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BoricuaBusa · 07-01-2009, 07:13 PM

First, I have full permission from the father to write this, actually he wanted me too, because he hopes this don't happen again....to any of us.

Here it goes,,,

Remember the "Gamuru ride" on Monday evening? Well, when I got to the meet up place there were like 8 or 9 riders, a few seconds after we got the notice that Gamuru wasn't coming...so everyone said "lets go", someone voluntered for lead and another one for sweep, and we went on our way to Hag Lake. We did a loop around Hag lake and stoped at the regular place. I reminded a few of the newbies not to pass on the right and keep an eye on the person behind you.
Eveyone decided to do another loop, but Vinex and my self wanted to go counterclockwise....the rest of the group went clockwise, at that point I remember seen MARSHALL leaving with the big group. We all went arond it and met again at the entrance.

A few seconds later we all left... the group got devided but came together again almost 40 minutes after. Then we all went to Buffalo Wild Wing in Hillsboro, ate some wings, had some fun, then we all went home....Full and safe... BUT WAIT, DID WE???

That was Monday evening, yesterday (Tuesday) while at coffee night, Matt (Ninja Matt) approched me and ask me, Do you know what happened yesterday? I was like, yup, we had a lot of fun....He said, NO, MARSHALL CRASHED AND WAS LEFT BEHIND.... I was like whattttttttttt????????? The whole time I thought it had to be when the group splited at 47... BUT MAN I WAS WRONG>>>>>

I just came back from the hospital, from seen Marshall and his dad, and finaly found out what exactly happened.

When everyone decided to do a second loop around Hag lake, Marshall got passed by the riders behind him, so he was the last one of that group.... right after the boat landing, after Nelson st, there is a right turn, Marshall went straight (unknow reason right now), hit the guard rail, then a big tree, and went down the ditch/hill.

For 40 MINUTES he was yelling & screaming for help (BROKEN FEMUR & HIP)....After 40 minutes some how he crawled the hill and waived a passing car....
Emergency arrived, and he was MEDI-VAC (helicopter) to Emanuel Hopital....
He still in bad conditions.... Although he can't barely talk, in a week he should be getting better.

HOW THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN??? HOW NONE ONE MISSED HIM????

Do we have one or two people to blame???? Like his dad told me, NO. We can not balme the leader, sweeper or whoever....because IS ALL OF US FAULT. WE ALL FAILED. We failed to look in our mirrors, we failed to do a "head count", we failed to make sure every one was there after the second loop. For christ sake, we even failed to see that he was not in Buffalo Wild Wings with us....

A messege from his dad, and I qoute: "I am a rider as well, and I've been riding for 40 years, so I do know that my son was riding over his head, and that's why he crashed, but there is no reason a person should be laying down hurt at the bottom of a hill, screaming for 40 minutes. Please guys, be-careful, use this as an example of the importance of team work, and don't let it happen again"

To make the matter worse, some clown of the Glaston Fire Dept, posted the video in Youtube.....Which his dad discover yesterday. Actions are been taken against the Fire Dept for such a direspectful act. They already know who posted it.
His dad wanted me to post it here....so evey one see, this was no joke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhjp-MbLcz0

Fianally, his dad dont want a "Blaming game" now....he will read this, so lets not start blaming or judging.....we all know is all of us fault, and the things that could have prevented this. BE SAFE.

To Marshall,

Once again We all apologize for leaving you behind, get better soon, and I'm sure there will be many of us willing to help you, or your dad if need it.

Shrek X · 07-01-2009, 07:22 PM

not going to comment on the cluster that obviously took place, or to share my opinion of it.... but just curious whats wrong with the vid of some fine fire / rescue people doing their job.

and of course to wish the rider a good, fast recovery

ninjarider · 07-01-2009, 07:26 PM

very good post Neil. Thanks for stopping by the hospital today. It was a surprise to see you there. but glad you came. I'm sorry this had to happen guys. Marshall is a real good friend of mine, been friends for over 8 years now. He's a strong guy and the doctors say he'll recover so lets all pray for him and hope for the best and a speedy recovery.

dscott3509 · 07-01-2009, 07:26 PM

Neil, and Marshall's dad, thank you for this explanation. I'm a new rider, and honestly nervous about group rides. I have been riding with a couple of people I trust, and have loved it. I do want to get into a couple of the beginner group rides. I have held back because of my fears that I would hold back more experienced riders and feel pressured to rider over my head so I could feel like I wasn't ruining their fun. (But, honestly, I would probably make them more nervous because I am over my head. Weird dichotomy.)

Hope to be able to make it to CPK tomorrow night.

And Marshall, get well.

Gusgus · 07-01-2009, 07:29 PM

It is a thing which happens when we fail our simplest of riding rules.

If we have to,,,,, we Carry out, who we rode in with.

I am pleased to read this as an "as it happened" story. Without blame, without cause, a simple we are friends and we failed him.

How sad and how positive all the same......

Thanks and my regards to him.

Sentor · 07-01-2009, 07:41 PM

Blah blah blah. So much fuckin' talk. I know what I'm going to do differently, that's what matters here.

When push comes to shove, it's people like Clay who actually do something at the beginning of a ride that makes good stuff happen, not the "we should do this, should do that."

We'll see who steps up to the plate.

Brady · 07-01-2009, 07:42 PM

Glad Marshal came through and is recovering well. The entire situation was just a mess and gave me some of the worst gut feelings a person could possibly have.

This is not something where figures will be point, and if they are it should be at all of us who were along on the ride as atleast one of us should have know. There is a number of us that are feeling it right now, but Marshals a trooper and will pull through without a doubt.

There are so many things to be considering, not passing, keeping an experienced sweep, counting riders, riding in your own ability, not playing catch up if the group pulls away, and the list goes on.

Its a horrible event that took place but its happened. Best we can do now is evaluate the actions and events and learn the lesson the hard way, push on and support Marshal and his family in the recovery process for him.

Both Marshal and his Dad are great, kinda people and I hope them as well as the mother pull through this in good heart and clear minds.

JTR · 07-01-2009, 07:50 PM

damn!

poor guy, hopes the best in his situation

ninjarider · 07-01-2009, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

but just curious whats wrong with the vid of some fine fire / rescue people doing their job.

crank the volume and listen at about 14 seconds on to about 23ish seconds. what's that sound like to you?

Brady · 07-01-2009, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by dscott3509

Neil, and Marshall's dad, thank you for this explanation. I'm a new rider, and honestly nervous about group rides. I have been riding with a couple of people I trust, and have loved it. I do want to get into a couple of the beginner group rides. I have held back because of my fears that I would hold back more experienced riders and feel pressured to rider over my head so I could feel like I wasn't ruining their fun. (But, honestly, I would probably make them more nervous because I am over my head. Weird dichotomy.)

Hope to be able to make it to CPK tomorrow night.

And Marshall, get well.

On group rides no matter your skill level you cant keep "I feel like im holding others up" In your head. That can easily make you feel like you gotta ride fast so your not 'holding up' the people behind you, OR if people pull away you get the feeling like you need to catch up to them. Those too things there will cause you to ride out of your ability and something to go wrong. Its happened so many times.

Best thing you can do, no matter who you ride with, or the amount of people your riding with is ride for YOU...Dont worry about whos behind you, and dont worry about how far up the people in front of you go. Ride at your pace, keep yourself comfortable, slow and a reasonable pace for your experience level.

dscott3509 · 07-01-2009, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Brady

On group rides no matter your skill level you cant keep "I feel like im holding others up" In your head. That can easily make you feel like you gotta ride fast so your not 'holding up' the people behind you, OR if people pull away you get the feeling like you need to catch up to them. Those too things there will cause you to ride out of your ability and something to go wrong. Its happened so many times.

Best thing you can do, no matter who you ride with, or the amount of people your riding with is ride for YOU...Dont worry about whos behind you, and dont worry about how far up the people in front of you go. Ride at your pace, keep yourself comfortable, slow and a reasonable pace for your experience level.

And that is why I have avoided group rides (with the exception of a Doc Wong group C ride). I don't fully trust myself to not push myself too much.
I have ridden with a couple of other people and feel lucky they are willing to ride with a newbie. But, they knew what to expect, and I am extremely appreciative of their patience and advice. I just broke 1000 miles today, and am looking forward to thousands of more miles.

XcaptainXbloodX · 07-01-2009, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by ninjarider

crank the volume and listen at about 14 seconds on to about 23ish seconds. what's that sound like to you?

I cant hear, what is it?

get well soon rider, im sorry this happened for everyone involved but if nothing else it serves as a good reminder as to why we do newbie group rides and why you need to do a pre-ride discussion. we ride at the slowest riders ability and we watch each other.

Brady · 07-01-2009, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by XcaptainXbloodX

I cant hear, what is it?

As the paramedics are helping Marshal you can hear him screaming in pain

TheFactor · 07-01-2009, 08:22 PM

First of all my best wishes for a quick recovery go out to Marshal and my deepest apologies because I was there in that group ride that day. I was in the front half of the pack but regardless I was there and feel horrible about what happen. This really makes you take a step back and wonder is it really worth it ? A similar situation could of happen to anyone of us no matter what experience level your at , blind turns, other vehicles, animals and gravel/oil or water on the road . This really makes the track more appealing to me then the streets even for just a little faster then moderate pace . Well again my appoligies and best wishes to marhsal and his familiy .

Brady · 07-01-2009, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by dscott3509

And that is why I have avoided group rides (with the exception of a Doc Wong group C ride). I don't fully trust myself to not push myself too much.
I have ridden with a couple of other people and feel lucky they are willing to ride with a newbie. But, they knew what to expect, and I am extremely appreciative of their patience and advice. I just broke 1000 miles today, and am looking forward to thousands of more miles.

and that is great self control to have. Realize your abilities and your areas where you lack and address them. Alot of people will just get too excited in riding and try and go on all rides they can which will landed them in those senerios. Thats good of you to realize that and step back and pace it slower and safer!

Gusgus · 07-01-2009, 08:24 PM

That was painful to hear.

whew this sucks so much, I feel for you all.

BoricuaBusa · 07-01-2009, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by TheFactor

This really makes you take a step back and wonder is it really worth it ? A similar situation could of happen to anyone of us no matter what experience level your at , blind turns, other vehicles, animals and gravel/oil or water on the road.

While I understand your point Ed, lets make something clear....IT IS NOT our fault that he crashed, Marshall knows that, and his dad knows that. Ride over your head, and samething will happen. This will not be the last crash this season either. What is up to us, is what happens after the crash, and how fast we can get help. To be there for the rider, and never leave some one behind.

Matt (Sentor) has posted an idea to improve this things....and I think it'll be great.

Edit: The point in this post is NOT the crash, neither how you should ride your bike, but THE RESPONSABILITIES IN A GROUP RIDE.

dscott3509 · 07-01-2009, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Brady

and that is great self control to have. Realize your abilities and your areas where you lack and address them. Alot of people will just get too excited in riding and try and go on all rides they can which will landed them in those senerios. Thats good of you to realize that and step back and pace it slower and safer!

I think that's partly a benefit of being a bit older (38 ), and someone that isn't too competitive. Yes, I want to do my best, but I learned a long time ago that there is always someone better than me, and how to back off to not hurt myself. (I saw a friend become paralyzed when he didn't back off in a boat.)

There is also a difference between a group vs. riding with 1 or 2 others. When there is a group, there can be a disconnect between riding with just a couple of riders. I know that as I led a friend of mine, who is a very experienced rider would could outride me on a Big Wheel, I was constantly checking my mirrors to make sure he was in view. When I ride with another friend who has led me, also one that can outride me on a Big Wheel, he is gauging his speed based on my location on his mirrors.

At some point I will start with the groups, likely with Lee's Thursday ride or a mentor/mentee ride, but I'm just not ready for it yet. Soon, though.

Saki.Girl · 07-01-2009, 08:37 PM

Marshal i wish you a speedy recovery

ninjarider · 07-01-2009, 08:40 PM

as far as visiting goes I'm not sure if they want anyone really going and visiting. I'll give Marshalls dad a call and find out when I get the chance. When I was there today Marshall was in and out of sleep from all the meds.

BLawruk · 07-01-2009, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by dscott3509

Neil, and Marshall's dad, thank you for this explanation. I'm a new rider, and honestly nervous about group rides. I have been riding with a couple of people I trust, and have loved it. I do want to get into a couple of the beginner group rides. I have held back because of my fears that I would hold back more experienced riders and feel pressured to rider over my head so I could feel like I wasn't ruining their fun. (But, honestly, I would probably make them more nervous because I am over my head. Weird dichotomy.)

Hope to be able to make it to CPK tomorrow night.

And Marshall, get well.

Same thing here - I like riding with groups, but I also have the same mentality re: don't want to hold back experienced riders but also feel pressured to ride beyond what i'm used to.

I don't know anyone here but Marshal - get well soon buddy!!!!

trunkmonkey · 07-01-2009, 09:11 PM

Marshal, best wishes bud.

TheFactor · 07-01-2009, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by BoricuaBusa

While I understand your point Ed, lets make something clear....IT IS NOT our fault that he crashed, Marshall knows that, and his dad knows that. Ride over your head, and samething will happen. This will not be the last crash this season either. What is up to us, is what happens after the crash, and how fast we can get help. To be there for the rider, and never leave some one behind.

Matt (Sentor) has posted an idea to improve this things....and I think it'll be great.

Edit: The point in this post is NOT the crash, neither how you should ride your bike, but THE RESPONSABILITIES IN A GROUP RIDE.

I understand Neil and thats what I feel horrible about is that Marshal being left and unnoticed .

2manytoys · 07-01-2009, 09:42 PM

Heal fast Marshal.

Shrek X · 07-01-2009, 10:18 PM

could be many things, including the kid that got hurt... still dont see the problem, so what if the kid was on the tape in the very distant background in pain.

anyhow, hope the kid is doing good

Originally Posted by ninjarider

crank the volume and listen at about 14 seconds on to about 23ish seconds. what's that sound like to you?

ddonacazx12 · 07-01-2009, 10:36 PM

Glad to hear he is going to recover.

Glad Neil had the courage to post it like it is... and accept responsibility of what should have been done different.

(imho... and this isn't directed at anybody, just thinking out loud)

If you choose to go on a group ride, then you choose to accept the rules / responsibilities which that particular group / group leader / fellow riders / whatever, expect of you.

If you are unable or unwilling to abide by that, then perhaps you shouldn't group ride....

TMMR · 07-01-2009, 10:41 PM

MArshall -- we wish you the best in your recovery.

FZ6Rider · 07-01-2009, 10:59 PM

Heal up Marshall.

Sad story - lets all ride safer
Thanks Neil

Transported · 07-01-2009, 11:02 PM

So sorry, Marshal. Good will come of this. A cautionary tale for the rest of us.

raceface · 07-01-2009, 11:08 PM

First off, a get well to Marshall.

To make the matter worse, some clown of the Glaston Fire Dept, posted the video in Youtube.....Which his dad discover yesterday. Actions are been taken against the Fire Dept for such a direspectful act. They already know who posted it.
His dad wanted me to post it here....so evey one see, this was no joke.

What? Really? Tell me your joking.

mianus · 07-01-2009, 11:51 PM

I'm failing to see how the fd did anything wrong. Documenting responses is pretty common practice now.

05viffer · 07-02-2009, 12:12 AM

get well soon marshall

yellowpens · 07-02-2009, 12:14 AM

It made me sick watching this. :/ Marshal... get better SOON. Let us know if he wants visitors or cookies or something because Ill be there in a second.

BoricuaBusa · 07-02-2009, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by raceface

First off, a get well to Marshall.

What? Really? Tell me your joking.

IMO, they didn'd do anything wrong....that came from his dad, I can understand as a father how that could affect you. (you tube part) and I respect his feelings.

MCA8690 · 07-02-2009, 12:20 AM

Please tell me this isn't the kid with the FZ6?

....could someone remind me what his screen name is here? and what he rides?

yellowpens · 07-02-2009, 12:20 AM

marshman.. fz6.

MCA8690 · 07-02-2009, 12:48 AM

jesus christ, I feel so sick to my stomach right now....
I just realized he's the guy I was talking to about 10 days back, when he stopped by MotoCorsa with his dad and mom. I remember they were both such enthusiastic riders, and even though we're (myself and Marshall) the same age, I definitely "saw myself" in him as we talked bikes; it seems like yesterday I was on my 1st bike, hanging around bike shops, wanting so bad to soak it all up and develop as a rider.

I have to apologize for not recalling your name, Marshall's dad, but I'm Michael and I'm sure you'll remember me chatting your ear off when you guys stopped by.

I want to say, to you both, that you both stuck in my mind as two of the most genuine, and friendly people I have come across in some time. Not as "riders," but simply as people.

I don't really feel right saying much more, seeing as I wasn't there and have no firsthand knowledge of the situation, but I want to wish you both the best from the bottom of my heart. I know you may be hearing "If there's anything i/we can do..." a lot; please know that it's genuine and sincere when I offer the same.

Best wishes to you, Marshall, and to your parents. Whether this situation is viewed as blame-less or not, you deserve better than to have been left.

Sincerly,
Michael A

Sentor · 07-02-2009, 01:10 AM

Yeah, you weren't there Mike. Thanks for beating around the bush though.

pv2 · 07-02-2009, 01:57 AM

Marshall get well soon. Very Happy we are not hearing RIP.

My apoligies for not being with you all on the ride, I really like our rides and for the ones I have been, on we have not had issues

We all need to be very cold and analytical on this going forward and if it takes someone going down to bring uniformity to these rides then great.

Some issues are when someone posts a ride, and who is coming along, this is certainly the greatest danger as a lot of unknowns suddenly arise.

E.G, If it is an organized Tuesday Ride, a Wednesday Ride, or a Posted Big Weekend Ride, that is easier to control even when it is biggie.

I feel moving forward we will have a more uniform approach to rides.

Again, these quicky rides, rider beware and I don't think Nooby Riders - unless there is a senior rider who will stay glued on them and help the newbie with their riding- should be there.

Again Get Well Marshall, and if I dare say, you can have some consolation in knowing you brought some smelling salts and a new path forward every rider who partakes in these rides.

BR,

pv2

Mr. P · 07-02-2009, 02:16 AM

Speedy recovery Marshall


07-01-2009, 07:22 PM	#2
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	not going to comment on the cluster that obviously took place, or to share my opinion of it.... but just curious whats wrong with the vid of some fine fire / rescue people doing their job. and of course to wish the rider a good, fast recovery __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 07:26 PM	#3
ninjarider Superbiker Joined: Oct 2008 From: Hillsboro I Ride: a green one	very good post Neil. Thanks for stopping by the hospital today. It was a surprise to see you there. but glad you came. I'm sorry this had to happen guys. Marshall is a real good friend of mine, been friends for over 8 years now. He's a strong guy and the doctors say he'll recover so lets all pray for him and hope for the best and a speedy recovery. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 07:26 PM	#4
dscott3509 Pit Crew Joined: Aug 2008 From: Milwaukie I Ride: Triumph Bonneville	Neil, and Marshall's dad, thank you for this explanation. I'm a new rider, and honestly nervous about group rides. I have been riding with a couple of people I trust, and have loved it. I do want to get into a couple of the beginner group rides. I have held back because of my fears that I would hold back more experienced riders and feel pressured to rider over my head so I could feel like I wasn't ruining their fun. (But, honestly, I would probably make them more nervous because I am over my head. Weird dichotomy.) Hope to be able to make it to CPK tomorrow night. And Marshall, get well. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 07:29 PM	#5
Gusgus MotoGP Champion Joined: Dec 2008 From: VanHooter, Wa Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: Valkyrie/R1150GS Adventure	His father is right. It is a thing which happens when we fail our simplest of riding rules. If we have to,,,,, we Carry out, who we rode in with. I am pleased to read this as an "as it happened" story. Without blame, without cause, a simple we are friends and we failed him. How sad and how positive all the same...... Thanks and my regards to him. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 07:41 PM	#6
Sentor Zone Head Joined: Feb 2006 From: Bend, OR I Ride: 2004 Yamaha R1	Blah blah blah. So much fuckin' talk. I know what I'm going to do differently, that's what matters here. When push comes to shove, it's people like Clay who actually do something at the beginning of a ride that makes good stuff happen, not the "we should do this, should do that." We'll see who steps up to the plate. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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07-01-2009, 07:42 PM	#7
Brady MotoGP Contender Joined: Jul 2008 From: Hillsboro, Oregon I Ride: like the wind bullseye	Glad Marshal came through and is recovering well. The entire situation was just a mess and gave me some of the worst gut feelings a person could possibly have. This is not something where figures will be point, and if they are it should be at all of us who were along on the ride as atleast one of us should have know. There is a number of us that are feeling it right now, but Marshals a trooper and will pull through without a doubt. There are so many things to be considering, not passing, keeping an experienced sweep, counting riders, riding in your own ability, not playing catch up if the group pulls away, and the list goes on. Its a horrible event that took place but its happened. Best we can do now is evaluate the actions and events and learn the lesson the hard way, push on and support Marshal and his family in the recovery process for him. Both Marshal and his Dad are great, kinda people and I hope them as well as the mother pull through this in good heart and clear minds. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 07:50 PM	#8
JTR MotoGP Contender Joined: Feb 2006 From: the bat cave, on the PC! I Ride: stuff	damn! poor guy, hopes the best in his situation __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 08:22 PM	#14
TheFactor Superbiker Joined: Jul 2008 From: Hilllsboro,Or Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: 2006 CBR 1000 rr	First of all my best wishes for a quick recovery go out to Marshal and my deepest apologies because I was there in that group ride that day. I was in the front half of the pack but regardless I was there and feel horrible about what happen. This really makes you take a step back and wonder is it really worth it ? A similar situation could of happen to anyone of us no matter what experience level your at , blind turns, other vehicles, animals and gravel/oil or water on the road . This really makes the track more appealing to me then the streets even for just a little faster then moderate pace . Well again my appoligies and best wishes to marhsal and his familiy . __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 08:24 PM	#16
Gusgus MotoGP Champion Joined: Dec 2008 From: VanHooter, Wa Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: Valkyrie/R1150GS Adventure	That was painful to hear. whew this sucks so much, I feel for you all. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 08:37 PM	#19
Saki.Girl Zone Head Joined: May 2007 From: Hillsboro OR Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: 2006 Ninja 650R	Marshal i wish you a speedy recovery __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 08:40 PM	#20
ninjarider Superbiker Joined: Oct 2008 From: Hillsboro I Ride: a green one	as far as visiting goes I'm not sure if they want anyone really going and visiting. I'll give Marshalls dad a call and find out when I get the chance. When I was there today Marshall was in and out of sleep from all the meds. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 09:11 PM	#22
trunkmonkey WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Jan 2008 From: Beaverton, Oregon I Ride: SV650s	Marshal, best wishes bud. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 09:42 PM	#24
2manytoys Endorsed Joined: Aug 2008 From: Beaverton I Ride: all over the road.	Heal fast Marshal. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 10:36 PM	#26
ddonacazx12 MotoGP Contender Joined: Jul 2007 From: Camas, Washington I Ride: 05 zx12r	Glad to hear he is going to recover. Glad Neil had the courage to post it like it is... and accept responsibility of what should have been done different. (imho... and this isn't directed at anybody, just thinking out loud) If you choose to go on a group ride, then you choose to accept the rules / responsibilities which that particular group / group leader / fellow riders / whatever, expect of you. If you are unable or unwilling to abide by that, then perhaps you shouldn't group ride.... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 10:41 PM	#27
TMMR WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Aug 2008 From: Vancouver Washington I Ride: broken ones	MArshall -- we wish you the best in your recovery. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 10:59 PM	#28
FZ6Rider Streetfighter Joined: Aug 2008 From: Woodburn, OR I Ride: wrecked bikes!	Heal up Marshall. Sad story - lets all ride safer Thanks Neil __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 11:02 PM	#29
Transported MotoGP Champion Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland, Oregon Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: '99 R1, '80 Suz GS450S	So sorry, Marshal. Good will come of this. A cautionary tale for the rest of us. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-01-2009, 11:51 PM	#31
mianus Endorsed Joined: Sep 2006 From: pdx	I'm failing to see how the fd did anything wrong. Documenting responses is pretty common practice now. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 12:12 AM	#32
05viffer Endorsed Joined: Mar 2009 From: tigard oregon I Ride: 05 vfr	get well soon marshall __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 12:14 AM	#33
yellowpens Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: Tigard, OR I Ride: '96 Kawi Ninja ZX6-R	It made me sick watching this. :/ Marshal... get better SOON. Let us know if he wants visitors or cookies or something because Ill be there in a second. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 12:20 AM	#35
MCA8690 McLovin' Joined: Sep 2007 From: PDX.....Tempe? I Ride: faster than Djoplin riding 1-up	Please tell me this isn't the kid with the FZ6? ....could someone remind me what his screen name is here? and what he rides? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 12:20 AM	#36
yellowpens Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: Tigard, OR I Ride: '96 Kawi Ninja ZX6-R	marshman.. fz6. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 12:48 AM	#37
MCA8690 McLovin' Joined: Sep 2007 From: PDX.....Tempe? I Ride: faster than Djoplin riding 1-up	jesus christ, I feel so sick to my stomach right now.... I just realized he's the guy I was talking to about 10 days back, when he stopped by MotoCorsa with his dad and mom. I remember they were both such enthusiastic riders, and even though we're (myself and Marshall) the same age, I definitely "saw myself" in him as we talked bikes; it seems like yesterday I was on my 1st bike, hanging around bike shops, wanting so bad to soak it all up and develop as a rider. I have to apologize for not recalling your name, Marshall's dad, but I'm Michael and I'm sure you'll remember me chatting your ear off when you guys stopped by. I want to say, to you both, that you both stuck in my mind as two of the most genuine, and friendly people I have come across in some time. Not as "riders," but simply as people. I don't really feel right saying much more, seeing as I wasn't there and have no firsthand knowledge of the situation, but I want to wish you both the best from the bottom of my heart. I know you may be hearing "If there's anything i/we can do..." a lot; please know that it's genuine and sincere when I offer the same. Best wishes to you, Marshall, and to your parents. Whether this situation is viewed as blame-less or not, you deserve better than to have been left. Sincerly, Michael A __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by MCA8690; 07-02-2009 at 12:50 AM..


07-02-2009, 01:10 AM	#38
Sentor Zone Head Joined: Feb 2006 From: Bend, OR I Ride: 2004 Yamaha R1	Yeah, you weren't there Mike. Thanks for beating around the bush though. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 01:57 AM	#39
pv2 WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Jun 2008 From: Portland, Oregon I Ride: 03 RC51 SP-2	Marshall get well soon. Very Happy we are not hearing RIP. My apoligies for not being with you all on the ride, I really like our rides and for the ones I have been, on we have not had issues We all need to be very cold and analytical on this going forward and if it takes someone going down to bring uniformity to these rides then great. Some issues are when someone posts a ride, and who is coming along, this is certainly the greatest danger as a lot of unknowns suddenly arise. E.G, If it is an organized Tuesday Ride, a Wednesday Ride, or a Posted Big Weekend Ride, that is easier to control even when it is biggie. I feel moving forward we will have a more uniform approach to rides. Again, these quicky rides, rider beware and I don't think Nooby Riders - unless there is a senior rider who will stay glued on them and help the newbie with their riding- should be there. Again Get Well Marshall, and if I dare say, you can have some consolation in knowing you brought some smelling salts and a new path forward every rider who partakes in these rides. BR, pv2 __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 02:16 AM	#40
Mr. P WMRRA Qualifier Joined: May 2007 From: Vancouver, WA I Ride: sweep	Speedy recovery Marshall __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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