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Old 09-07-2012, 07:34 PM   #1
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I am in the market for a new car/truck, because I don't really want to use my bike as a commuter during the winter.

I am interested in this vehicle:




The only problem is that it has a rebuilt title and the owner sounds like he's a bit mental.

I am hoping that nothing is seriously wrong with the car and the owner is mental enough that he will reduce the asking price considerably.

This is where you come in. I am planning on driving down to Vancouver on Monday to look at this thing, but I need somebody there who can verify that it won't fall apart if I buy it.

I would rather take somebody with me, than drive it over to a mechanic.

Anyone want to help me out?

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Old 09-07-2012, 07:38 PM   #2
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There is also the option of taking it in for a used car inspection at a reputed shop. If the owner refuses to allow this, you know not to buy it. It might cost you $100 but it's better than buying a lemon.

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Old 09-07-2012, 08:12 PM   #3
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That's true.

He told me where he had it worked on. Maybe I'll give them a call.

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Old 09-07-2012, 08:21 PM   #4
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I'd start with getting the VIN and running a carfax report. If it's got a rebuilt title, there should be something on the carfax. That will give you an idea of what to look at and what kind of collusion it was in.

Finding a mechanic that can put the car up on a lift is always the best bet, but if you decide to inspect it yourself, don't get drawn in by the sexy good looks. Here is the checklist that Toyota uses for their Certified Used Cars: Click. It's a good place to start.

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Old 09-07-2012, 11:46 PM   #5
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if you dont mind but do you mind mentioning how much the idiot is selling it for?

....no muscle car should have dubs on it BTW

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Old 09-08-2012, 03:33 AM   #6
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I got him down to $18,500 before I knew it had a rebuilt title.

If everything checks out, I probably won't pay over $15-16,000.

Vehicles with rebuilt titles are difficult to sell and I don't want to get upside down on one.

However, I recall being able to get ride of a rebuilt title 3000GT I had many years ago fairly quickly.

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Old 09-08-2012, 06:18 AM   #7
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I would feel a bit off about it for the simple fact he was trying to sell it to you with out telling you that it was a rebuilt title. Seems a bit shady.

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Old 09-08-2012, 06:21 AM   #8
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Does he have a Russian accent?

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Old 09-08-2012, 08:02 AM   #9
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Run Away. Quickly. You're buying a bucket of problems, you just don't know it yet.

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Old 09-08-2012, 08:02 AM   #10
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I would feel a bit off about it for the simple fact he was trying to sell it to you with out telling you that it was a rebuilt title. Seems a bit shady.
He told me, but didn't write it on the Craigslist ad.

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Old 09-08-2012, 08:06 AM   #11
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Run Away. Quickly. You're buying a bucket of problems, you just don't know it yet.
Ugh...

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Old 09-08-2012, 08:12 AM   #12
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Keep looking, there are plenty of nice used cars out there without buying something this flaky.

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Old 09-08-2012, 08:27 AM   #13
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This is the cheapest one I have seen, but it's an automatic.

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Old 09-08-2012, 08:36 AM   #14
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Does he have a Russian accent?
There's a good reason for asking this...
Eastern Europeans have a propensity for buying totaled (or otherwise badly worn/damaged) late-model cars, and then repairing & selling them at a large profit. While there's nothing wrong with this, said Eastern Europeans are no better (or worse) than the average shade-tree mechanic, so it's a real crap-shoot as to whether or not repairs were made properly.

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Run Away. Quickly. You're buying a bucket of problems, you just don't know it yet.
While it may not be a bucket of problems, you won't know unless you have the car thoroughly inspected.
And I was of the impression that once a WA title is branded, it's that way for life...

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Old 09-08-2012, 08:37 AM   #15
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Be aggressive, lowball them, you can get them down to 19,000 if you try hard. You will need to show interest, but walk away when they won't budge. You might have to do this more than once. Act interested, but don't give in. You have the money, you have the upperhand.

Average mileage, average condition, the ad looks like they are having trouble moving it. the longer it sits, the worse it is for them. Plus cars like this are hard to move due to the gas mileage.

Find out where they got it, run the Carfax. If it's not a local trade, look elsewhere.

find the low book value and subtract a couple grand and you will have an idea of how much they gave the prev owner in trade or paid for it at auction.

Kevin D - Titles can be washed, it's not legal, but it happens. That's why you don't want to buy a car a dealer had bought from an auction.

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Old 09-08-2012, 08:46 AM   #16
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Honestly, if you're buying this car to commute during the winter, I would look for another car. Say a awd vehicle.

If you are set on getting a muscle, get another one and let this one go. It's your hard earn money, so get something that wasn't wrecked or stolen and rebuilt.

IF you're dead set on this particular one, don't go to where he fixed it. They might be buddies and you would get a 'false' answer as to what is wrong with it.
Carry a mechanic with you and have him inspect it thoroughly.

A used car with a rebuilt title almost cuts the value of the car in half.

My 1.5 cents. ( I'm broke )

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Old 09-08-2012, 08:48 AM   #17
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My bottom line;

Cars are a terrible investment. The worst. They only depreciate, and they suck dollars out of your wallet in the form of gas, oil, tires, other maintenance and insurance. You need to take some time and really examine why you need a car. You said "commuting" in your first post, yet the car you are looking at is not a commuter in any sense of the word. That car is a toy. Do you have the financial strength to be buying $15,000 toys? If so, then go for it.

I'm a Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Nissan Sentra, Mazda 3 type of guy. Boring? Yes. But I make up for it with guns, bicycles, cameras, motorcycles, computers, and snowboards which I can afford because I don't spend money on big gas guzzling behemoths that are worth less than half of what I paid when I'm ready for a new one. It's the boring cars that maintain their value over time. I've paid my dues to the auto industry when I was young, and I learned my lesson. Maybe you can learn from me too.

My .02

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Old 09-08-2012, 08:53 AM   #18
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Rebuilt title? Just walk away. Don't think you'll be able to get a loan for it. Probably more difficult to insure. And if you had that much cash laying around, there are much better deals to be had. Although the car looks hot, it's probably the worst "commuteer" car you could get

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Old 09-08-2012, 09:11 AM   #19
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Just my .02, if a vehicle has a "Branded" title. It has been through a catastrophic event. This could include, flooded, major accident like damaged while on test drive from dealership. Therefore they couldn't sell it as new. This does not necessary mean the vehicle is not worth purchasing, but "Buyer Beware." Another problem is that title will follow that vehicle till it's death, unless one can find a crooked licensing outlet. That has been done before, as I personally worked at two auto dealerships as a mechanic before getting into trucking. (they also rolled back the odometers upon taking delivery) Also like mentioned get the "Car Fax Report" their only around $35.00 (haven't gotten one lately) Tell the dude if you come down you want to see one. Personally I'd pass and like mentioned get an AWD vehicle. Those toy's don't do well in the icy sanded salted snowy roads we can have in the winter...AJ

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Old 09-08-2012, 09:15 AM   #20
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Dude, my aunt just picked up a brand new 2012 Challenger RT for $31k. Don't buy a used one for only a few grand less.

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