Are front signals required in WA state??

SeanimusPrime91 · 05-18-2012, 10:39 PM

I have a 1992 ex500 and I want to take the front fairing off to give it a little more of a street look. I'm planning on keeping the headlight bracket on so I won't have to completely customize the thing, but the bracket doesn't have a spot for the signals to be bolted on. I can keep my headlight, mirrors, and speedo on, but nothing for the signals. So i was either going to take them completely off and just have my rear ones, or try to find a way to keep them on the front somehow. Any suggestions??

Avboden · 05-18-2012, 10:59 PM

pretty sure,

checking the RCW now

Andy Capp · 05-18-2012, 11:02 PM

Unofficial rules suggest there be a "STFU Donny" option

Duck tape for the win!

Avboden · 05-18-2012, 11:06 PM

Yes they are

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.37.070

(2) After January 1, 1960, every motor vehicle, trailer, semitrailer and pole trailer shall be equipped with electric turn signal lamps meeting the requirements of RCW 46.37.200(2), except that passenger cars, trailers, semitrailers, pole trailers, and trucks less than eighty inches in width, manufactured or assembled prior to January 1, 1953, need not be equipped with electric turn signal lamps.

Buy some small universal stem type turn signals and make a simple bracket, shouldn't be hard at all

SeanimusPrime91 · 05-18-2012, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Avboden

Yes they are

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.37.070

Buy some small universal stem type turn signals and make a simple bracket, shouldn't be hard at all

Yeah. But is that both front and back or just rear??

Avboden · 05-18-2012, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by SeanimusPrime91

Yeah. But is that both front and back or just rear??

yes

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.37.200

(2) Any vehicle may be equipped and when required under RCW 46.37.070(2) shall be equipped with electric turn signals which shall indicate an intention to turn by flashing lights showing to the front and rear of a vehicle or on a combination of vehicles on the side of the vehicle or combination toward which the turn is to be made. The lamps showing to the front shall be mounted on the same level and as widely spaced laterally as practicable and, when signaling, shall emit amber light: PROVIDED, That on any vehicle manufactured prior to January 1, 1969, the lamps showing to the front may emit white or amber light, or any shade of light between white and amber. The lamp showing to the rear shall be mounted on the same level and as widely spaced laterally as practicable, and, when signaling, shall emit a red or amber light, or any shade of color between red and amber. Turn signal lamps shall be visible from a distance of not less than five hundred feet to the front and rear in normal sunlight. Turn signal lamps may, but need not be, incorporated in other lamps on the vehicle.

SeanimusPrime91 · 05-18-2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Avboden

yes

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.37.200

Ok. Appreciate you lookin that up for me. I'll figure somethin out.

ddonacazx12 · 05-19-2012, 12:23 AM

well without seeing the bike I would guess:

two small brackets from hardware store / bike shop / scrap metal / lowes / whatever... bolt brackets to the headlight assy and bolt the signals to brackets.

problem solved.

firedad · 05-19-2012, 12:36 AM

Turn signal lamps may, but need not be, incorporated in other lamps on the vehicle.

Interesting... Seems the integrated signals would be legal according to this.

nsrg500 · 05-19-2012, 12:42 AM

No matter what you should have them ALL on. Give dumb ass in the cage every opportunity to see what you're about to do.
I would leave it till you come up with a good plan and the parts/tools/friend to help/get some ideas off other bikes.
Then have at it, make it clean, functional and different than the bike you just copied.

P.S. Use em. Your ridding buddies will appreciate it as well.
I don't know how many times I've almost pasted a friend in the lead spot when he was going to turn and I couldn't see those crappy $5 flush mounts that can't be seen in the sun shine.

Sorry, just a very pro "use your effin signals!" type a guy.

courier11sec · 05-19-2012, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by nsrg500

I don't know how many times I've almost pasted a friend in the lead spot when he was going to turn and I couldn't see those crappy $5 flush mounts that can't be seen in the sun shine.

Maybe you shouldn't be drafting your riding buddies on the street.

nsrg500 · 05-19-2012, 03:27 AM

I happened enough times we changed his signals.
It's like " I only looked away for a second and that's when he decides to turn on some random road?"
At least now a days they don't put those crappy little things on anymore.
I have 3 sets I took off/found and gently placed in the TRASH.
The two CBR's I got had em, GARBAGE!

To the OP. Keep em on or keep something up front. I'd like to know if you're turning left or going straight at a 4 way.

Texasl · 05-19-2012, 05:18 AM

Here is the WAC covering turn signals, including spacing.

This is the salient section.

"(ii) For motorcycles, the front and rear turn signal lamps must be at least nine inches apart, except that front turn signals on motorcycles manufactured after January 1, 1973, must be at least sixteen inches apart."

RedKat600 · 05-19-2012, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by firedad

Interesting... Seems the integrated signals would be legal according to this.

Technically, that covers the Euro style tail lights. IE stop light will flash as a turn signal. A lot of modern cars are like this, and those are what the law was designed to cover.

Integrateds are not legal per the above post regarding distance and surface area.

JeffW · 05-19-2012, 07:04 AM

Maybe look for something like these, to replace the mirrors on the bike, and take care of the front signals at the same time. These are just an example, not ones I would recomend.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/05-06-GSXR10...a3cdcb&vxp=mtr

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Keep the whole fairing on and just deal with it.	9	31.03%
Take the fairing off with the signals and chance it.	2	6.90%
Find some way to take the fairing off but keep signals on.	18	62.07%
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05-18-2012, 10:39 PM	#1
SeanimusPrime91 Newbie Joined: Apr 2012 From: Lynnwood, Washington I Ride: 1992 Kawasaki Ninja ex 500	Are front signals required in WA state?? I have a 1992 ex500 and I want to take the front fairing off to give it a little more of a street look. I'm planning on keeping the headlight bracket on so I won't have to completely customize the thing, but the bracket doesn't have a spot for the signals to be bolted on. I can keep my headlight, mirrors, and speedo on, but nothing for the signals. So i was either going to take them completely off and just have my rear ones, or try to find a way to keep them on the front somehow. Any suggestions?? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-18-2012, 10:59 PM	#2
Avboden Moto2 Contender Joined: Oct 2007 From: from Wa, living on Grenada (island) I Ride: 2007 BMW F800S, 1999 ATK 605 ESDS/SM	pretty sure, checking the RCW now __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Avboden; 05-18-2012 at 11:01 PM..


05-18-2012, 11:02 PM	#3
Andy Capp Superbiker Joined: Oct 2010 From: Everett, WA I Ride: 05 GSX-R750, 08 675, 72 XL250	Unofficial rules suggest there be a "STFU Donny" option Duck tape for the win! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-19-2012, 12:23 AM	#8
ddonacazx12 Superbiker Joined: Jul 2007 From: Camas, Washington I Ride: 05 zx12r	well without seeing the bike I would guess: two small brackets from hardware store / bike shop / scrap metal / lowes / whatever... bolt brackets to the headlight assy and bolt the signals to brackets. problem solved. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-19-2012, 12:42 AM	#10
nsrg500 Shredder Joined: May 2011 From: Everett. WA I Ride: GS1150 Rat bike, NSR(G)500cc two stroke,CBR 900rr	No matter what you should have them ALL on. Give dumb ass in the cage every opportunity to see what you're about to do. I would leave it till you come up with a good plan and the parts/tools/friend to help/get some ideas off other bikes. Then have at it, make it clean, functional and different than the bike you just copied. P.S. Use em. Your ridding buddies will appreciate it as well. I don't know how many times I've almost pasted a friend in the lead spot when he was going to turn and I couldn't see those crappy $5 flush mounts that can't be seen in the sun shine. Sorry, just a very pro "use your effin signals!" type a guy. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by nsrg500; 05-19-2012 at 12:46 AM..


05-19-2012, 03:27 AM	#12
nsrg500 Shredder Joined: May 2011 From: Everett. WA I Ride: GS1150 Rat bike, NSR(G)500cc two stroke,CBR 900rr	I happened enough times we changed his signals. It's like " I only looked away for a second and that's when he decides to turn on some random road?" At least now a days they don't put those crappy little things on anymore. I have 3 sets I took off/found and gently placed in the TRASH. The two CBR's I got had em, GARBAGE! To the OP. Keep em on or keep something up front. I'd like to know if you're turning left or going straight at a 4 way. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-19-2012, 05:18 AM	#13
Texasl Joined: Apr 2011 From: Port Orchard, WA I Ride: 2007 Moto Guzzi Norge, 1988 H-D Electra-Glide	Here is the WAC covering turn signals, including spacing. This is the salient section. "(ii) For motorcycles, the front and rear turn signal lamps must be at least nine inches apart, except that front turn signals on motorcycles manufactured after January 1, 1973, must be at least sixteen inches apart." __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-19-2012, 07:04 AM	#15
JeffW Permit Joined: Aug 2007 From: Rochester I Ride: '05 Bandit 1200, '84 VF1100S, '87 XR600	Maybe look for something like these, to replace the mirrors on the bike, and take care of the front signals at the same time. These are just an example, not ones I would recomend. http://www.ebay.com/itm/05-06-GSXR10...a3cdcb&vxp=mtr __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by JeffW; 05-19-2012 at 07:07 AM..

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