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jprv4pilot · 09-25-2009, 10:50 AM

wow ... 2009 has to be one of the worst years for serious crashes ....

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...ycycle_cr.html

very sad .....

KJG675 · 09-25-2009, 10:53 AM

Definitely sad. Stay safe out there everybody!!!

dcamgixxer · 09-25-2009, 10:57 AM

see, thats why i dont ride solo, this shit is sad!

Cadco · 09-25-2009, 12:30 PM

RIP brother!

TMMR · 09-25-2009, 01:01 PM

prayers for family and friends

Silver788 · 09-25-2009, 01:33 PM

R.I.P. brother... Hope I am rockin a new Duc. when I am 61. Hope you had a good full run at life. I am guessing you did!!

yellowpens · 09-25-2009, 02:18 PM

pdxnathan · 09-25-2009, 04:25 PM

RIP man and prayers to the family... sucks.

Devil_Doc · 09-25-2009, 05:04 PM

Man killed in motorcycle crash east of Bend
By Lynne Terry, The Oregonian
September 25, 2009, 8:53AM
A 61-year-old man died early this morning in a motorcycle crash on U.S. 20 east of Bend.

Police said the man was heading eastbound and going around a left-hand curve when he veered off the highway about 28 miles from Bend and crashed into a fog marker. He was thrown from the 2008 Ducati motorcycle and died at the scene.

Police said he may have been speeding. The investigation continues.

yellowpens · 09-25-2009, 05:15 PM

"Police said he may have been speeding."
I'd like to see the police NOT think a motorcyclist was speeding when they crash and die or get injured.

Harleymotovation · 09-25-2009, 05:30 PM

I am just just at Ft Leonard Wood and they have lost 12 bad year everywhere

Gusgus · 09-25-2009, 05:39 PM

crap this sux!

RIP rider.

This sux, especially for him.

Aprilia · 09-25-2009, 06:55 PM

Does anyone know who it was? Name? I have a few customers who ride '08 Ducs and are in their early 60's, two of them live in Bend, as well... This year has really been a tough one for us "fellowship of riders", hasn't it?

TwistedTimes · 09-25-2009, 07:20 PM

Jesus Christ.....

Be safe out there guys an gals. RIP

Udoggie · 09-25-2009, 07:25 PM

RIP. :-(

Folks, please, please take it easy. I have no idea why or how this happened, but know that there is one less of us motoring around now, and that makes me sad. (And I'm saddened by this sort of news way too often)

Soil · 09-25-2009, 07:37 PM

It's only gonna get worse, more folks riding means more folks crashing.

Eleah's ride today was VERY illuminating to me... PLEASE understand survival reactions and the potential death.

RIP

Be safe out there everyone!
C

QBert · 09-25-2009, 09:10 PM

Everyday we taste death in order to live life. RIP

VFR750FKID · 09-25-2009, 10:32 PM

"He was not wearing a helmet. "

.................................................. .....................

RIP

Outofsync · 09-25-2009, 10:37 PM

^^^^BEat me to it...... Sad for sure, but not wearing a lid with just about any style of riding, Well I dont really have to say my thoughts on that part of it

VFR750FKID · 09-25-2009, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Outofsync

^^^^BEat me to it...... Sad for sure, but not wearing a lid with just about any style of riding, Well I dont really have to say my thoughts on that part of it

Yea sorry that was the thingthat stuck out to me.....

matt3719 · 09-25-2009, 10:54 PM

only gonna get worse... sad though.. if it takes this to show more than one person that you should wear a helmet that would help. stay safe out there!

TwistedTimes · 09-25-2009, 11:46 PM

i'm amazed their hasn't been more incidents with scooters/mopeds this summer, given how many more of them are on the road now, and they wear no gear at all sometimes....

VFR750FKID · 09-26-2009, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by HondaKilla

i'm amazed their hasn't been more incidents with scooters/mopeds this summer, given how many more of them are on the road now, and they wear no gear at all sometimes....

true so true

vnjason · 09-26-2009, 08:14 AM

don't hear bout em cause they can't accuse them of speeding. scooters and mopeds that is

Udoggie · 09-26-2009, 09:13 AM

Police said speed might have been a factor in the crash. He was not wearing a helmet.

Sigh.

So, not to jack the thread, but what is a "Fog marker"?

pv2 · 09-26-2009, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Soil

It's only gonna get worse, more folks riding means more folks crashing.

Eleah's ride today was VERY illuminating to me... PLEASE understand survival reactions and the potential death.

RIP

Be safe out there everyone!
C

Soil:

Could you Illuminate us on how the Luminous ones ride was so Illuminating to you?

pv2 · 09-26-2009, 05:39 PM

Riding alone is not safe and not nearly as much fun as riding with a cadre of likeminded individuals.

Glad we have PNWRIDERS!

When smartly together we have power, Ideas, thoughts, shared and tested.
Rides are better because we are active in our heads and in dealing with each other.

If thoughtlessly together... we have seen the result.

I'd like to think, together we are safer as a moto community.

A lone rider, no group involvement, likely more of a road risk.

RIP to another one,
a faceless one, an abstract thought to an unknown's passing

Likely in a flash, a moment of realization-understanding of what was to come,

freezing panic, stiffens out, not knowing,
went where he told it to go,
sliding, sparking, scrape of momentum, going down
a shoe drops to the ground,
falling rider, crushed and laid to rest,
a life slips away, an engine quiets,
wheels spin to stillness

Deafening Silence Ensues, in a circle of chalk.

Speed they say, talk easy to fit in a box, one size fits all, no answer given, and no response.

RIP

yellowpens · 09-26-2009, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by pv2

Soil:

Could you Illuminate us on how the Luminous ones ride was so Illuminating to you?

Lets just say he taught me a thing or two that supposably every motorcyclist knows... but I had never even heard of or considered.
COUNTER STEERING.
ok, go ahead and laugh. 15,000 miles and I'd never head of it.
Point is... NOW i have, and now i can do it. :D

anyway. thread jack over.

Gusgus · 09-26-2009, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by pv2

Riding alone is not safe and not nearly as much fun as riding with a cadre of likeminded individuals.

Glad we have PNWRIDERS!

When smartly together we have power, Ideas, thoughts, shared and tested.
Rides are better because we are active in our heads and in dealing with each other.

If thoughtlessly together... we have seen the result.

I'd like to think, together we are safer as a moto community.

A lone rider, no group involvement, likely more of a road risk.

RIP to another one,
a faceless one, an abstract thought to an unknown's passing

Likely in a flash, a moment of realization-understanding of what was to come,

freezing panic, stiffens out, not knowing,
went where he told it to go,
sliding, sparking, scrape of momentum, going down
a shoe drops to the ground,
falling rider, crushed and laid to rest,
a life slips away, an engine quiets,
wheels spin to stillness

Deafening Silence Ensues, in a circle of chalk.

Speed they say, talk easy to fit in a box, one size fits all, no answer given, and no response.

RIP

Thanks for a very poignant poem.
Nicely done.

Rep given, again thanks.

Rippn · 09-26-2009, 06:07 PM

REST IN PEACE...

Truth is, the stats for accidents... are WAY HIGHER in a group.
FREE and clean, Ripp'n

TwistedTimes · 09-26-2009, 07:20 PM

[QUOTE=Truth is, the stats for accidents... are WAY HIGHER in a group.
FREE and clean, Ripp'n[/QUOTE]

Yup, as most of RIP threads this year have indicated, get a group mentality going like a heard of Lemmings and well the rest is in the accident reports….

Soil · 09-26-2009, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by pv2

Soil:

Could you Illuminate us on how the Luminous ones ride was so Illuminating to you?

the 'illuminating' thing that I was referring to (YP) was my own mistakes (that I seem to keep making)

specifically - assumptions.

I have ridden countless miles with countless individuals and KEEP being surprised because 'they' keep surprising me. Things like what YP was saying about countersteering... how many of us have ridden with her and NOT noticed?

another one - 'blowing the double yellow' (quick definition - I am NOT talking about 'passing in a double yellow' - I AM talking about a right hand turn, a panic or survival reaction, and THAT causing someone to go across that line UN-INTENTIONALLY)

how many of US have seen someone blow a double yellow (or some other OBVIOUS unhealthy 'reaction) and NOT called them on it? STOP assuming they 'know' they screwed up and FIX IT! stated in another thread - I yelled at a 6'5" dude about it recently - I didn't yell because HE needed it, I yelled because those surrounding him and me at the time needed it. Does that make sense? YOU ALL should be taking on this responsibility!

TWO things happened on the Tuesday new rider ride and TWO people spoke to me AFTER to ask me to 'fix' the issues... Those people should have STOPPED at one of the many stops and discussed those things DURING the ride, at the EARLIEST possible moment... PLEASE stop those you see screwing up - otherwise they may DIE in front of you!

OK - off the box...

have a great sunday ya'll!
C

yellowpens · 09-26-2009, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Soil

how many of US have seen someone blow a double yellow (or some other OBVIOUS unhealthy 'reaction) and NOT called them on it? STOP assuming they 'know' they screwed up and FIX IT! stated in another thread - I yelled at a 6'5" dude about it recently - I didn't yell because HE needed it, I yelled because those surrounding him and me at the time needed it. Does that make sense? YOU ALL should be taking on this responsibility!

No more RIPs.

Flyingdog5000 · 09-27-2009, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by yellowpens

"Police said he may have been speeding."
I'd like to see the police NOT think a motorcyclist was speeding when they crash and die or get injured.

Has it occurred to you that maybe we aren't just guessing; that maybe after investigating the scene, measuring skid marks, etc. that we too often come to the sad but completely reasonable conclusion that speed was possibly a factor? Why is it that too many of the people who post here seem to think that we're just making this stuff up?

Now, if you could honestly tell me that you've never seen a motorcyclist go over the speed limit, or too fast for conditions, then I could understand your statement. After all, if you've never seen anyone speed, it makes perfect sense that you would question someone saying that speeding was a possible factor in a crash. But my guess is that you, like me, have seen lots of people go too fast; in cars, on motorcycles, whatever!

As a cop who's quite frankly tired of seeing people zipped into blue vinyl bags, I would love to never again have to say, officially or otherwise, that "Speed was most likely a factor".

I feel better now...

slowride · 09-27-2009, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Flyingdog5000

Has it occurred to you that maybe we aren't just guessing; that maybe after investigating the scene, measuring skid marks, etc. that we too often come to the sad but completely reasonable conclusion that speed was possibly a factor? Why is it that too many of the people who post here seem to think that we're just making this stuff up?

Now, if you could honestly tell me that you've never seen a motorcyclist go over the speed limit, or too fast for conditions, then I could understand your statement. After all, if you've never seen anyone speed, it makes perfect sense that you would question someone saying that speeding was a possible factor in a crash. But my guess is that you, like me, have seen lots of people go too fast; in cars, on motorcycles, whatever!

As a cop who's quite frankly tired of seeing people zipped into blue vinyl bags, I would love to never again have to say, officially or otherwise, that "Speed was most likely a factor".

I feel better now...

plus 1 to that 9 times ou of 10 if the rider was goin the speed limit he would still be alive

Gusgus · 09-27-2009, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Flyingdog5000

Has it occurred to you that maybe we aren't just guessing; that maybe after investigating the scene, measuring skid marks, etc. that we too often come to the sad but completely reasonable conclusion that speed was possibly a factor? Why is it that too many of the people who post here seem to think that we're just making this stuff up?

Now, if you could honestly tell me that you've never seen a motorcyclist go over the speed limit, or too fast for conditions, then I could understand your statement. After all, if you've never seen anyone speed, it makes perfect sense that you would question someone saying that speeding was a possible factor in a crash. But my guess is that you, like me, have seen lots of people go too fast; in cars, on motorcycles, whatever!

As a cop who's quite frankly tired of seeing people zipped into blue vinyl bags, I would love to never again have to say, officially or otherwise, that "Speed was most likely a factor".

I feel better now...

Great point Flyingdog.

I am one who is hoping with all of my heart the speed limits are corrected. Nuf said on that.

Lastly I don't think Yellowpens was wrong in the thought, except accusing the police alone (not accusing either) it seems the news is suggestive.

They (the media, I worked for the media for years) show up and hear people talking on the sidewalk and report that line of crap as fact. No matter what the cops have actually decided, the articles all differ in fact, There aren't as many differences in news stories as we read. Take the I-5 crash, the total number involved is still reported as 24, 25, 27 and 28 bikes, Yet Brother Speed itself reports 27 bikes involved. I don't know if anyone has reported total number of people involved. No media source that I have seen has corrected their numbers.

The same thing occurs regularly with alcohol and speed, assumptions are all to often proven incorrect and also proven correct. Yet when accusing someone, it seems a valid concern to avoid false accusations.

pv2 · 09-27-2009, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Gusgus

Great point Flyingdog.

I am one who is hoping with all of my heart the speed limits are corrected. Nuf said on that.

Lastly I don't think Yellowpens was wrong in the thought, except accusing the police alone (not accusing either) it seems the news is suggestive.

They (the media, I worked for the media for years) show up and hear people talking on the sidewalk and report that line of crap as fact. No matter what the cops have actually decided, the articles all differ in fact, There aren't as many differences in news stories as we read. Take the I-5 crash, the total number involved is still reported as 24, 25, 27 and 28 bikes, Yet Brother Speed itself reports 27 bikes involved. I don't know if anyone has reported total number of people involved. No media source that I have seen has corrected their numbers.

The same thing occurs regularly with alcohol and speed, assumptions are all to often proven incorrect and also proven correct. Yet when accusing someone, it seems a valid concern to avoid false accusations.

If the forensics are good, well that is certainly evidence with some weight attached to it.

Perhaps you can tell us some of the evidence that police use to understand the accident scene. How it is interpreted.

I had an engineering teacher that did accident forensics and told me a few things.

Having some very good police friends, I have come to the humble conclusion police are usually on the front lines of what happens.
Not always there to stop the situation, that is impossible; however, they are there to investigate and help clean up the mess.

So thanks for serving Officer,

You have my appreciation.

pv2

Not aimed at you but a general statement:

PS: I hate unmarked cars, they should only be used in sting/ undercover/ TAC operations not for Traffic Control.

yellowpens · 09-27-2009, 05:16 PM

:( Sorry.. flyingdog... hadn't meant to be offensive. Just seems like every motorcyclist who crashes "may have been speeding"
conicidentally, 1 or 2 days after I posted that, I read a write up that didnt say the guy may have been speeding.
So, I guess I got what I wanted.
I didnt mean it to sound like i think ya'll just pin that stuff on people. I know you investigate..my grandma and brother both are cops.

ulfur · 09-28-2009, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by yellowpens

:( Sorry.. flyingdog... hadn't meant to be offensive. Just seems like every motorcyclist who crashes "may have been speeding"
conicidentally, 1 or 2 days after I posted that, I read a write up that didnt say the guy may have been speeding.
So, I guess I got what I wanted.
I didnt mean it to sound like i think ya'll just pin that stuff on people. I know you investigate..my grandma and brother both are cops.

Nothing to be sorry about I think the "May have been speeding" line gets used allot when ever a bike crashes. You don't have to be speeding to lay a bike down.

Gusgus · 09-28-2009, 09:21 AM

My trouble with believing media reports and police reports are the scale of "boil it down the most impressive ending" and report that. Just like pot busts have always been reported, they find an ounce, it is worth 9,000 bucks at street value? Maybe rolled in joints and charging 100 bucks a joint.......

Yea, they say, but it could be worth that!

The unbelievable things we read without proof, explanation or even pictures make me skeptical and cautious when applying belief.

It is a tough job being a policeman, it is a tough job being a sewer truck driver, but no one forced either of them into the positions.

Criticism is a reality of police work, and the lack of 100% honesty and believable reports are always going to cause disbelief in the cause as you (police) report it.


09-25-2009, 10:50 AM	#1
jprv4pilot Training Wheels Joined: May 2009 From: Portland, Oregon I Ride: 2008 Ducati 1098s, 2008 GSXR-1000	Another fallen Rider wow ... 2009 has to be one of the worst years for serious crashes .... http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...ycycle_cr.html very sad ..... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 10:53 AM	#2
KJG675 Training Wheels Joined: Jul 2009 From: N.Wilsonville, Oregon I Ride: Triumph Daytona 675	Definitely sad. Stay safe out there everybody!!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 10:57 AM	#3
dcamgixxer Zone Head Joined: Jul 2008 From: beaverton, or I Ride: like a cholo	see, thats why i dont ride solo, this shit is sad! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 12:30 PM	#4
Cadco Training Wheels Joined: May 2009 From: Vancouver, WA I Ride: 2007 Suzuki GSX-R600 K7 Matte Black/Black	RIP brother! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 01:01 PM	#5
TMMR WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Aug 2008 From: Vancouver Washington I Ride: broken ones	prayers for family and friends __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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09-25-2009, 01:33 PM	#6
Silver788 WMRRA Qualifier Joined: May 2008 From: Fairview I Ride: Really fucking late at night! 1998 VFR800 Interceptor, 08 KLR650, 93 KLR650, 03 SV1000S, 97 CBR600F3	R.I.P. brother... Hope I am rockin a new Duc. when I am 61. Hope you had a good full run at life. I am guessing you did!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 02:18 PM	#7
yellowpens Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: Tigard, OR I Ride: '96 Kawi Ninja ZX6-R	Rip! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 04:25 PM	#8
pdxnathan Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: hillsboro I Ride: white ducati m1100s	RIP man and prayers to the family... sucks. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 05:04 PM	#9
Devil_Doc Streetfighter Joined: Sep 2008 From: Kirkland via Dallas I Ride: VTR1000 SuperChicken	Man killed in motorcycle crash east of Bend By Lynne Terry, The Oregonian September 25, 2009, 8:53AM A 61-year-old man died early this morning in a motorcycle crash on U.S. 20 east of Bend. Police said the man was heading eastbound and going around a left-hand curve when he veered off the highway about 28 miles from Bend and crashed into a fog marker. He was thrown from the 2008 Ducati motorcycle and died at the scene. Police said he may have been speeding. The investigation continues. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 05:15 PM	#10
yellowpens Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: Tigard, OR I Ride: '96 Kawi Ninja ZX6-R	"Police said he may have been speeding." I'd like to see the police NOT think a motorcyclist was speeding when they crash and die or get injured. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 05:30 PM	#11
Harleymotovation Newbie Joined: Sep 2009 From: Yelm, WA I Ride: 86 FJ1200 84 VF700f 77Sportster	worst yeaR I am just just at Ft Leonard Wood and they have lost 12 bad year everywhere __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 05:39 PM	#12
Gusgus MotoGP Champion Joined: Dec 2008 From: VanHooter, Wa Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: Valkyrie/R1150GS Adventure	crap this sux! RIP rider. This sux, especially for him. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 06:55 PM	#13
Aprilia Sweep Crusader Joined: May 2009 From: Portland, OR I Ride: ... "sweep."	Does anyone know who it was? Name? I have a few customers who ride '08 Ducs and are in their early 60's, two of them live in Bend, as well... This year has really been a tough one for us "fellowship of riders", hasn't it? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 07:20 PM	#14
TwistedTimes HondaKilla Joined: Jan 2008 From: Hillsburrito, OR I Ride: Like a duc wrangler	Jesus Christ..... Be safe out there guys an gals. RIP __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 07:25 PM	#15
Udoggie Training Wheels Joined: Aug 2009 From: Aloha, Oregon I Ride: Suzuki SFV650	RIP. :-( Folks, please, please take it easy. I have no idea why or how this happened, but know that there is one less of us motoring around now, and that makes me sad. (And I'm saddened by this sort of news way too often) __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 07:37 PM	#16
Soil Zone Head Joined: Mar 2008 From: Beaverton, OR - CLAY I Ride: K6 GSXR 1K	It's only gonna get worse, more folks riding means more folks crashing. Eleah's ride today was VERY illuminating to me... PLEASE understand survival reactions and the potential death. RIP Be safe out there everyone! C __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 09:10 PM	#17
QBert Training Wheels Joined: Sep 2009 From: Beaverton, Or I Ride: a fun one.	Everyday we taste death in order to live life. RIP __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 10:32 PM	#18
VFR750FKID Pit Crew Joined: Sep 2009 From: Portland, OR I Ride: 1994 Honda VFR750F, 1966 CL160, XR250	"He was not wearing a helmet. " .................................................. ..................... RIP __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 10:37 PM	#19
Outofsync MotoGP Champion Joined: Apr 2006 From: Eeeveruutt I Ride: the bike that I am allowed to ride.. I dont own one... <-----Fail	^^^^BEat me to it...... Sad for sure, but not wearing a lid with just about any style of riding, Well I dont really have to say my thoughts on that part of it __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 10:54 PM	#21
matt3719 Pit Crew Joined: Aug 2009 From: joplin, MO to pdx I Ride: 03 R1	only gonna get worse... sad though.. if it takes this to show more than one person that you should wear a helmet that would help. stay safe out there! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-25-2009, 11:46 PM	#22
TwistedTimes HondaKilla Joined: Jan 2008 From: Hillsburrito, OR I Ride: Like a duc wrangler	i'm amazed their hasn't been more incidents with scooters/mopeds this summer, given how many more of them are on the road now, and they wear no gear at all sometimes.... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-26-2009, 08:14 AM	#24
vnjason Training Wheels Joined: May 2009 From: vancouver washington I Ride: 1981 xj 650 maxim	don't hear bout em cause they can't accuse them of speeding. scooters and mopeds that is __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-26-2009, 09:13 AM	#25
Udoggie Training Wheels Joined: Aug 2009 From: Aloha, Oregon I Ride: Suzuki SFV650	Police said speed might have been a factor in the crash. He was not wearing a helmet. Sigh. So, not to jack the thread, but what is a "Fog marker"? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-26-2009, 05:39 PM	#27
pv2 Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2008 From: Portland, Oregon I Ride: 03 RC51 SP-2	Riding alone is not safe and not nearly as much fun as riding with a cadre of likeminded individuals. Glad we have PNWRIDERS! When smartly together we have power, Ideas, thoughts, shared and tested. Rides are better because we are active in our heads and in dealing with each other. If thoughtlessly together... we have seen the result. I'd like to think, together we are safer as a moto community. A lone rider, no group involvement, likely more of a road risk. RIP to another one, a faceless one, an abstract thought to an unknown's passing Likely in a flash, a moment of realization-understanding of what was to come, freezing panic, stiffens out, not knowing, went where he told it to go, sliding, sparking, scrape of momentum, going down a shoe drops to the ground, falling rider, crushed and laid to rest, a life slips away, an engine quiets, wheels spin to stillness Deafening Silence Ensues, in a circle of chalk. Speed they say, talk easy to fit in a box, one size fits all, no answer given, and no response. RIP __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-26-2009, 06:07 PM	#30
Rippn MotoGP Champion Joined: Apr 2007 From: soap lake wa. I Ride: 00kaw12r, 97 tls1000, 96gsxr1260 turbo freakshow, kz1300gt, 88gsxr1100, 86gsxr750, 82gsx1100ez, 79kz1300, 75 ducati750gts, 72 gt550 cafe	REST IN PEACE... Truth is, the stats for accidents... are WAY HIGHER in a group. FREE and clean, Ripp'n __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Rippn; 09-26-2009 at 06:10 PM..


09-26-2009, 07:20 PM	#31
TwistedTimes HondaKilla Joined: Jan 2008 From: Hillsburrito, OR I Ride: Like a duc wrangler	[QUOTE=Truth is, the stats for accidents... are WAY HIGHER in a group. FREE and clean, Ripp'n[/QUOTE] Yup, as most of RIP threads this year have indicated, get a group mentality going like a heard of Lemmings and well the rest is in the accident reports…. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-27-2009, 05:16 PM	#38
yellowpens Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: Tigard, OR I Ride: '96 Kawi Ninja ZX6-R	:( Sorry.. flyingdog... hadn't meant to be offensive. Just seems like every motorcyclist who crashes "may have been speeding" conicidentally, 1 or 2 days after I posted that, I read a write up that didnt say the guy may have been speeding. So, I guess I got what I wanted. I didnt mean it to sound like i think ya'll just pin that stuff on people. I know you investigate..my grandma and brother both are cops. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-28-2009, 09:21 AM	#40
Gusgus MotoGP Champion Joined: Dec 2008 From: VanHooter, Wa Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: Valkyrie/R1150GS Adventure	My trouble with believing media reports and police reports are the scale of "boil it down the most impressive ending" and report that. Just like pot busts have always been reported, they find an ounce, it is worth 9,000 bucks at street value? Maybe rolled in joints and charging 100 bucks a joint....... Yea, they say, but it could be worth that! The unbelievable things we read without proof, explanation or even pictures make me skeptical and cautious when applying belief. It is a tough job being a policeman, it is a tough job being a sewer truck driver, but no one forced either of them into the positions. Criticism is a reality of police work, and the lack of 100% honesty and believable reports are always going to cause disbelief in the cause as you (police) report it. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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