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Old 05-23-2007, 10:00 AM   #21
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In the presented scenario the "left" lane is clear so...

A) moving over is the courteous thing to do.
2) moving over is the safe thing to do. (passing on the right is inherently more dangerous.
VI) I usually move over in that particular scenario.

The HOV lane execution is inherently flawed no matter what side of the road you put it on, however it's practically useless when it's on the right side a la 520. It needs to be a dedicated section of freeway where it's separated from normal lanes of traffic.

Interestingly, the "HOV" lane becomes a "left" lane after 7:00pm; most people on the road don't realize this and just camp there doing 61mph.

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Old 05-23-2007, 10:59 AM   #22
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I'd move over.

But who are we kidding.. when the hell are you fools gonna let a cager pass you doing only 75mph?

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Old 05-23-2007, 11:54 AM   #23
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Interesting. I didn't realize what the legal take on it was. I'll have to stop bitching about folks camping in the lane now I guess.

That said, I have and will continue to move over. It just seems like the more courteous/safe thing to do.

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Old 05-23-2007, 11:56 AM   #24
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That said, I have and will continue to move over. It just seems like the more courteous/safe thing to do.

Yep. to that.


When it comes down to it, Car > Bike. Car wins that one. Better to help shape their perception that bike riders are courteous than become road pizza.

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Old 05-23-2007, 12:24 PM   #25
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If you are in the carpool lane. this is not a normal lane of traffic. the speeder must move to the fast lane to pass. the move right except to pass does not apply to the carpool lane. other wise you would be spending half of your commute slicing and dicing the fast lane. im doing the speed limit, you go around.

that's right. It's a carpool lane not a PASSING lane. I stay right where I am.

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Old 05-23-2007, 02:05 PM   #26
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law or not, it's the courteous thing to do. get out of the fockin way.



and it is the rule of the road. Someone comes up behind you, no matter what lane your in, move right and get your slow ass out of the way

If its reasonable to do so anyhow, which is the case in the original question

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Old 05-23-2007, 02:19 PM   #27
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and it is the rule of the road. Someone comes up behind you, no matter what lane your in, move right and get your slow ass out of the way

If its reasonable to do so anyhow, which is the case in the original question
Yeah what he^ said....Besides it's easier when the rabbit is in front of you!!

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Old 05-23-2007, 02:22 PM   #28
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i get out of the way i wouldnt want to be one of the same people i complain about when im stuck behind some slow ass

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Old 05-23-2007, 02:27 PM   #29
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Yeah what he^ said....Besides it's easier when the rabbit is in front of you!!




another big plus, let the faster d00d past, and you know you have your blocker

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Old 05-23-2007, 03:25 PM   #30
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we call those guys
Radar detectors,

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Old 05-23-2007, 03:35 PM   #31
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If the rest of the lanes are at a dead stop I'm staying in the HOV. If I'm following a car that's going slower than I am, I go around them when I can.

If it's the social thing to do the bus drivers are being very anti-social.

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Old 05-23-2007, 08:26 PM   #32
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Depends on if he starts riding my ass or not. Id move over if he was giving me room. But if he starts tailgating:
On the bike = Move over.
But if im in my cage and hes riding my ass f**k him. he can move around if hes in such a hurry. it wouldnt be the first time hes had to move around slower traffic that trip.

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Old 05-25-2007, 10:11 PM   #33
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I completely disagree with most of the posts on here so far
The HOV lane is not a passing lane. If the guy wants to pass you, he needs to move to the RIGHT in the PASSING lane to pass you. Just because the HOV lane is on the LEFT in this case still does not make it a passing lane.

Let's say there are three lanes on the freeway (no HOV lane) and you're in the middle lane. This same cager pulls up behind you and starts tailgating you. It's just the two of you on the road.

What do you do in this situation?

If the guy isn't going to pass you on the left, do you change over to the right lane to let him pass? The rules of traffic say that it is in your right to stay in that middle lane.

It's the same with the HOV lane. It is your right to stay there. If you want to pass somebody you move into the passing lane (usually to the left, except when the HOV lane is in the far left) and pass.

Now, I have to admit that because it may be your RIGHT to stay in the lane that doesn't mean it's the smartest thing to do. If the guy is an asshole you may just want to let him pass. Not everybody is going to understand how traffic is supposed to work.

Sometimes, especially when on your bike, you may want to fore go you're RIGHT, to live another day.

However, if the question is "Am I supposed to move to the left to let him pass?" The answer is no.

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Old 05-25-2007, 10:23 PM   #34
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I will move if it is open ahead of me but if I am in traffic and a cager is on my ass I'll drop a gear or two and slow down then speed up. They usually get the idea by then and stop tailgating.

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Old 05-25-2007, 11:32 PM   #35
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Does the same rule apply to the carpool lane, or should the cager exit the carpool lane and pass in the normal, left-most lane of traffic since it's open?
yes, you should yield to the faster traffic by moving over. it's the law. the reason for this is because passing on the right is inherently more dangerous as the blindspot is larger on the right than the left in most cars. the two safest lanes on the highway for bikes is the rightmost and leftmost lanes. if there's no traffic, why cut across to the leftmost/carpool lane? any excuse about merging onramp traffic against right lane use is petty, especially so if there's little traffic involved. lastly, by occupying the leftmost lane in times of sparse traffic, you risk someone "sneaking" up on you quickly and by the time you see them and try to move over to the right, they may already begin to try passing you on the right, creating a dangerous situation.

i tend to stay to the right unless i know i'll be slabbing for a long period of time in high traffic... because it's riskier to cross multiple lanes to enter and exit the highway in high traffic periods than it is to just stay in the right lane and allow merging traffic to go in and out. the former forces you to rely on others to see you. the latter puts you in more control.

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What about in California where there are designated entrances and exits to the carpool lane? Should the cager or the biker get out?
we're not in california.

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Old 05-27-2007, 10:29 AM   #36
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Law or not, get out of the way.

It's far safer because YOU are controlling the situation. You avoid the tailgate, and you control how traffic moves around you. It's not only courteous, you'll likely diffuse road rage.

Much better option than letting the guy in the F350 with a 36" raise go around something that he can't see and doesn't consider a threat to his body or property.

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Old 05-27-2007, 11:18 AM   #37
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I'm with you, now I wouldnt purposely be a d*ck to anyone, but if I am doing the speed limit and I just dont happen to be in a good mood that day, then kiss my a*s, go around me, and then you would be breaking the law by speeding anyway, not that I dont speed every single day of my driving life.
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If ya wanna go fast get in the fast lane...not the carpool lane. That's the law too.

Now, being on a bike I get out of teh way of tailgaters no matter which lane.

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Old 05-27-2007, 11:23 AM   #38
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The rule of the road is simple, someone comes up behind you going faster than you, you move right if it is reasonable... just that simple, quit being a dick and adding to the jackass driver pool, there are enough of those out there anyhow

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