Bad gas? Bike won't start ~ help! - Page 2

MarvTravis · 09-14-2012, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by mrwizard10

Then put the plugs back and and the highest octane fuel you can get and fire it up..let it idle for a while.

Bear in mind that higher octane gas has no more combustability than lower octane gas, (in fact, it has lower combustability). All higher octane gas does is reduce the probability of pre-ignition.

WaGigKPN · 09-14-2012, 10:44 AM

higher octane gas burns slower than lower octane gas. This allows it to have a more complete burn through the ignition stroke as well as keeping it from detonating before complete compression.

The concept is similar between black powder and modern gun powder.

Andy Capp · 09-14-2012, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Real Fast Travis

Doesn't sound like bad gas, sounds like good diesel.

yes!

Originally Posted by labmunky

....Oh and tell Em to next time speak up if she thinks something's amiss. She's obviously a bright and observant young lady. She shouldn't feel that it's not her place to question Mom. My daughter points out my (rare) screw-ups and I always thank her when she does. It helps reinforce her developing self-confidence

Wise words!

mrwizard10 · 09-14-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by SpinCycle

Maybe move to Oregon? Just a thought...

That won't work as a solution. After a couple of "color blind" incidents where gas was poured into diesel cars, most stations have both allows diesel owners to pump their own AND allowed riders to pump their own..do it all the time here..I guess there have been some spill and/or scratched tank issues in the past.

Chrishil54 · 09-14-2012, 01:14 PM

Drain the tank and as much of the fuel lines, carbs, etc. as possible and then fill it with gas. It may take a few tries (maybe a batter recharge) to catch.

Grankor · 09-14-2012, 01:56 PM

In Oregon, they make you pump your own gas on a motorcycle anyways...

The fuel system are relatively small on our bikes, so its not AS big a pain in the ass as a car.

That said, without knowing if you have fuel injection or carburation, drain the gas out of your bike, every bit you can, any way you can. If you cant, get it to a shop and have them do it.

With luck, a fresh tank of GOOD gas and you'll be good. If not, you may need to do a minor tuneup (plugs, injection/carb cleaner).

WaGigKPN · 09-14-2012, 02:10 PM

Once i put bar chain oil in the gas can and vice a versa in my chain saw...Just poured out said fluids and refilled appropriately...pulled and pulled and pulled till it finally started and has ran fine since...

MidwesterneRR · 09-14-2012, 02:18 PM

...or learn to smell the difference so this never happens again. They dont smell similar AT ALL, and you would have noticed if you had smelled diesel before.

SpinCycle · 09-14-2012, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by mrwizard10

That won't work as a solution. After a couple of "color blind" incidents where gas was poured into diesel cars, most stations have both allows diesel owners to pump their own AND allowed riders to pump their own..do it all the time here..I guess there have been some spill and/or scratched tank issues in the past.

..and you wonder why people don't hang out with scooter riders.

Originally Posted by Grankor

In Oregon, they make you pump your own gas on a motorcycle anyways...

In Oregon, they hand you the nozzle.. Between you, the gas station kid and a small child you should be able to figure it out!

dwh4784 · 09-14-2012, 03:25 PM

Check your glow plugs also.

RC51 · 09-14-2012, 03:27 PM

Sue the gas station. Obviously their fault. That Adidas guy should be able to reccomend one.

shelbyguy · 09-14-2012, 03:47 PM

ones red, ones blue, ones brown.

sort it out.

you need a man.

Desvio · 09-14-2012, 04:45 PM

Having owned a diesel, I am already programmed to pay attention to what fuel I am pumping. SECONDLY, never and I mean never doubt what the kid says, because if you do and you're wrong, THEY WILL OWN YOU........

RedKat600 · 09-14-2012, 04:49 PM

Drain the tank, drain the carbs if applicable. Fill with good gasoline. If it's FI, remove the plugs and turn it over a bit to clear out the diesel. Reinstall plugs and see what happens. The spark plugs will most likely require a good cleaning to get the diesel off of them too, so keep that in mind.

Real Fast Travis · 09-14-2012, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by dwh4784

check your glow plugs also.

nsrg500 · 09-14-2012, 10:50 PM

Well???
Did you get it fixed?
Might want to have a "Bad Ass" type guy fix it for ya?

Whitefire · 09-15-2012, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by nsrg500

Well???
Did you get it fixed?

Yes, it's fixed. This had happened Wednesday morning on the way to Mikefsu's funeral service. I was beating DragRacer to the punch of making a poll & giving me a hard time.

My daughter & I made it back to the house in time to change clothes, hop in the car, & make it to Bremerton for the service - a lil late, but still made it.

The bike, an 06gsxr6, made it's way to GixxerTek. I'd rather have him fix the bike (even if an 'easy' fix) than me to potentially mess it up more. He put me back on the road, w/out too much of a hard time.

karnagebusa · 09-15-2012, 10:32 AM

It may foul the fuel filter and fuel pump.Diesel has a difinate smell to it.Drain it, clean it run some sea foam thru it.It will smoke some probably and it may foul the plugs.

Real Fast Travis · 09-15-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Whitefire

Yes, it's fixed. This had happened Wednesday morning on the way to Mikefsu's funeral service. I was beating DragRacer to the punch of making a poll & giving me a hard time.

My daughter & I made it back to the house in time to change clothes, hop in the car, & make it to Bremerton for the service - a lil late, but still made it.

The bike, an 06gsxr6, made it's way to GixxerTek. I'd rather have him fix the bike (even if an 'easy' fix) than me to potentially mess it up more. He put me back on the road, w/out too much of a hard time.

What turned out to be the problem?

My bet is the kill switch was on.

Whitefire · 09-15-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Real Fast Travis

What turned out to be the problem?

My bet is the kill switch was on.

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NO ~ I did not hit the kill switch mid corner.

It was diesel. *hangs head* I will plead the 5th on any further revealing of my actions that day.

My daughter & I were on the side of the hwy on-ramp for an hour... & no one stopped, even riders... it was a sad sight. I'm very grateful that Miss Em & I got a ride back to my house in time to still make the funeral service.

I fessed up & expected more floggings from PNW people but you guys surprised me with being reasonable. If I took / had the time, I'm sure I could have figured how to do everything that was suggested. I know all the components mentioned but in theory is different than reality. With work, a teenager, an MBA class (finals week), & trying to find time for a "Bad Ass" man... that diesel would have sat in the bike for a couple weeks before I got around to it. I also have a fairly new expensive paint job that if I messed up the bike, that whole piece of the bike would have to be repainted, not merely touched up... & then I'd never live it down with my painter!

Wish I had a junker bike to tinker with that I didn't mind messing up but I won't try too much on my own with this bike. I wanted it done correctly & knew GixxerTek would get it done for me.

View Poll Results: Solutions?
Stop being like 2 Dizzy ~ self diagnosing & being incompetent will only screw the bike up more.	10	20.83%
Dump out bad gas & put fresh in. I'm a genius for thinking of it on my own.	27	56.25%
Raffle off the bike ~ I'm a disgrace to the motorcycling community.	8	16.67%
Move to Oregon & have others always pump my gas for me.	16	33.33%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll


09-14-2012, 10:44 AM	#22
WaGigKPN Peg Dragger Joined: Mar 2012 From: Gig Harbor, WA I Ride: 2002 Honda VFR800	higher octane gas burns slower than lower octane gas. This allows it to have a more complete burn through the ignition stroke as well as keeping it from detonating before complete compression. The concept is similar between black powder and modern gun powder. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-14-2012, 01:14 PM	#25
Chrishil54 Chicken Strips Joined: Jul 2009 From: Kirkland, Washington Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: Yamaha V-Star 1100 Custom	Drain the tank and as much of the fuel lines, carbs, etc. as possible and then fill it with gas. It may take a few tries (maybe a batter recharge) to catch. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-14-2012, 01:56 PM	#26
Grankor Endorsed Joined: Jun 2012 From: denial I Ride: All the way there and back	In Oregon, they make you pump your own gas on a motorcycle anyways... The fuel system are relatively small on our bikes, so its not AS big a pain in the ass as a car. That said, without knowing if you have fuel injection or carburation, drain the gas out of your bike, every bit you can, any way you can. If you cant, get it to a shop and have them do it. With luck, a fresh tank of GOOD gas and you'll be good. If not, you may need to do a minor tuneup (plugs, injection/carb cleaner). __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-14-2012, 02:10 PM	#27
WaGigKPN Peg Dragger Joined: Mar 2012 From: Gig Harbor, WA I Ride: 2002 Honda VFR800	Once i put bar chain oil in the gas can and vice a versa in my chain saw...Just poured out said fluids and refilled appropriately...pulled and pulled and pulled till it finally started and has ran fine since... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-14-2012, 02:18 PM	#28
MidwesterneRR Licensed Joined: Feb 2012 From: Lynnwood, WA I Ride: 1998 CBR900rr for the street and 2007 CBR600rr for the track	...or learn to smell the difference so this never happens again. They dont smell similar AT ALL, and you would have noticed if you had smelled diesel before. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-14-2012, 03:25 PM	#30
dwh4784 Peg Dragger Joined: Mar 2007 From: Spokane	Check your glow plugs also. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-14-2012, 03:27 PM	#31
RC51 Streetfighter Joined: Mar 2008 From: Kingston I Ride: the short bus ....... with your mom in the back.	Sue the gas station. Obviously their fault. That Adidas guy should be able to reccomend one. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-14-2012, 03:47 PM	#32
shelbyguy Picture Whore Joined: Apr 2008 From: lacey I Ride: Aprilia Factory, 525SMR, DRZ400sm, and a gaggle of others	ones red, ones blue, ones brown. sort it out. you need a man. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-14-2012, 04:45 PM	#33
Desvio Retired Joined: Mar 2008 From: SE Portland / Bucerias, Nayarit Mx I Ride: 03' CBR1100XX, 84 GL1200A	Having owned a diesel, I am already programmed to pay attention to what fuel I am pumping. SECONDLY, never and I mean never doubt what the kid says, because if you do and you're wrong, THEY WILL OWN YOU........ __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-14-2012, 04:49 PM	#34
RedKat600 Joined: May 2011 From: LaCenter, WA I Ride: 2003 Copper SV1K	Drain the tank, drain the carbs if applicable. Fill with good gasoline. If it's FI, remove the plugs and turn it over a bit to clear out the diesel. Reinstall plugs and see what happens. The spark plugs will most likely require a good cleaning to get the diesel off of them too, so keep that in mind. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-14-2012, 10:50 PM	#36
nsrg500 Shredder Joined: May 2011 From: Everett. WA I Ride: GS1150 Rat bike, NSR(G)500cc two stroke,CBR 900rr	Well??? Did you get it fixed? Might want to have a "Bad Ass" type guy fix it for ya? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-15-2012, 10:32 AM	#38
karnagebusa Licensed Joined: Jul 2011 From: Tumwater WA> I Ride: Busa, YZ250,RM250.YZ250F	It may foul the fuel filter and fuel pump.Diesel has a difinate smell to it.Drain it, clean it run some sea foam thru it.It will smoke some probably and it may foul the plugs. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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