PNW Riders

SpeedGeek · 07-02-2009, 04:24 PM

Mr P is serving it up.....

motostunter · 07-02-2009, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. P

Because of the "stench of love" that's been in the PNW air lately... I've been tempted to fulfill your request

***much love much love***

Touche joe, touche!

Sentor · 07-02-2009, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by lena

Paging Sentor! It would be nice to put a date to this so maybe we could be done blowing this out of proportions again? Pretty please?

I don't think the intention was to limit it to only the ones present on the ride, right, Sentor?

Sorry, I work 10 hours shifts, and not at a computer.

Lets say Wednesday 7/8, but I need more actual input on agenda and information, rather than "I do what I want."

Sentor · 07-02-2009, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by spaceroc5

I think the only people that need attend this are the ones on that ride! Everyone of you left a guy in the ditch and then most of ya were havin a cold one in a bar.

Maybe you should post a list of all the riders from this ride so we all know?

Wow, yet another person who feels like they need to input into a situation they know very little about, and attacking them on top of it.

Way to go, you're a real prize.

motostunter · 07-02-2009, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sentor

Wow, yet another person who feels like they need to input into a situation they know very little about, and attacking them on top of it.

Way to go, you're a real prize.

MCA8690 · 07-02-2009, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by SpeedGeek

I no longer POST wide open group rides. I PM my friends when I want to lead a ride and I choose who I want to ride with.
SO I just have "private" group rides when I want to lead, or I join someone else's group ride and tag along (and help if asked). I'm also very select in whose rides I'll join.

Originally Posted by SpeedGeek

Once we thinned it down to the riders that I chose to invite, we had no problems. Funny how that works out sometimes

Aw, Billy, you're making me blush

motostunter · 07-02-2009, 05:18 PM

Transported · 07-02-2009, 06:47 PM

Shrek, in all seriousness, I have a question for you.

You said that you only can think of a handful of riders in Portland who are qualified to act as a mentor for other riders.

So far as I know, you've never met us or ridden with us.

So, I am assuming you are basing your assumptions on our posts and second-hand information, or perhaps some specific qualifications, such as Team Oregon instructor credentials or one of the instructors employed by the various track day sponsors.

If you prefer not to name names, can you at least list the qualifications for those select few that you deem worthy? If you don't mind, then perhaps you can list a few who you think have the right stuff.

spaceroc5 · 07-02-2009, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sentor

Wow, yet another person who feels like they need to input into a situation they know very little about, and attacking them on top of it.

Way to go, you're a real prize.

That damn rite! Making a riders worst nightmare come true brings out the prize winning asshole in me!!!! Deal with it!

motostunter · 07-02-2009, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by spaceroc5

That damn rite! Making a riders worst nightmare come true brings out the prize winning asshole in me!!!! Deal with it!

cr ackup:

Shrek X · 07-02-2009, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Transported

Shrek, in all seriousness, I have a question for you.

You said that you only can think of a handful of riders in Portland who are qualified to act as a mentor for other riders.

So far as I know, you've never met us or ridden with us.

So, I am assuming you are basing your assumptions on our posts and second-hand information, or perhaps some specific qualifications, such as Team Oregon instructor credentials or one of the instructors employed by the various track day sponsors.

If you prefer not to name names, can you at least list the qualifications for those select few that you deem worthy? If you don't mind, then perhaps you can list a few who you think have the right stuff.

Well, first let me clarify my statement.... I dont think you quoted quite right.

I said there are only a handfull of people on this site that I think are qualified as mentors / instructors. That in its own right excludes most people because I havent met the full 3k of people on the site, and even with many of those I have, I dont know their history or skill level. Others I have talked to on here, I have no idea about ... like yourself.

To be an instructor / mentor, yes, I would personally like to see instructor creds of some type, or a long history of track experience. there isnt a set of qualifications, but those are things I would look for if I were advising someone (mind you, even with the years I have been on the road, I wouldn't put myself into that category). Some people I would call out, james1300, mjm, eric, pete come to mind.

that being said, everyone has something to contribute but there is a difference between advice on a ride and being a mentor / teacher.

the whole idea of a mentor ride is ... interesting. I do question who calls themselves mentors. I personally would rather see "slow" group rides for n00bs or people like me who just enjoy the ride. Not having people called out as "qualified" unless they have creds to show, just saying " I am a mentor " is far far to easy

spaceroc5 · 07-02-2009, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

Are you speaking as a mod at this point?

I think it is exactly on topic.

To that end, I spoke up, giving advice and assessing the real issue here which has nothing to do with how group rides are organized, but more accurately how people ride and how people are showing others to ride on the street.

I realize I am not one of the cool kids around the Portland water cooler, but think I have a pretty good idea why the issues come up. If someone posts something I don't agree with, it is acceptable or even encouraged to speak up... that's the nature of the forum, the interaction.

The constructive part is where some n00b reads this and realizes that he or she doesn't need to be a road racer to be on the road, and that some who hold themselves up as mentors may not be up to the task

Fookin a rite! Spot on Jeff! With your bike how could you not be the cool kid at the effin cooler! I will be at 2-Wheel tuesday with a nice Cigar 4 ya!

Ed

Shrek X · 07-02-2009, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by BoricuaBusa

Sorry Mark, but I couldn't resist in posting this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFleFrJx7nw

skillllzzzzzz they has them

love that vid

Shrek X · 07-02-2009, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

they were deleted from the thread, so in that light they were deleted. IMO it aint right...

because the question was brought up...

This thread is not mine. I didnt create this thread even though the thread says so. This thread was created by the mod who removed my posts from this thread Group Ride Leaders Meeting - Planning Process

nobody elses, just mine and those in response to mine

She deemed my comments to be unacceptable, even though they were on topic and didn't violate any forum rules. my voice and ability to comment on a topic was silenced at the whim of the mod.

the reason given was

This thread is specifically for setting up a ride leading meeting, all posts discussing ride leading moved to here:
Ride leading
Please keep it on topic.

although I feel, as do others, that my posts were on topic and the majority of the thread has nothing to do with setting up a meeting, even the joke pictures were left alone, just my voice was silenced.

I did send a PM to a few of the mods including lena, got some responses stating that it was being discussed, but none from lena and no clarification to why I was censored has come from anyone.

I am, for the first time since I have joined, very very put off by the actions I have seen here.

pv2 · 07-02-2009, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Shrek X

skillllzzzzzz they has them

love that vid

A) how do you know that bike is what he says it is?
B) nice handling, Fast:however, his L handers going round what appears to be low visibility corners are too close to the midline. Some one coming the other way can ruin his day.

He then be going fast somewhere!

pv2

lena · 07-02-2009, 11:34 PM

Shrek, I didn't single you out, I pulled all posts in chronological order that I felt were not on topic of the meeting. I was hoping the meeting could come to fruition and the discussion could take place somewhere else. I am sorry that you feel this way and I am not sure why you're so upset. Nothing got deleted, you didn't get silenced, feel free to carry on here, if it's still necessary. I can move the rest of the posts too, I just simply didn't have time but it looks like I need to do it to remain fair.

My public apologies if you got so put off by a little bit of housekeeping. I think I am one of the few people in Portland that have met you and you're a cool guy in person, maybe we can put this behind and move on? Ride or something?

Shrek X · 07-03-2009, 12:28 AM

Ill move the conversation offline for the time.

If people have any questions feel free to mail me for any followup

spaceroc5 · 07-03-2009, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by DGA

Only thing that I have gathered, out all of this, is to avoid PNW group rides all together. Common sense, when it comes to riding, has been replaced with pointless drivel.

This place used to be a lot smaller when I started out and back then it was a place for a few like minded people to meet for a ride, share some good roads and have a good time. There was no pre ride speech, no bullshit, just an unspoken understanding that riding at your own pace was expected from you; no one wants to be hanging around your broken body waiting for an ambulance, but riding. People waited for me at the stop signs or a turnoff and I was grateful. It gave me a piece of mind that if something happened at least there would be someone to call the ambulance, if I was not able to. I would have been personally embarrassed if I crashed and ruined everyone else’s day because of my carelessness. That kept me riding within my limits.

Now I show up to a ride and people are spewing safety, what and what no to do, passing out cards about this and that, but pulling some very outlandish shit on the bike after we get going. Few things get a reaction out of me, but when you keep preaching safety and than pull an asshole stunt like passing me on the right, or doing a burnout in front of me; I have a hard time not throwing your keys in to the bushes. As a group this whole PDX section has slowly drifted away from reality and just concentrates on living the biker image and where the next gathering is at.

Hearing about marshman's crash got me down, but that the whole group did not even know he was not there afterward just pissed me off; an epic fucking fail for everyone that was there. No excuses on that one. No one gets left behind, it's the cardinal rule of group riding, even if you have to retrace your steps and look through the ditches. The way this community is going, it's a lot safer to ride by yourself.

-Drazen

I agree with ya Drazen. I posted a thread called "no excuses" saying the same shit and got pulled by Lena!

Censorship according to lena!

What fucking Bullshit!!!!!

BULLSHIT

Hear Lena now you can move this to the fuckin track section!
Track track track track track track track all is cured at the track track track track track track track track!!!!!

saltlick · 07-03-2009, 06:19 AM

My first sport bike was a ducati monster, i did the same tried to keep up with the pack through the hills on my first ride. Almost wound up crashing twice on my first ride with them. They waited at the stop signs, got off thier bikes and waited for me. I thought that was cool of them at the time.

As i got better i was able to keep up, then as new people started going on the rides i started to get people that were trying to keep up at my pace. I slowed down and kept their headlights in my rearview cause i knew how it was, and didnt want them trying too hard to keep up. Anyone that has been riding for a while has probably been through that whole thing. Its just a learning process.

The only way youll survive riding sport bikes on the road is to keep your speed down, and save it for the track. If you dont, eventually it will catch up to you.

spaceroc5 · 07-03-2009, 06:37 AM

Well since it was deleted for me I will say it again

Worst group ride infraction, leaving a rider in the ditch for dead. All who were on mondays ride failed marshman! Period! You all should consider your selves week 1 noobies now cause as group riders you all suck!! Now go smack your selves silly for leaving a guy for dead! No excuses! You all need retraining from square frickin 1! Shamefull riding you all!!!

Transported · 07-03-2009, 06:37 AM

PNWR Portland has changed, Drazen. As you know, I was there in the period you are talking about and it was only a handful of people. Most of them were guys who had been riding for decades looking for some like-minded riding buddies. They were the strong ride leaders, and newbies did their best to tag along and pick up some wisdom. Because the groups were small, they were cohesive and everyone stuck together. If you showed good judgment and a willingness to listen, you were assumed to be one of the group.

Then, PNWR Portland became popular. Newer and younger (less experienced) riders joined and became predominent. The original riders mostly moved along to other forums or did rides through PMs. A few of us remain active on the forum, even if it is frustrating at times.

Guys who had a couple of years under their belts became the forum leaders and they have neither the experience nor seasoning that the founders had.

Without a historical base (the long view) to go on, everything is alarming and unprecedented. They don't see that it will pass. It's a phase. A blip.

In five years, they'll see that. But, right now, everything is a huge frickin' deal, an outrageous afront. And, emotions (and drama) rule the day.

I hope that the leader meeting will be a way for us to establish some standard guidelines so that protocol will replace the experience newer leaders don't yet have.

saltlick · 07-03-2009, 06:43 AM

i know the horse has been beat but im just curious how many people total were on the ride that day at Hagg? I dont care who was there, just wondering was it really so many people that one person wouldnt even be missed?

lena · 07-03-2009, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by spaceroc5

Well since it was deleted for me I will say it again

Worst group ride infraction, leaving a rider in the ditch for dead. All who were on mondays ride failed marshman! Period! You all should consider your selves week 1 noobies now cause as group riders you all suck!! Now go smack your selves silly for leaving a guy for dead! No excuses! You all need retraining from square frickin 1! Shamefull riding you all!!!

Your whole post was a personal attack at the whole group and just that, that's why it was removed. And it still is ...

Shrek X · 07-03-2009, 07:28 AM

^^ from the sounds of the incident, the whole group needed to be attacked. attacks happen all the time here, thats part of a voice we have, it doesn't violate any rules

really have to question how far censorship goes here, and how much is allowed... unless there are threats involved, calling someone out seems quite reasonable. they did mess up and need to be recognized as such, even if thats in colorful language.

lena · 07-03-2009, 07:49 AM

Threads merged back together for the sake of Happy 4th of July. Lets move on.

Sentor, please update your original post once the meeting date and location are settled, nobody is gonna wade through pages of this stuff. Or start a new thread.

No, Shrek, I don't see why personal attacks are ever necessary and yes, they violate the rules of the forum.

Shrek X · 07-03-2009, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by lena

Threads merged back together for the sake of Happy 4th of July. Lets move on.

Sentor, please update your original post once the meeting date and location are settled, nobody is gonna wade through pages of this stuff. Or start a new thread.

No, Shrek, I don't see why personal attacks are ever necessary and yes, they violate the rules of the forum.

Attacking someone can take place in various fashions. calling someone a dumbass because.... well, they were in this case, fits. If I saw a friend of mine doing a wheelie up lovejoy, I would slap him up side the back of the head and call him a dumbass... is that an attack, yes, justified, definatley.

As long as he knows that he violated forum rules, and has been told which ones, I dont see a problem with that.

Lee650 · 07-03-2009, 08:42 AM

I think everyone on that ride knows they failed that day and am sure they feel bad about it and will not forget it. I just hope everyone else picks up on this "lesson learned" and will not let it happen again. Count heads at every stop, if you leave the group make sure someone knows it.

dwschultzy · 07-03-2009, 08:53 AM

is there a portland area group riders police or licensing area i need to talk too when i travel there?

i am thinking about making a small group ride down to/through the area and wanted to know if i needed to stop and make an application to get licensed as a "leader/mentor"

any ideas of who i see?

Lee650 · 07-03-2009, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by dwschultzy

is there a portland area group riders police or licensing area i need to talk too when i travel there?

i am thinking about making a small group ride down to/through the area and wanted to know if i needed to stop and make an application to get licensed as a "leader/mentor"

any ideas of who i see?

Ya, submit a list of names, phone numbers, and emergence contact person, along with the name of the group leader and his or her qualification. After a review someone will get back to you and let you know if your approved.

motostunter · 07-03-2009, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Lee650

Ya, submit a list of names, phone numbers, and emergence contact person, along with the name of the group leader and his or her qualification. After a review someone will get back to you and let you know if your approved.

INFRAKSHUNZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You said the word REVIEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

crackup :

Nicegy525 · 07-03-2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by dwschultzy

is there a portland area group riders police or licensing area i need to talk too when i travel there?

i am thinking about making a small group ride down to/through the area and wanted to know if i needed to stop and make an application to get licensed as a "leader/mentor"

any ideas of who i see?

shoot me a PM Ill send you a private invite to Mid-Pack Riders Underground. "No protocols, just common sense riding"

spaceroc5 · 07-03-2009, 12:18 PM

Lena I apologize for the bad language.

Ed

saltlick · 07-03-2009, 12:37 PM

ha ha i love this board.

Lee650 · 07-03-2009, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by spaceroc5

Lena I apologize for the bad language.

Ed

motostunter · 07-03-2009, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by spaceroc5

Lena I apologize for the bad language.

Ed

He didn't mean it. He's not really sorry.

ninja-rida · 07-03-2009, 04:58 PM

motostunter · 07-03-2009, 05:08 PM

Sentor · 07-03-2009, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by spaceroc5

Well since it was deleted for me I will say it again

Worst group ride infraction, leaving a rider in the ditch for dead. All who were on mondays ride failed marshman! Period! You all should consider your selves week 1 noobies now cause as group riders you all suck!! Now go smack your selves silly for leaving a guy for dead! No excuses! You all need retraining from square frickin 1! Shamefull riding you all!!!

You're not even worth the time.

ninja-rida · 07-03-2009, 09:53 PM

Shrek X · 07-05-2009, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Lee650

I think everyone on that ride knows they failed that day and am sure they feel bad about it and will not forget it. I just hope everyone else picks up on this "lesson learned" and will not let it happen again. Count heads at every stop, if you leave the group make sure someone knows it.

or, just maybe, think about quit racing on the street and actually go to the track... I know its scary to put yourself up against real riders, but you may just get better. (i am using the "royal" you Lee, not directed at you unless you fit what I am talking about)

crazy idea i know, but that just may work.

trust me when I say, racing or riding to excess is the problem here and I speak from experienced. you want to stop crashes and people getting hurt, slow down... just that simple

and if your a new rider, and look to someone on this board to be a mentor... dont. Until you see qualifications (and I mean working through a good track learning curve, teachin courses etc), assume they have as much experience as you do


07-02-2009, 04:24 PM	#121
SpeedGeek Zone Head Joined: Jan 2007 From: Lake Osghetto, OR I Ride: whenever I can	Mr P is serving it up..... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 05:18 PM	#127
motostunter Zone Head Joined: Aug 2006 From: Portland, Or (Bethany) I Ride: 03 636	__________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 06:47 PM	#128
Transported MotoGP Champion Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland, Oregon Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: '99 R1, '80 Suz GS450S	Shrek, in all seriousness, I have a question for you. You said that you only can think of a handful of riders in Portland who are qualified to act as a mentor for other riders. So far as I know, you've never met us or ridden with us. So, I am assuming you are basing your assumptions on our posts and second-hand information, or perhaps some specific qualifications, such as Team Oregon instructor credentials or one of the instructors employed by the various track day sponsors. If you prefer not to name names, can you at least list the qualifications for those select few that you deem worthy? If you don't mind, then perhaps you can list a few who you think have the right stuff. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-02-2009, 11:34 PM	#136
lena Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 From: Portland, OR I Ride: Monster 750	Shrek, I didn't single you out, I pulled all posts in chronological order that I felt were not on topic of the meeting. I was hoping the meeting could come to fruition and the discussion could take place somewhere else. I am sorry that you feel this way and I am not sure why you're so upset. Nothing got deleted, you didn't get silenced, feel free to carry on here, if it's still necessary. I can move the rest of the posts too, I just simply didn't have time but it looks like I need to do it to remain fair. My public apologies if you got so put off by a little bit of housekeeping. I think I am one of the few people in Portland that have met you and you're a cool guy in person, maybe we can put this behind and move on? Ride or something? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-03-2009, 12:28 AM	#137
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	Ill move the conversation offline for the time. If people have any questions feel free to mail me for any followup __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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07-03-2009, 06:19 AM	#139
saltlick Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: Beaverton, Oregon I Ride: Buell Lightning XB9S	My first sport bike was a ducati monster, i did the same tried to keep up with the pack through the hills on my first ride. Almost wound up crashing twice on my first ride with them. They waited at the stop signs, got off thier bikes and waited for me. I thought that was cool of them at the time. As i got better i was able to keep up, then as new people started going on the rides i started to get people that were trying to keep up at my pace. I slowed down and kept their headlights in my rearview cause i knew how it was, and didnt want them trying too hard to keep up. Anyone that has been riding for a while has probably been through that whole thing. Its just a learning process. The only way youll survive riding sport bikes on the road is to keep your speed down, and save it for the track. If you dont, eventually it will catch up to you. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-03-2009, 06:37 AM	#140
spaceroc5 WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Jul 2008 From: Milwaukie I Ride: In The Zone	Well since it was deleted for me I will say it again Worst group ride infraction, leaving a rider in the ditch for dead. All who were on mondays ride failed marshman! Period! You all should consider your selves week 1 noobies now cause as group riders you all suck!! Now go smack your selves silly for leaving a guy for dead! No excuses! You all need retraining from square frickin 1! Shamefull riding you all!!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-03-2009, 06:37 AM	#141
Transported MotoGP Champion Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland, Oregon Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: '99 R1, '80 Suz GS450S	PNWR Portland has changed, Drazen. As you know, I was there in the period you are talking about and it was only a handful of people. Most of them were guys who had been riding for decades looking for some like-minded riding buddies. They were the strong ride leaders, and newbies did their best to tag along and pick up some wisdom. Because the groups were small, they were cohesive and everyone stuck together. If you showed good judgment and a willingness to listen, you were assumed to be one of the group. Then, PNWR Portland became popular. Newer and younger (less experienced) riders joined and became predominent. The original riders mostly moved along to other forums or did rides through PMs. A few of us remain active on the forum, even if it is frustrating at times. Guys who had a couple of years under their belts became the forum leaders and they have neither the experience nor seasoning that the founders had. Without a historical base (the long view) to go on, everything is alarming and unprecedented. They don't see that it will pass. It's a phase. A blip. In five years, they'll see that. But, right now, everything is a huge frickin' deal, an outrageous afront. And, emotions (and drama) rule the day. I hope that the leader meeting will be a way for us to establish some standard guidelines so that protocol will replace the experience newer leaders don't yet have. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-03-2009, 06:43 AM	#142
saltlick Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: Beaverton, Oregon I Ride: Buell Lightning XB9S	i know the horse has been beat but im just curious how many people total were on the ride that day at Hagg? I dont care who was there, just wondering was it really so many people that one person wouldnt even be missed? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-03-2009, 07:28 AM	#144
Shrek X Mr. 500,000 Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland I Ride: VTX	^^ from the sounds of the incident, the whole group needed to be attacked. attacks happen all the time here, thats part of a voice we have, it doesn't violate any rules really have to question how far censorship goes here, and how much is allowed... unless there are threats involved, calling someone out seems quite reasonable. they did mess up and need to be recognized as such, even if thats in colorful language. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Shrek X; 07-03-2009 at 07:32 AM..


07-03-2009, 07:49 AM	#145
lena Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 From: Portland, OR I Ride: Monster 750	Threads merged back together for the sake of Happy 4th of July. Lets move on. Sentor, please update your original post once the meeting date and location are settled, nobody is gonna wade through pages of this stuff. Or start a new thread. No, Shrek, I don't see why personal attacks are ever necessary and yes, they violate the rules of the forum. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-03-2009, 08:42 AM	#147
Lee650 Superbiker Joined: Apr 2007 From: Milwaukie, Oregon I Ride: K1200R Sport; 07 600RR	I think everyone on that ride knows they failed that day and am sure they feel bad about it and will not forget it. I just hope everyone else picks up on this "lesson learned" and will not let it happen again. Count heads at every stop, if you leave the group make sure someone knows it. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-03-2009, 08:53 AM	#148
dwschultzy Superbiker Joined: Nov 2007 From: auburn Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: CBR	is there a portland area group riders police or licensing area i need to talk too when i travel there? i am thinking about making a small group ride down to/through the area and wanted to know if i needed to stop and make an application to get licensed as a "leader/mentor" any ideas of who i see? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-03-2009, 12:18 PM	#152
spaceroc5 WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Jul 2008 From: Milwaukie I Ride: In The Zone	Lena I apologize for the bad language. Ed __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-03-2009, 12:37 PM	#153
saltlick Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: Beaverton, Oregon I Ride: Buell Lightning XB9S	ha ha i love this board. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


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