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Old 06-15-2012, 09:45 AM   #1
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Helmets save $3B in 2010!
Interesting data from the Center for Disease Control (CDC):

<<Annual cost savings in states with universal motorcycle helmet laws were nearly four times greater (per registered motorcycle) than in states without these comprehensive laws, according to a Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report study released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Universal helmet laws require that motorcycle riders and passengers wear a helmet every time they ride.

Annual costs saved from helmet use, in terms of medical, productivity, and other costs, ranged from a high of $394 million in California (which has a universal helmet law) to a low of $2.6 million in New Mexico (which has a partial law). Partial helmet laws require that only certain riders, such as those under age 21, to wear a helmet.

Universal helmet laws result in cost savings by increasing helmet use among riders and passengers, which reduces crash-related injuries and deaths. According to a CDC analysis of fatal crash data from 2008 to 2010, 12 percent of motorcyclists in states with universal helmet laws were not wearing helmets. In comparison, 64 percent of riders were not wearing helmets in states with partial helmet laws, and 79 percent of riders were not wearing helmets in states with no helmet laws.

“Increasing motorcycle helmet use can save lives and money,” said CDC Director Thomas R. Frieden, M.D., M.P.H. “In 2010, more than $3 billion in economic costs were saved due to helmet use in the United States. Another $1.4 billion could have been saved if all motorcyclists had worn helmets.” >>

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http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/20...ycle_laws.html


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Old 06-15-2012, 09:54 AM   #2
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But you don't look cool with a helmet =/

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Old 06-15-2012, 10:15 AM   #3
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“Increasing motorcycle helmet use can save lives and money,” said CDC Director Thomas R. Frieden, M.D., M.P.H. “In 2010, more than $3 billion in economic costs were saved due to helmet use in the United States. Another $1.4 billion could have been saved if all motorcyclists had worn helmets.”

Yeah, and we could save even more if we didn't allow people to ride motorcycles at all. People that justify helmet laws should be careful which justifications they use, be cause some of those same justifications could be used to come after their bikes next.

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Old 06-15-2012, 11:13 AM   #4
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And bath mats keep people from slipping in the tub, but even more injuries would be prevented if no one bathed at all. Lets be realistic, Bluuu!

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Old 06-15-2012, 11:16 AM   #5
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Interesting data from the Center for Disease Control (CDC):

<<Annual cost savings in states with universal motorcycle helmet laws blah blah blah blah
From the CDC huh? So I take it motorcycling is a disease now?

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Old 06-15-2012, 11:45 AM   #6
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From the CDC huh? So I take it motorcycling is a disease now?
YEP! I've spread it to a few girlfriends

Some prefer it on the back though

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Old 06-15-2012, 12:33 PM   #7
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And bath mats keep people from slipping in the tub, but even more injuries would be prevented if no one bathed at all. Lets be realistic, Bluuu!
I remember people telling me to be realistic before, many times...

That was before govt started making it illegal to buy too large of a soda or that people couldn't smoke on a sidewalk or in their own apartments, or how big of a toilet tank they could have, or what kind of light bulb they could buy. Now I read NYC is considering regulating the size of popcorn buckets.

People already are applying the same justifications for helmet laws, and other justifications, to the call for banning motorcycles completely.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/citylink...,4414821.story

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...pert-says.html

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne.../_/R-EPI-98834

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/06/2...park-shooting/

http://m.facebook.com/pages/Ban-Moto...%2Fsearch&_rdr

http://ukfrancebikers.com/2012/03/01...ity-centres-2/

http://www.thediliweekly.com/en/news/capital/924

What were you saying again about being realistic Pete?

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Old 06-15-2012, 12:39 PM   #8
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I wonder how much B.C. will save?

http://www.straight.com/article-7090...lmet-law-rides

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Old 06-15-2012, 01:24 PM   #9
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Interesting Vega helmets claim they alone sell 200,000 helmets annually. I don't know how many the others sell, but if Vega is selling 200k a year, its safe to say its a hell of a lot more than a cost to riders of 3 billion "saving" in med bills. Also last time I checked I paid for insurance, so that too didn't save anyone anything other than my isurance company that isn't losing a dime.

That said I'll always wear a helmet, I just don't like the government BS reports like that.


**Vega stat: http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...t-Of-Vega.aspx

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Old 06-15-2012, 01:50 PM   #10
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Actually, what's gonna get motorcycles banned faster is no helmet laws and outrageous medical costs as a result. Being responsible and leaving a small liability footprint is our best insurance for the continuance of our recreation.

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Old 06-15-2012, 02:19 PM   #11
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I remember people telling me to be realistic before, many times...blah, blah, blah......What were you saying again about being realistic Pete?
When they outlaw something really dangerous like guns, I'll start worrying.

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Old 06-15-2012, 02:43 PM   #12
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When they outlaw something really dangerous like guns, I'll start worrying.
If that ever happens you won't have to worry about your bike or wearing a helmet anymore.

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Old 06-15-2012, 02:53 PM   #13
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Saves who money? the taxpayers who cover the cost of first responders and the uninsured? Or the insurance companies who make tremendous profit (possibly they also pass the costs on, rather than reduce profit?) or the individual who walks away rather than being carried away from a get-off ?

I’v heard from guys born in the 1940’s that there was an ethos for riders to always say you tripped on a cat - to keep motorcycle injury statistics down. Recall when Unsafe at Any Speed was published - banning motorcycles is not inconceivable.

In fact we should all be life members of the AMA, they are our best advocate.

I have always worn a helmet and have always been blessed to have health insurance.

However I feel the decision to wear a helmet is an adults, people say to not ride a motorcycle at all because it is too risky. I do support laws for people under 21 (maybe 30? when do americans grow up?) simply because peer- pressure and ‘looking cool’ can get the best of us.

Of course that’s not fair because many of us grew up on dirtbikes and are safer at 20 than mid-life crisis man - but the law should error on the side of safety and freedom - so how about 10,000 accident free miles of riding and having seen one friend die or having had a gett-off yourself and 21 or ??? I have no idea - but would be interesting to workout.

How would people feel about requiring health insurance to ride a motorcycle or go snowboarding? is that more or less restrictive than a helmet (law) ? (more ‘cause it cost more or less because you can still feel that wind in your hair - insurance card in just in the wallet)

I don’t know - I do know I went for a 45 miller this morning and snuck in a 24 mile potato potato this afternoon - back to work - but in the end have fun and be safe!

rant off - just bummed to be in front of the computer on a NICE day!

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Old 06-15-2012, 03:10 PM   #14
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The data for how many lives loud pipes saved is missing.

ETA: "Obamacare" is going to be a disaster for high-risk activities.

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Old 06-15-2012, 03:15 PM   #15
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I feel naked without my helmet even just moving my bike in my driveway, I start thinking about all those dumb ass people you see on youtube that stunt and ride without helmets and they $%& up and slip the throttle, or clutch and crash into walls, cars, and other people. It's bound to happen to anyone, but that feeling of common sense kicks in as soon as I start the bike. I'd rather keep my melon together, glad I could contribute to the Huge savings, do they offer a cash back safety program on the 3b figure?

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Old 06-15-2012, 03:40 PM   #16
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And bath mats keep people from slipping in the tub, but even more injuries would be prevented if no one bathed at all. Lets be realistic, Bluuu!
Actually we bathe too much, imagine that. Bathing too much causes your immune system to get all screwed up, and that does cost us lots of your precious money.

But on another note, imagine the thousands of billions that could be saved if helmets were required for every motor vehicle operator and passenger. I think you found a way to balance the federal budget.

Why don't you push that issue PeteN95, instead of just spreading negative news about motorcycles in a motorcycle forum.

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Old 06-15-2012, 04:16 PM   #17
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NHTSA and CDC both do an excellent job of cherry picking their data and skewing the picture. They tend to ignore causality or the actual level of public funding involved, lumping the entire cost of care if any public dollars is utilized, even if the medical cost is actually borne 95% by the consumer. They also tend to include all deaths, helmeted or not.

Bottom line: While helmets are definitely a valuable asset in the event of a crash, the operative word is CRASH. Public policy based on "safer crashing" in lieu of crash prevention is fundamentally flawed. A person can make the choice to accept that premise, but it is not, nor should it be, the role of government.

BTW: What is this "bathing" people are speaking of. Doesn't everyone just tie some soap on a rope to the handlebars and ride in our wonderful weather?

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Old 06-15-2012, 06:04 PM   #18
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I need to clean my screen, i thought the title meant you could save $38 on helmets in 2010 and waiting for a repeat 2012 helmet sale....

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Old 06-15-2012, 06:14 PM   #19
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I need to clean my screen, i thought the title meant you could save $38 on helmets in 2010 and waiting for a repeat 2012 helmet sale....
Oh my, this thread is not worth a screen cleaning You must be very young and require a screen cleaning every day, no matter what subject matter

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Old 06-15-2012, 08:08 PM   #20
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Nice chart! Now if I could only figure out what it's telling us. I see at least a couple of possibilities: Riders in North Carolina crash a lot, are VERY productive, and health care there costs a lot
or
Riders in New Mexico don't crash much, aren't very productive, and health care's REALLY cheap.

Maybe some combination of the two?

I believe it's been said 'There are lies, damned lies, and statistics'.

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