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Old 08-17-2008, 10:30 AM   #241
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wow... I am really impressed at the ability to grind a subject that nobody here has any idea about into the ground ... beat it profusely, run over it a few times, pee on it twice, and then jump up and down on it.... I suppose because a cop is involved. We all know this is the first shooting that ever took place at sturgis

the only thing anyone can say factually, a cop from Seattle shot a HA. anything else is conjecture. but, carry on

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Old 08-18-2008, 07:04 AM   #242
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Could someone please pass the popcorn?

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Old 08-18-2008, 08:04 AM   #243
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wow...

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We all know this is the first shooting that ever took place at sturgis

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Um, well yeah - it IS the first shooting that has taken place at Sturgis in 18 years.

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Old 08-18-2008, 09:44 AM   #244
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Um, well yeah - it IS the first shooting that has taken place at Sturgis in 18 years.
I think thats 20 years, but who is counting

I also believe thats how you define where "Sturgis" is.

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Old 08-18-2008, 10:40 AM   #245
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If you'd been paying attention you'd know the cop submitted to alcohol and drug testing after the incident.



They did choose to test him, and he submitted. He admitted to drinking, but not being drunk. Again, if you can't even be bothered to keep up with the info available on the subject, why keep commenting on something you clearly don't know WTF you're talking about?
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Last I heard, the police had NOT tested him. Got a link to where they did? I have found nothing to that effect.
And "Drinking" would make his carrying illegal. Now wouldn't it?

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Old 08-18-2008, 11:04 AM   #246
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Pete
Last I heard, the police had NOT tested him. Got a link to where they did? I have found nothing to that effect.
And "Drinking" would make his carrying illegal. Now wouldn't it?
It was an article in the Seattle Times this weekend, I'll try to dig it up and linky.

EDIT: I found it..

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...urgis15m0.html

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Smith was briefly detained after the shooting and submitted to drug and alcohol tests after the fight. He testified before a Meade County grand jury on Sunday
Oh and for the clueless that still think he had no right to be carrying a weapon at the time...

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Meade County Sheriff Ron Merwin said that federal law ensures that Smith and other officers had the right to carry a firearm into the bar as long as they weren't intoxicated. Smith admits that he had been drinking but said he wasn't drunk.

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Old 08-23-2008, 01:44 PM   #247
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...turgis23m.html


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Old 08-23-2008, 02:37 PM   #248
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But policemen are never wrong and are always good guys......... just look at the posts in this thread and it will tell you so. I mean the HA deserved to be shot because of his affuiliation.........right?

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Old 08-23-2008, 07:04 PM   #249
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Did you notice this part?

"Smith's reference to Magnesi being "armed and dangerous" involved a 2003 arrest for assault in which Magnesi allegedly threatened three people with a handgun in downtown Seattle, firing a shot between the legs of one of the victims.

When Magnesi was arrested, police confiscated a handgun, a concealed-carry permit and Magnesi's Hells Angel jacket and patches his "colors," considered sacrosanct by members which were never returned, Bernstein says.

Bernstein says Magnesi believes that Smith has them, although Smith denies it on the recording. The detective says he wouldn't "want my hands on the filthy red and white."

By the time of the phone calls, the assault charges had been dropped because the witnesses refused to testify. One claimed he was contacted by a man thought to be Joshua Binder, the Nomads' onetime "enforcer" and a member of the "Filthy Few" Hells Angels who have killed for the club and told not to testify, according to court records.

No witness-intimidation charges were ever filed."

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Old 08-24-2008, 04:38 AM   #250
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Did you notice this part?

"Smith's reference to Magnesi being "armed and dangerous" involved a 2003 arrest for assault in which Magnesi allegedly threatened three people with a handgun in downtown Seattle, firing a shot between the legs of one of the victims.

When Magnesi was arrested, police confiscated a handgun, a concealed-carry permit and Magnesi's Hells Angel jacket and patches — his "colors," considered sacrosanct by members — which were never returned, Bernstein says.

Bernstein says Magnesi believes that Smith has them, although Smith denies it on the recording. The detective says he wouldn't "want my hands on the filthy red and white."

By the time of the phone calls, the assault charges had been dropped because the witnesses refused to testify. One claimed he was contacted by a man thought to be Joshua Binder, the Nomads' onetime "enforcer" and a member of the "Filthy Few" — Hells Angels who have killed for the club — and told not to testify, according to court records.

No witness-intimidation charges were ever filed."
Only two questions-
1. Was Mangnesi convicted of the alleged crime?
2. Was anyone convicted of witness intimidation charges?
No?
End of Story.

Smith however, has a documented history of harassment and conduct-

Once Smith figures out he's being recorded, he tells Magnesi that "playing on the telephone ... is a crime.

"Telling a police detective that you know where he works at is a bigger crime, OK? Being a member of the Hells Angels Outlaw motorcycle gang is even a bigger crime."

Smith has been disciplined twice by the department. In 2005, he was suspended for two days for conduct unbecoming an officer after taunting fans at a Seahawks football game. That same year, he had a verbal altercation with a restaurant employee.

In the first instance, he received two days off. The second incident resulted in a letter in his file.

Smith tells Magnesi that simply "being a member of the Hells Angels outlaw motorcycle gang is a ... crime."

The detective also boasts that he's a member of the biggest "gang" of all: "It's called law enforcement. You got it?"


I got it too-

Wrong is wrong-systemic prejudice and attempted murder in front of 500 witness in a bar at 1am is a crime in any sane person's book.


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Old 08-24-2008, 06:25 AM   #251
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Only two questions-
1. Was Mangnesi convicted of the alleged crime?
2. Was anyone convicted of witness intimidation charges?
No?
End of Story.

Smith however, has a documented history of harassment and conduct-
And again, no convictions. No conviction no crime, by your standards, right?

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Smith has been disciplined twice by the department. In 2005, he was suspended for two days for conduct unbecoming an officer after taunting fans at a Seahawks football game. That same year, he had a verbal altercation with a restaurant employee.
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Wrong is wrong-systemic prejudice and attempted murder in front of 500 witness in a bar at 1am is a crime in any sane person's book.
Agreed, on the bolded part. Are we going to set "was he convicted" as the standard for whether something bad happened? 'cause it sounds like that's where you're going.

I've got no beef with 1%ers and wouldn't want one. I've exchanged friendly "hey, we're both riders" waves with Bandidos and I'd check whether a rider needed help, whether they were wearing racing leathers, colors...or a badge.

On the other hand, a 1%er might jump right to a serious beatdown if I rode around wearing "Nerds on Bikes MC" colors, whereas a cop would probably just get a good laugh out of it. With cops (except for the rare rogue), if they enforce a law, it's because the law was enacted by representatives of the public: I've had opportunities to influence the laws that they want me to comply with. If I'm charged with violating those laws, ordinary people like me in a jury will decide my guilt/innocence. There's transparency if they're abusive to the public and eventually it catches up with them.

If outlaws don't care what I think, which I believe is part of their code, that's fine. Then why are their beefs with law enforcement being posted here?

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Old 08-24-2008, 02:20 PM   #252
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guess this guy is my buddys boss's next door neighbor, and hes married to a sno-ho sheriff from what Im told....... wonder how she feels about all this...

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Old 08-26-2008, 08:41 AM   #253
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And again, no convictions. No conviction no crime, by your standards, right?

Under the Constitution of the United States of America- Yes.

Agreed, on the bolded part. Are we going to set "was he convicted" as the standard for whether something bad happened? 'cause it sounds like that's where you're going.

Yes- for the reason in the first answer.

If outlaws don't care what I think, which I believe is part of their code, that's fine. Then why are their beefs with law enforcement being posted here?
They aren't- Law Enforcement has a very long documented history of profiling and harassment of Bikers 1% or not because of their institutional prejudiced training and propaganda.

The same is true of 1% clubs.

But there are everyday acts of kindness and peace between the two that go unreported because there's no controversy.

So, who's right? There doesn't have to be a "win or lose" in the discussion


The act of premeditated violence that started this thread brought out the opinions of all sides.


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Old 08-28-2008, 09:38 AM   #254
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Looks like the Grand Jury has made some decisions:

Charges have been filed, basically against all involved:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...turgis28m.html
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...sturgis29.html

Ronald Smith was charged with assault, perjury and carrying a concealed pistol without a permit. 4 other Iron Pigs were charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. The Hells Angels biker, Joseph McGuire, 33, of Imperial Beach, Calif., was charged with aggravated assault.

"Aggravated assault is punishable under South Dakota law by up to 15 years' imprisonment. Smith and McGuire also were charged in the alternative with misdemeanor assault, which would a give a jury another option should it decide to acquit on the more serious offense."

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Old 08-28-2008, 09:42 AM   #255
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So what of all those bazillion links posted about how off-duty cops can carry anytime, anywhere?

Maybe someone should email the link to this thread to grand jury, clearly they don't know the law.

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Old 08-28-2008, 09:47 AM   #256
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So what of all those bazillion links posted about how off-duty cops can carry anytime, anywhere?

Maybe someone should email the link to this thread to grand jury, clearly they don't know the law.
Because those bazillions of posts ignored one clause of the federal law:

``(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the
laws of any State that--
``(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or
restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property;


It doesn't override the state prohibition on carry in the bar.

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Old 08-28-2008, 09:47 AM   #257
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Sucks to be that dude... and the other cops!

i don't care what happens to the guy... Just bored at work

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Old 08-28-2008, 10:47 AM   #258
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Looks like the Grand Jury has made some decisions:

Charges have been filed, basically against all involved:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...turgis28m.html
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...sturgis29.html

Ronald Smith was charged with assault, perjury and carrying a concealed pistol without a permit. 4 other Iron Pigs were charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. The Hells Angels biker, Joseph McGuire, 33, of Imperial Beach, Calif., was charged with aggravated assault.

"Aggravated assault is punishable under South Dakota law by up to 15 years' imprisonment. Smith and McGuire also were charged in the alternative with misdemeanor assault, which would a give a jury another option should it decide to acquit on the more serious offense."
Thanks for the update!

I wonder if it will go to civil court?

Bullets entering the body change people's work ability and everyday life.

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Old 08-28-2008, 10:54 AM   #259
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Thanks for the update!

I wonder if it will go to civil court?

Bullets entering the body change people's work ability and everyday life.
I'm curious, how would one quantify loss of wages and potential income from illegal criminal activity?

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Old 08-28-2008, 11:01 AM   #260
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Judge, i was able to kill 5 men a week as an enforcer for the HA. After the incident i am only able to kill 2 weekly. I demand compensation, this man owes me bodies!

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