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Suzuki Stevo 01-18-2014 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lena (Post 3079744)
But when I am in a turn lane already, especially when there are multiple turn lanes, or exit lanes, when there is steady flow of traffic turning - that's what I am asking about.

Obviously if your in a lane and there is a lane next to you, having a signal on in that situation would clearly make it look like you wanted to merge over...so No, not in that situation, you would just be confusing people at that point

RedKat600 01-18-2014 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lena (Post 3079744)
You are all saints then. Or maybe you misunderstood me. I use my turn signals when I need to signal changing lanes, all the other necessities. But when I am in a turn lane already, especially when there are multiple turn lanes, or exit lanes, when there is steady flow of traffic turning - that's what I am asking about. It would be illegal and dangerous for me to not turn, everyone is turning, everyone else can see we are all turning. But I guess it's just me and a small minority that's doesn't in this particular situation.

On a different note, I have to tell you that 95% people in the US don't know how to use turn signals at roundabouts. Need to learn from Europeans, where these things have been there for years. :roll:

1. The majority of the time you have to use your signal to enter the turning lane, so why turn it off early? I leave mine on too or signal when I'm in a turning lane. Not for me but for others.

2. Yeah, roundabouts here are a joke. I completely agree on the signal thing, although it's better on the east coast.

Gymbo 01-18-2014 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lena (Post 3079744)
You are all saints then. Or maybe you misunderstood me. I use my turn signals when I need to signal changing lanes, all the other necessities. But when I am in a turn lane already, especially when there are multiple turn lanes, or exit lanes, when there is steady flow of traffic turning - that's what I am asking about. It would be illegal and dangerous for me to not turn, everyone is turning, everyone else can see we are all turning. But I guess it's just me and a small minority that's doesn't in this particular situation.

On a different note, I have to tell you that 95% people in the US don't know how to use turn signals at roundabouts. Need to learn from Europeans, where these things have been there for years. :roll:

I think you are talking about the scenario I mentioned above...when your lane is an exit-only and you are staying in your lane of travel and the entire lane exits....I don't use a signal there either...because you are not changing lanes just following the lane you are in. I agree with you, that is a scenario where a signal is probably not necessary. But again, when in doubt, signal.

I will admit I have no idea the proper use of signals at a roundabout...fortunately, the only ones I've encountered were on a relatively lightly traveled road coming off Century Drive in Bend.

k4xbeemer 01-18-2014 11:40 PM

Like others have said, I try and use them every time I am preparing to change lanes, and as early as practical, and all the way through the wait time when I am at a stop waiting for a light or cross traffic thin before turning. It's a great habit that can save your life - and you don't need to wonder when that might be. Why try and second guess the other jerks?

My pet peeve is other riders/drivers who seem to act like the turn signal is the equipment that actually turns the vehicle. Like the ass that is sitting at a light and after I have driven/ridden up behind them only puts on the signal after the light changes. WTF !!! Or worse yet, doesn't turn it on at all and then sits there waiting for traffic to clear for them.

There are numerous freeway exit only lanes, and one close to my home that is more than two miles long. I do signal to move into it like any other lane change. I then turn the signal off, because I've made the only move I'm going to, and there are no other turns, period. That makes sense.

What the hell is with the LED turn signal remark about James? Get with the program. Half the cars and many of the bike now have LED signals approved by the DOT. Your home even needs to have them. Incandescents are the dinosaurs of yesterday. Don't turn this into your HID hate thread.

Mrmat25 01-19-2014 12:51 AM

How about a stop sign at a set railroad of railroad tracks, on a sunny day, with wide open fields, where you can see for miles; should you come to a complete stop?

If you don't want to risk a ticket you better.

Traffic laws are typically black and white, meaning your following them or your breaking them, no gray areas for interpretation. So when you are changing lanes or turning, your required to signal. One of the few defenses would be if you had to break the law because of a situation where following the law would put you in danger.

SkiPunk11 01-19-2014 01:57 AM

Like Lena said. I learned all my good habits from driving in Germany/Europe. They have the best driving laws yet!

And like Mrmat about "if no one is around..." My original post I stated I use my signals 100% of the time. While in an exit lane technically you are turning off a freeway/highway. So therefore you are turning.

Turn signals are for what you WANT to do. Not what you are doing. I hate seeing people turn on the signal to switch lanes, then turn them off if it is not clear for them to do so. And then turn it back on when it is clear. Sooooooo improper use!!!!

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Leminkainen 01-19-2014 02:00 AM

nevada
 
I got a ticket for not having a signal in a turn lane in a cage in. nevada a few years back

likhi 01-19-2014 03:22 PM

I always use them. I can be in the exit only lane on the interstate and I will signal that I'm getting off anyway. I think of it as a sign that "hey, driver behind me, this is the exit lane." 8)

ashfoot 01-19-2014 04:47 PM

Use it because I've seen drivers in the turn lane not have theirs on and they end up going straight :mad:censored:

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Locutus 01-19-2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jobin (Post 3079727)
It's to let others know what is going on and what you are doing, same as any other turn. Someone else ( a pedestrian getting ready to cross, a car turning in front of you, a bicyclist) may not know you are in a turn lane but your signals will tell them you are about to turn in their direction.
Also, there may be a hazard you are unaware of and your signals again, let other people know what you are doing in case you missed them.
Does it seem unnecessary sometimes? sure but that .001% chance you didn't see someone but they saw your signal, you will be glad you signaled. That's the way I try and look at it.

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Originally Posted by Suzuki Stevo (Post 3079738)
People don't see bikes anyway...anytime you can have a flashing light on one, I call that a winning situation :mfclap:

+1

The blinking light is a multiplier to visibility. See the light ... oh it's a turn signal ... he must be turning. Of course this presumes they are looking out their windows. That is why I always put both feet down ... one more indication I am stopped.

xrdotimcr 01-19-2014 07:51 PM

I do and I don't. Just depends on what is going around. Sometimes I ride like a dick, sometimes I'm really a polite guy. Such is life.

Runout 01-19-2014 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Suzuki Stevo (Post 3079738)
People don't see bikes anyway...anytime you can have a flashing light on one, I call that a winning situation :mfclap:

Bingo. Anything I can do to prevent a knucklehead from driving into me, I'll do it.

mfrankpdx 01-19-2014 11:18 PM

When I'm on the east coast I don't waste my time with turn signals. Everywhere else I use them.

Tromatic 01-20-2014 12:07 AM

Sort of a "muscle memory" thing. Use them all the time, and you, uh, use them all the time.

Worldtraveller 01-20-2014 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by lena (Post 3079744)
You are all saints then. Or maybe you misunderstood me. I use my turn signals when I need to signal changing lanes, all the other necessities. But when I am in a turn lane already, especially when there are multiple turn lanes, or exit lanes, when there is steady flow of traffic turning - that's what I am asking about. It would be illegal and dangerous for me to not turn, everyone is turning, everyone else can see we are all turning. But I guess it's just me and a small minority that's doesn't in this particular situation.

On a different note, I have to tell you that 95% people in the US don't know how to use turn signals at roundabouts. Need to learn from Europeans, where these things have been there for years. :roll:

I get what you're saying, but I'm one of those people who signal even when no one is around, or I'm pulling into my drive. It's a habit, and one I want to continually reinforce. I have no problem signaling/cancelling on the bike, either, and I use hand signals on my bicycle when there is traffic or pedestrians around.

I really enjoyed having my PC800 with its self cancelling signals, but I usually cancelled the turn signal before the bike did anyway.

Worldtraveller 01-20-2014 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mfrankpdx (Post 3080048)
When I'm on the east coast I don't waste my time with turn signals. Everywhere else I use them.

What part? I've found driving in the Northeast (Philly area) that if I signal to change lanes, people usually back off a bit to let me over.

That behavior is real hit or miss in the Puget Sound area, about half the time you get the territorial asswipes that take that as an indication to move up into the spot you were going to. Here in S Or, it's about 50/50 as well. It's amazing that it's usually the older, retired drivers that are the most territorial around here. I usually just move over anyway (in the cage) and make them back off. I'm a dick like that sometimes. :devil:

Transported 01-20-2014 08:25 AM

I use signals only when I think I need to indicate what I'm doing to another driver. If I'm on a desolate highway with no cars around, I won't use them at all. Why bother? Same with turn lanes. Same with driving late at night and nobody is around. If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around the hear it...

I especially hate it at night when you're in those turn lanes and the person in front of you has his or her signal on and it's flashing in your face for no good reason. Just turn the fucker off.

mfrankpdx 01-20-2014 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Worldtraveller (Post 3080082)
What part? I've found driving in the Northeast (Philly area) that if I signal to change lanes, people usually back off a bit to let me over.

Basically anywhere north of VA where there is traffic. I took a trip down the east coast from MD to GA, and everywhere south of MD the drivers are nicer.

nakedinseattle 01-20-2014 09:04 AM

i leave the signals on, because flashy lights tend to catch peoples attention better than not, and i don't wanna be run over. i'd far rather be the annoying asshole whose bright lights you notice than the dead lazy asshole who didn't use his signals.

Vegasrider 01-20-2014 09:15 AM

I wish they would get rid of the 3rd brake light on vehicles and make it a U-turn signal. Most vehicles on today's roads have excellent brake lights, many are LED's and are much more visible than the previous technology so it's really not necessary in my opinion.

You can be in a left hand turn lane, using your indicators and it's actually a false indication. The physical dynamics of making a U-turn is much different than actually conducting a standard left turn. You actually slow down at the point where the turn begins versus accelerating where the vehicle behind you might be assuming you're going to be turning left and expect you to accelerate rather than slowing down. They can easily rear end you. Sort of like brake checking.

I'm always worried that the vehicle behind me might rear end me on a U-turn where their is a left hand traffic signal so I like to do mine real quick and tight. Tight by turning into the nearest lane, because I can and most people making a right turn have a bad habit of swinging wide, using multiple lanes to turn which can create another conflict with U-turns, even though you have the right of way.


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