's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2010
From: Corvallis, Oregon

I Ride: 06 CBR600RR
Lawyer up. Fight every one.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 10:49 AM   #5
Moderator
Texasl's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2011
From: Port Orchard, WA

I Ride: 2007 Moto Guzzi Norge, 1988 H-D (Project) Electra-Glide
Definitely fight that bugger. If you signal intent and move into an opening w/o cutting off a vehicle, there is no standard as to how expeditiously you execute the maneuver.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 10:51 AM   #6
Shredder
WaGigKPN's Avatar
OP
 
Joined: Mar 2012
From: Gig Harbor, WA
Blog Entries: 1

I Ride: 2000 BRP (XR650R)
“ Quote:
Originally Posted by lazyeye View Post
Lawyer up. Fight every one.
i dont necessarily want to pay for a lawyer...over 124 bucks...and i already paid for this years insurance...

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 10:52 AM   #7
Shredder
WaGigKPN's Avatar
OP
 
Joined: Mar 2012
From: Gig Harbor, WA
Blog Entries: 1

I Ride: 2000 BRP (XR650R)
“ Quote:
Originally Posted by Texasl View Post
Definitely fight that bugger. If you signal intent and move into an opening w/o cutting off a vehicle, there is no standard as to how expeditiously you execute the maneuver.
LEO stated and will state in his report that i did not signal. my word vs his...

I ALWAYS SIGNAL, NO MATTER WHAT.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 10:55 AM   #8
Seņor verde
Bluuu's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2011
From: Kirkland

I Ride: behind the girls.
Always defend yourself against alleged infractions of the law. You have a right to defend yourself. Why would anyone even consider admitting guilt?

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 10:56 AM   #9
Shredder
cletus's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2009
From: sammamish, wa

I Ride: 2006 Suzuki GSXR 600; 2007 Yamaha FZ1 (the Mrs.'s bike)
“ Quote:
Originally Posted by WaGigKPN View Post
i dont necessarily want to pay for a lawyer...over 124 bucks...and i already paid for this years insurance...
What about next year's insurance? Fight the ticket....especially when you didn't do anything wrong.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 10:56 AM   #10
Licensed
inod3's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2010
From: Shoreline, WA

I Ride: 2002 Suzuki Bandit 600S
“ Quote:
Originally Posted by lazyeye View Post
lawyer up. Fight every one.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 10:56 AM   #11
Railer
mehoff636's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2010
From: Puyallup,WA

I Ride: 2009 street triple R
“ Quote:
Originally Posted by WaGigKPN View Post
i dont necessarily want to pay for a lawyer...over 124 bucks...and i already paid for this years insurance...
yes but what about the next year insurance or the years after that??

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 10:57 AM   #12
Seņor verde
Bluuu's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2011
From: Kirkland

I Ride: behind the girls.
“ Quote:
Originally Posted by WaGigKPN View Post
i dont necessarily want to pay for a lawyer...over 124 bucks...and i already paid for this years insurance...
It's not only "this year's" insurance you need to worry about. It's the next few years after this.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 11:07 AM   #13
Moderator
bukwld's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2007
From: 47.9792° N, 122.2008° W

I Ride: the 08 Gixxer 1K that I act like I can ride..
“ Quote:
Originally Posted by WaGigKPN View Post
LEO stated and will state in his report that i did not signal. my word vs his...

I ALWAYS SIGNAL, NO MATTER WHAT.
9 out of 10 times, the judge will believe the officer regardless. Officers are sworn people that are trusted to uphold the law, and even they will make mistakes. Writing in the report is all the officer has to do, and the judge will normally believe that based upon the reports.

My wife got a ticket a few years ago, and the officer made numerous errors on the ticket (hair color, eye color, and even her sex). She chose to fight it, and the judge just reduced the ticket and didn't even dismiss it based on that.

Needless to say, more than likely you will lose (hate to say it) if you defend yourself, and paying a few hundred for a lawyer will get it reduced to some kind of a non-moving violation (which happened with my recent one and my wife's recent one), and all we had to do was pay a fine.

The biggest risk you take is your insurance going up. Granted you already paid this year, but you have 3 more years of rate hikes, and you need to figure that into it.

That is why I choose to fight the tickets because on insurance rates on a few bikes and two cars. Cost of lawyer and fine is way cheaper than rate hikes on all of those.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 11:11 AM   #14
Shredder
WaGigKPN's Avatar
OP
 
Joined: Mar 2012
From: Gig Harbor, WA
Blog Entries: 1

I Ride: 2000 BRP (XR650R)
ok ok...your right. next years insurance...i wonder how much an 'improper lane change' will effect it. i do plan on fighting it but on the grounds of did i have a blinker on or not i dont see the judge siding with me...therefore i see it sticking. i am kind of upset that the LEO says i didnt have a blinker on. I told him respectfully i disagreed with him that i did not have a blinker on. I did agree that i made the lane change quickly. (from lane 2-3 not 1-3).

I did make a mistake of apologizing to him but that was out of feeling remorse for being pulled over. i never want to do anything to get pulled over. i did tell him thank you for not tagging me with aggressive driving. At that point i would lawyer up for sure...

BTW, anyone see me? quite a few bikes went by...the when i renewed tabs the DOL gave me new plates and apparently put the wrong plate # on my registration...i was there for 30 min at least...i was totally expecting a thread of shame when i got on my computer the next day!

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

Last edited by WaGigKPN; 05-10-2012 at 11:14 AM..
 
Old 05-10-2012, 11:22 AM   #15
Novice Racer
Thaloc's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2009
From: Wenatchee, WA

I Ride: in my memories
If you fight request video from the dash cam. It will either prove you signaled or didnt, it will also show the officers point of view while lane changing. Could be as simple as your left blinker was blocked from view, he assumed, ticketed you, and will be easily dismissed.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 11:37 AM   #16
Shredder
cletus's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2009
From: sammamish, wa

I Ride: 2006 Suzuki GSXR 600; 2007 Yamaha FZ1 (the Mrs.'s bike)
Chances are that he botched something when writting the ticket - its easy to do. A lawyer will spot it and will likely get it dismissed.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 11:39 AM   #17
Shredder
WaGigKPN's Avatar
OP
 
Joined: Mar 2012
From: Gig Harbor, WA
Blog Entries: 1

I Ride: 2000 BRP (XR650R)
“ Quote:
Originally Posted by cletus View Post
Chances are that he botched something when writting the ticket - its easy to do. A lawyer will spot it and will likely get it dismissed.
he said my hair was bwn when it is in fact blond...that count?

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 11:47 AM   #18
Moderator
Are_Six's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2006
From: Seattle

I Ride: A badelynge of Duc's
It certainly speaks to his ability to see clearly. Though you probably had your helmet on... Fight it. Hope he made a mistake in the processing of the ticket (hair color won't get it thrown out).

File for discovery, ask for everything you can think of. It might be on video, but since you used your turn signal that could only help your case.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 11:50 AM   #19
Railer
tunus's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2007
From: Beaverton, OR / Bellevue, WA

I Ride: 2000 Triumph Sprint ST and 03 Yamaha WR450F (plated)
It might be the case that your blinker was not on for long enough before executing the lane change. You admitted yourself that it was a swift change. I have been pulled over for the exact same reason and my blinker was ON, but the cop said I executed the lane change before my turn signal blinked 5 times. I was shocked at the reason but the stop was an endorsement check and did not get a ticket, so I was happy to let it go. I never checked if there is any RCW stating the blinker duration requirement.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Old 05-10-2012, 11:51 AM   #20
Shredder
cletus's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2009
From: sammamish, wa

I Ride: 2006 Suzuki GSXR 600; 2007 Yamaha FZ1 (the Mrs.'s bike)
“ Quote:
Originally Posted by WaGigKPN View Post
he said my hair was bwn when it is in fact blond...that count?
LOL. Probably not.

__________________
Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter
 
Reply

  PNW Riders > PNW Riders > Motorcycle Talk


Thread Tools
Display Modes



/pnwriders @pnwriders PNW Riders RSS Feed