Locking tie down straps

Wyckedan · 08-21-2012, 07:04 AM

Many times after a trackday I'm too worn out to unload my bike, or have to leave it overnight outside at a hotel. While the trailer hitch has a lock on it, it would be pretty easy to just unload the bike off the trailer to steal it. So I googled locking tie down straps and found Lockstraps.com. Pretty neat concept. The incorporate a steel cable down the inside of the strap, and a locking caribiner, to make the bike a bit more secure. I realize a cable could be cut with bolt cutters, but I still like the idea. I think I'm going to pick a set up, they're damn nice tie downs just by themselves. A little spendy at $40 a piece, but they seem really high quality. The only fault I see is the your canyon dancers could still be easily cut with a pocket knife. But I bet there's an easy solution for that.

koorbloh · 08-21-2012, 07:59 AM

$40 is cheap for anything that is actually secure.

fyi, those aren't secure.

Wyckedan · 08-21-2012, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by koorbloh

$40 is cheap for anything that is actually secure.

fyi, those aren't secure.

Where do you see a weak point?

koorbloh · 08-21-2012, 08:27 AM

the locks that could easily be torn apart with pliers

the cable easily cut by dikes

the strap end rivets easily torn apart with a drill or dremel

I'd go on, but that covers literally every part that they are trying to make secure

it's more secure than a normal strap, but if you really want security get a garage, or an enclosed trailer.

*garages and trailers are only secure because they are "out of sight, out of mind"

Heavy-T · 08-21-2012, 08:55 AM

Don't listen to idiots... those straps would provide way more protection than your regular straps (and in front of a hotel they typically don't have garages.) I'd buy a $20 brake disc lock and slap it on there too and call it a day.

Thiefs are looking for the easy pick. They aren't stupid because they steal, they steal because they're stupid.

KevinD · 08-21-2012, 08:59 AM

I looked at that and the first thing I saw was the rinky-dink adjuster.
What's to stop one from simply sliding the strap apart at the adjuster? As koorbloh pointed out, those rivets ain't gonna stop a determined thief.

KevinD

Wyckedan · 08-21-2012, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by KevinD

I looked at that and the first thing I saw was the rinky-dink adjuster.
What's to stop one from simply sliding the strap apart at the adjuster? As koorbloh pointed out, those rivets ain't gonna stop a determined theif.

KevinD

You're supposed to loop it around itself to tale up the slack, and slide the end in the locking device. Yeah the rivets could be drilled out, but that requires a drill. Most thefts are spur of the moment decisions, if they have the right tools they're gonna get it, but as far as slowing the random snatch and grab, this would help with that.

Heavy-T · 08-21-2012, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by KevinD

I looked at that and the first thing I saw was the rinky-dink adjuster.
What's to stop one from simply sliding the strap apart at the adjuster? As koorbloh pointed out, those rivets ain't gonna stop a determined theif.

KevinD

The galvanized steel rivets are larger than the opening of the adjuster preventing it from sliding through. And as I mentioned... those are galvanized steel rivets, your typical drill isn't going to be able to drill a hole in button head galvanized steel rivets. The parking lot of a hotel is public enough I would trust these straps to deter a thief.

Look at the specs yourself before making judgment

And last but not least, always remember I before E except after C

koorbloh · 08-21-2012, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Wyckedan

You're supposed to loop it around itself to tale up the slack, and slide the end in the locking device. Yeah the rivets could be drilled out, but that requires a drill. Most thefts are spur of the moment decisions, if they have the right tools they're gonna get it, but as far as slowing the random snatch and grab, this would help with that.

for the random guy, yeah, it's gonna help.

unless that random guy gets pissed off and comes back or breaks your shit out of anger

wonton · 08-21-2012, 09:17 AM

Why not just chain your bike to your trailer?

KevinD · 08-21-2012, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Heavy-T

Look at the specs yourself before making judgment

And last but not least, always remember I before E except after C

See?
This is what I get for being lazy & typing too fast!

Originally Posted by http://www.lockstraps.com

Lockstraps are kind of like rolling up the window of your vehicle.

If you went shopping at the mall for about 1.5 hours and went out to your vehicle and notice that you left all your windows down, you would think “wow that was dumb, I hope everything is still there.” That is how it is with a pickup truck and open trailer all the time. Change the scenario; you are at the mall for about 1.5 hours and you come back to your vehicle to notice you left only one of your windows down but then you look closer and notice on the ground a pile of glass. (A terrible feeling by the way) Now your thought is …”crap they got me!” However, notice you are not mad at the window, it did its job. We all know how easy it is to break a window. Anything can be broken in seconds if you have the right tools. All we can do is keep the honest person honest. The window and the Lockstraps will keep away 90% of theft…..the other 10%; there is nothing we can do about.

At least they're honest enough to recognize & state the limitations!

KevinD

cal_look_zero · 08-21-2012, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by wonton

Why not just chain your bike to your trailer?

This. Regular tie downs + BF chain + heavy duty master lock = win.

BMXKING · 08-21-2012, 09:34 AM

Wasnt there a thread not too long ago about motorcycle thieves? And, in the video provided the ex thief made it very clear that if they want your bike, they'll get it no matter what. He suggested that all you can do is your best to deter them from stealing your bike. In other words dont make it an easy target.

Little things like this WITH other forms of security put together make it a time consuming bitch to steal and thats what will keep your bike yours.

Just my humble opinion, get the straps if at least it gives you some peace of mind.

blueline15 · 08-21-2012, 09:36 AM

Fuck it, I'd just unbolt your handlebars or clips-ons. You can keep that shit.

*I'm not a thief.

Mic · 08-21-2012, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Heavy-T

The galvanized steel rivets are larger than the opening of the adjuster preventing it from sliding through. And as I mentioned... those are galvanized steel rivets, your typical drill isn't going to be able to drill a hole in button head galvanized steel rivets. The parking lot of a hotel is public enough I would trust these straps to deter a thief.

Your statement about a typical drill isn't going to be able to drill a hole in a galvanized steel rivet?

Galvanizing is not a hardening process. It is the process of bonding zinc to steel in order to prevent it from rusting. It is a very weak layer and you can easily scratch galvanizing off, as it is a surface treatment, that is it.

Andy Capp · 08-21-2012, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by wonton

Why not just chain your bike to your trailer?

Winner!

Combination locks are a piece of cake to a good thief or someone with access to youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og6fn...e_gdata_player

Edit- ........and chain your trailer too. The locks they put on draw bars are even easier to crack.

Yamacrab · 08-21-2012, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Heavy-T

And last but not least, always remember I before E except after C

That's Weird.

Wyckedan · 08-21-2012, 10:13 AM

Found a few others, each with their own set of flaws though.
http://www.steelcore.net/index.html
http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com...ot-p-1358.html

Real Fast Travis · 08-21-2012, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by koorbloh

it's more secure than a normal strap, but if you really want security get a garage, or an enclosed trailer.

*garages and trailers are only secure because they are "out of sight, out of mind"

Enclosed trailers are targets for theives, especially in front of motels.

Easy to steal, almost always full of valuables...tools, vehicles, musical equipment, ect... And if they are empty, stolen trailers are easy to sell.

Your logic is flawed....

koorbloh · 08-21-2012, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Real Fast Travis

Enclosed trailers are targets for theives, especially in front of motels.

Easy to steal, almost always full of valuables...tools, vehicles, musical equipment, ect... And if they are empty, stolen trailers are easy to sell.

Your logic is flawed....

*shrug*

an enclosed trailer might have bikes, or it might have beds in it.

an enclosed trailer has exactly what you can see.


08-21-2012, 07:04 AM	#1
Wyckedan Streetfighter Joined: Feb 2010 From: Seattle, Wa I Ride: An 06 R6 with OPRT	Locking tie down straps Many times after a trackday I'm too worn out to unload my bike, or have to leave it overnight outside at a hotel. While the trailer hitch has a lock on it, it would be pretty easy to just unload the bike off the trailer to steal it. So I googled locking tie down straps and found Lockstraps.com. Pretty neat concept. The incorporate a steel cable down the inside of the strap, and a locking caribiner, to make the bike a bit more secure. I realize a cable could be cut with bolt cutters, but I still like the idea. I think I'm going to pick a set up, they're damn nice tie downs just by themselves. A little spendy at $40 a piece, but they seem really high quality. The only fault I see is the your canyon dancers could still be easily cut with a pocket knife. But I bet there's an easy solution for that. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-21-2012, 07:59 AM	#2
koorbloh Je Fa Fa Joined: Mar 2007 From: Monroe-mish, WA Blog Entries: 5 I Ride: 07 YZ450F, 74 XL350, 78 CB400	$40 is cheap for anything that is actually secure. fyi, those aren't secure. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-21-2012, 08:27 AM	#4
koorbloh Je Fa Fa Joined: Mar 2007 From: Monroe-mish, WA Blog Entries: 5 I Ride: 07 YZ450F, 74 XL350, 78 CB400	the locks that could easily be torn apart with pliers the cable easily cut by dikes the strap end rivets easily torn apart with a drill or dremel I'd go on, but that covers literally every part that they are trying to make secure it's more secure than a normal strap, but if you really want security get a garage, or an enclosed trailer. garages and trailers are only secure because they are "out of sight, out of mind" __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook* and Twitter


08-21-2012, 08:55 AM	#5
Heavy-T Shredder Joined: Apr 2006 From: Richland, Washington I Ride: Whatever strikes my fancy for the day...	Don't listen to idiots... those straps would provide way more protection than your regular straps (and in front of a hotel they typically don't have garages.) I'd buy a $20 brake disc lock and slap it on there too and call it a day. Thiefs are looking for the easy pick. They aren't stupid because they steal, they steal because they're stupid. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-21-2012, 08:59 AM	#6
KevinD Joined: Mar 2009 From: Spokane Valley I Ride: Suzuki Boulevard C90, Suzuki DRZ400E, My Wife's Scooter	I looked at that and the first thing I saw was the rinky-dink adjuster. What's to stop one from simply sliding the strap apart at the adjuster? As koorbloh pointed out, those rivets ain't gonna stop a determined thief. KevinD __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by KevinD; 08-21-2012 at 09:26 AM..


08-21-2012, 09:17 AM	#10
wonton Endorsed Joined: Mar 2011 From: seattle	Why not just chain your bike to your trailer? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-21-2012, 09:34 AM	#13
BMXKING Licensed Joined: Jun 2011 From: Yakima, WA I Ride: 02 R1	Wasnt there a thread not too long ago about motorcycle thieves? And, in the video provided the ex thief made it very clear that if they want your bike, they'll get it no matter what. He suggested that all you can do is your best to deter them from stealing your bike. In other words dont make it an easy target. Little things like this WITH other forms of security put together make it a time consuming bitch to steal and thats what will keep your bike yours. Just my humble opinion, get the straps if at least it gives you some peace of mind. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-21-2012, 09:36 AM	#14
blueline15 Race Qualifier Joined: Aug 2008 From: Where the snow falls Blog Entries: 3 I Ride: one with two wheels	Fuck it, I'd just unbolt your handlebars or clips-ons. You can keep that shit. I'm not a thief. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook* and Twitter


08-21-2012, 10:13 AM	#18
Wyckedan Streetfighter Joined: Feb 2010 From: Seattle, Wa I Ride: An 06 R6 with OPRT	Found a few others, each with their own set of flaws though. http://www.steelcore.net/index.html http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com...ot-p-1358.html __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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