braking - Page 4

gannonjf · 09-10-2012, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Texasl

I just like to ride the straights like my butt is on fire, cram on the brakes at the last minute, stack up traffic behind me, then creep through the corner at 10 mph, and all to do it again.

Irritates everyone behind me, but then, it's not like I care. Should not have put the geriatric hippie in front.

Funny ass old man right there!

SprintnFJ · 09-10-2012, 12:31 PM

Mrmat25 · 09-10-2012, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by SprintnFJ

Reflexx · 09-10-2012, 12:43 PM

Melbs5150 · 09-10-2012, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Mrmat25

He is spending all his money on the dates he is getting from his "...any single ladies out there..." thread.

Coffee, blow, hookers and hotel rooms (not necessarily in that order) are expensive don't ya know?

Fixt

Melbs5150 · 09-10-2012, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by SprintnFJ

Originally Posted by Mrmat25

Originally Posted by Reflexx

tims007 · 09-10-2012, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by SprintnFJ

Originally Posted by Mrmat25

Originally Posted by Reflexx

Originally Posted by Melbs5150

Stringcheese · 09-10-2012, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Mrmat25

This thread is full of win.

Jason and Jeff (Stringcheese) come on out to the couve coffee night tomorrow. This will make for a good topic with lots for people to learn (myself included (I am always up for learning)).

Maybe.

Originally Posted by Jason D

Will this reduce the number of interweb know it alls?

Fuck no. I'll still be here.

Melbs5150 · 09-10-2012, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Mrmat25

This thread is full of win.

Jason and Jeff (Stringcheese) come on out to the couve coffee night tomorrow. This will make for a good topic with lots for people to learn (myself included (I am always up for learning)).

Jason Pridmore stated last year when I attended the STAR school that it's not a racetrack, it's a learning track.

You will garner far more instruction from riding on the track than you will at a fucking coffee shop.

MOTOGPwannabe · 09-10-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by tims007

man you guys get worked up.......

ddonacazx12 · 09-10-2012, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by mfrankpdx

I try not to brake when riding in the twisties. If I must, I do all my braking before I begin counter steering. If I find myself still on the brakes while I'm tipping the bike in, or as I'm cornering, then I simply slow down. I want to be on the throttle throughout the entire turn so the bike is settled, and my weight/traction in on that big hunk of meat rear tire. This is how I ride, regardless of who's behind or in front of me. When I don't ride like that, I crash (just ask the Portland section!).

don't let Mark bs ya... he's a smooth, fast, mother...

Originally Posted by Stringcheese

On the street get your braking done before you tip in, there shouldn't be any need for trail braking on the street. When I do the route you guys did yesterday I play a little game with myself and try to touch the brakes as little as possible. Less brakes makes you more smooth. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

ditto goes for jeff.

Originally Posted by Jason D

If you are riding with a group of people who dont use their brakes when they ride then I would just find a faster group of people to ride with! There are brakes on a bike for a reason just like a car. You dont go drive around in your car without using brakes do you? That would make for some slow commuting! Anyone who says "we dont use our brakes when we ride" probably isnt anyone I would want to have to wait up for anyhow.

And Im gueesing it was just someone trying to make you feal like a newb because they are such an experienced PNW Street Rider!

now Jason is just a fking freak of nature who was born without the fear gene. (who the hell gets like top 5 the first race they're ever in?!?!)

Originally Posted by smonky

im within my comfort level and feel that im using all the proper techniques. i dont quite understand all the links to 'the pace" as it doesnt really catch me as doing anything different. also i dont quite get how you can maintain one comfortable speed at all times as on the street all corners are different be it camber, pavement conditions, angles...perhaps im missing the point.

i do however ride my own ride and have a damn fine time doing it. i wont lie, i have had a close call or two when i my concentration broke at the wrong time. but i learned from it, refocused and powered on. i appreciate the comments from everyone especially stringcheese who knows the roads im speaking of and Jason D seeing as he has a OMRRA # means alot.

sounds like this is a semi hot topic, continue on!

it's (imho) more a question of context... if I'm cruising say 60-65ish on a road with 20-30 mph corners (posted speed) ...think ranger station... I wont really use my brakes, maybe a downshift or a slight roll-off to set up and then in. (but I'm slow remember) If I'm riding with the above guys when they're taking it easy ( which means I'm at 80ish% and their at 50-60

)
then I do dust the brakes to bleed off a bit more speed cuz I can't carry as much corner speed as they can.

again (imho) both are correct, just depends a bit on the situation.

Tromatic · 09-10-2012, 02:08 PM

"The Pace" is about staying ahaead of the motorcycle. Back in the goodle' days, you could see Ienatsch and crew on Ortega hiway every now and then. Drama-free speed, on rails.

People who are on famiiliar roads who can do "the pace" are hard to keep up with. Lack of drama is not a squidly value, I guess.

Cyndy · 09-10-2012, 02:15 PM

So...... I'm not supposed to use my brakes? I'm so confused.

Jason D · 09-10-2012, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Cyndy

So...... I'm not supposed to use my brakes? I'm so confused.

Nope Cyndy, no brakes for you! I dont think they even have them on those fancy orange bikes like you ride?

Cyndy · 09-10-2012, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Jason D

Nope Cyndy, no brakes for you! I dont think they even have them on those fancy orange bikes like you ride?

LOL. Dang!! This is going to take some getting used to.

Tromatic · 09-10-2012, 02:43 PM

"The Pace" is a classic piece of moto writing. Some of you seriously don't get it?

Melbs5150 · 09-10-2012, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tromatic

"The Pace" is a classic piece of moto writing. Some of you seriously don't get it?

Nope. Not at all. Please enlighten me with a 500 word essay on the subject.

Cyndy · 09-10-2012, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Tromatic

"The Pace" is a classic piece of moto writing. Some of you seriously don't get it?

I just try to do the pace of the person ahead of me...that way I don't have to think too much.

Tromatic · 09-10-2012, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Melbs5150

Nope. Not at all. Please enlighten me with a 500 word essay on the subject.

Fairly sure you're not being serious.

Having met you, I'm also sure that if Ienatsch can't make it clear, I'd have zero chance of doing so.

That people don't get this is beyond me, but then I guess I could be missing the in-crowd jokes.

THE PACE
The Pace focuses on bike control and de-emphasizes outright speed. Full-throttle acceleration and last minute braking aren't part of the program, effectively eliminating the two most common single-bike accident scenarios in sport riding. Cornering momentum is the name of the game, stressing strong, forceful inputs at the handlebar to place the bike correctly at the entrance of the turn and get it flicked in with little wasted time and distance. Since the throttle wasn't slammed open at the exit of the last corner, the next corner doesn't require much, if any, braking. It isn't uncommon to ride with our group and not see a brake light flash all morning.

mfrankpdx · 09-10-2012, 03:13 PM

I think the "no brakes" thing was taken a little too literally. The throttle works both ways obviously, and there's no reason to go 100 mph down the straits. Go down the straits at a reasonable speed, and you can usually set your corner speed by simply rolling off the throttle. Obviously, if there's a 10 mph downhill hairpin on a 55 mph country road, then use the fricken brakes! This thread got stupid, fast.


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09-10-2012, 02:08 PM	#72
Tromatic Railer Joined: Apr 2011 From: Portland I Ride: Yamaha Warrior	"The Pace" is about staying ahaead of the motorcycle. Back in the goodle' days, you could see Ienatsch and crew on Ortega hiway every now and then. Drama-free speed, on rails. People who are on famiiliar roads who can do "the pace" are hard to keep up with. Lack of drama is not a squidly value, I guess. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-10-2012, 02:15 PM	#73
Cyndy Superbiker Joined: Aug 2009 From: Chicagoland I Ride: 2010 RC8R; 2009 ZX6R; Percheron/Paint (equine variety)	So...... I'm not supposed to use my brakes? I'm so confused. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-10-2012, 02:43 PM	#76
Tromatic Railer Joined: Apr 2011 From: Portland I Ride: Yamaha Warrior	"The Pace" is a classic piece of moto writing. Some of you seriously don't get it? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-10-2012, 03:13 PM	#80
mfrankpdx Retired Joined: Jul 2007 From: Washington DC I Ride: Speed Triple	I think the "no brakes" thing was taken a little too literally. The throttle works both ways obviously, and there's no reason to go 100 mph down the straits. Go down the straits at a reasonable speed, and you can usually set your corner speed by simply rolling off the throttle. Obviously, if there's a 10 mph downhill hairpin on a 55 mph country road, then use the fricken brakes! This thread got stupid, fast. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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