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pv2 · 09-27-2009, 10:23 AM

After seeing Nath's post, and understanding his findings on his near brush with ... the other side.

I thought to just pop one more bit of shyte:

The other thing I want to share with us was something my ex-boss told me

"If you get into a bad corner, you look extra hard even harder to where you want to go, twist head body everything, and your bike will take you there."

My thought for us is, you have to employ EVERYTHING to keep from getting dusted sometimes.

Commit yourself to look where you want to go and then some, exaggerate the movement if you have to.

Do not look at the thing you fear, shut it out, cause you will gravitate toward the fear and into .......

A few inches can be the difference between zip lock body bag and posting on the forum.

So this may be of value to someone.

Practice a panic situation, visualize the car coming to you.

moving your head, vision, and body with your countersteer, arms hands loose, giving your suspension max flexibilty.

Look Hard!

Do it a little at a time till you get yourself acustomed to it.

For the un initiated:
That move will make your bike do things you never thought it would.

Practice Collision Avoidence Techniques in every situation you can think of and then some.

Visualize something hapening every day, " they are all trying to kill me, every day" put it in your head and have fun.
Make the panic situation a game so you can be loose and in control.

see the cars around you, see the problem, see where you have to place yourself and go there.
It is a leadership decision and one you must make, so don't ask for permission, you just take command and go there.

That spices up mundane commutes and some trips where you are feeling a bit pooped.

Missing You All!

Your Pal,

Paul

Soil · 09-27-2009, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by pdxnathan

p.s.: lol Clay posted while I was typing out of Parks' book... man how often do we cross-post??!!

it happens - criss cross postin'!

Lee Parks is one of my favorite BECAUSE of that quote!

There are no ABSOLUTES is one of the things I am trying to say more and more and more!

Nathan - I wanna ride with you man! Oct 5???? orp - pssr? maybe?

Soil · 09-27-2009, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by pv2

Agreed, we discuss theory and application.
To undestand why something works adds credence to the application.
Else people go through motions which later get dumped - along with the rider.

Low pressure on the top of the wing (Ft) creates a vacume over the wing's surface which is greater than the low pressure force over the bottom of the wing Fb. Therefore: Fb>Ft the wing lifts the plane.
a which is described through of Bernoulli's principle in Fluid Dynamics.

So in keeping with YellowPen's theme assertation, Planes Suck!

At least the wings do....

pv2

Vaun - props to you too on the first post using lift...

BUT - with Eleah specifically and ironically, I had to dig deep in my bag of tricks to explain how it works - and "da plane! da plane!" was the answer - but I suggest leaving 'lift' alone (that is WAY hard to grasp) BUT - use just the rudder and body of the plane to execute a turn - that is MUCH easier to 'see' than 'lift' for most. PLUS - it is a lot easier to transfer the 'twist' of the body of the plane from the force on the rudder to the way the force on the side of the front tire makes it want to dip in. (think about it)

Darin · 09-27-2009, 10:35 AM

Good for you Eleah, it makes me allot more comfortable when I understand what I am doing too. 5 years ago I had a bike and I was all over the road in the turns and noticed that I was not looking around the corner, I was looking right at the pavement right in front of me. After I made myself aware of what I was doing I noticed I still kept doing it, I couldn't help it. After 10 laps around Hag lake trying to work it out and hitting the same road multiple times I finally found the bike was doing a slight figure 8 motion in the corners which made me feel out of control in the corners. A simple suspension adjustment and it was fine. I couldn't of fixed the problem until I understood or even knew what the problem was. so I totally see your point. 1 on 1 time is great! I was one of the people that asked if you were ok on multiple occasions but I had assumed it was due to you crash a couple months back because you said you were fine. I was genuinely concerned. Sorry for ASSUMING. Some of us get caught up in our own ride that we don't pay much attention to others ride.

Soil · 09-27-2009, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by pv2

After seeing Nath's post, and understanding his findings on his near brush with ... the other side.

I thought to just pop one more bit of shyte:

The other thing I want to share with us was something my ex-boss told me

"If you get into a bad corner, you look extra hard even harder to where you want to go, twist head body everything, and your bike will take you there."

My thought for us is, you have to employ EVERYTHING to keep from getting dusted sometimes.

Commit yourself to look where you want to go and then some, exaggerate the movement if you have to.

Do not look at the thing you fear, shut it out, cause you will gravitate toward the fear and into .......

A few inches can be the difference between zip lock body bag and posting on the forum.

So this may be of value to someone.

Practice a panic situation, visualize the car coming to you.

moving your head, vision, and body with your countersteer, arms hands loose, giving your suspension max flexibilty.

Look Hard!

Do it a little at a time till you get yourself acustomed to it.

For the un initiated:
That move will make your bike do things you never thought it would.

Practice Collision Avoidence Techniques in every situation you can think of and then some.

Visualize something hapening every day, " they are all trying to kill me, every day" put it in your head and have fun.
Make the panic situation a game so you can be loose and in control.

see the cars around you, see the problem, see where you have to place yourself and go there.
It is a leadership decision and one you must make, so don't ask for permission, you just take command and go there.

That spices up mundane commutes and some trips where you are feeling a bit pooped.

Missing You All!

Your Pal,

Paul

We miss you man! get on a bike in the bay! come get yours for goodness's sakes! (my daughter did a road trip this weekend up here from sac and I could have let her boytoy ride your bike back for you! - no, never, not once has he released a clutch, but I-5 thru sac and bay area traffic is a good initiation!)

about practice:

the teach in team oregon to always be looking for your escape. I want to tweak it a little - always be looking for your 'safety'... in some of the exercises I have folks run through I have to tell them and remind them of their 'out'... or their 'safety lever'.

riding down the road (like Newberry, right CJ?) ALWAYS be looking for that spot that you can safely reduce your speed if needed by braking hard. How often do YOU practice braking? EVERY DAY is the 'right' answer! on the way home, pick a man hole cover (or something) and check your mirrors to ensure it is safe... then STOP as quickly as you can just past your mark. By doing this EVERY DAY you will develop familiarity with your brakes, have a measurable statistic to apply to your riding and LEARN how long it will take you to stop if needed.

what happens when you brake in a corner (NOT using rear, please)?

what happens when you brake HARDER in a corner?

HOW hard can YOU brake in a corner? what are the warning signs that you are about to slip?

just realized something - the ones that I want to tell these things to AREN'T you guys... you guys know this stuff, practice this stuff, etc... I'm getting off line and going OUT THERE and find somebody that NEEDS to hear it today!

ya'll be safe! (oh - I may roll into cactus jacks in a bit Logan!)

pv2 · 09-27-2009, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Soil

Vaun - props to you too on the first post using lift...

BUT - with Eleah specifically and ironically, I had to dig deep in my bag of tricks to explain how it works - and "da plane! da plane!" was the answer - but I suggest leaving 'lift' alone (that is WAY hard to grasp) BUT - use just the rudder and body of the plane to execute a turn - that is MUCH easier to 'see' than 'lift' for most. PLUS - it is a lot easier to transfer the 'twist' of the body of the plane from the force on the rudder to the way the force on the side of the front tire makes it want to dip in. (think about it)

LOL I am in stiches!!!!

Rock on!

Soil · 09-27-2009, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by pv2

LOL I am in stiches!!!!

Rock on!

why?

didn't mean for it to be funny....

oh oh...

pv2 · 09-27-2009, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Soil

We miss you man! get on a bike in the bay! come get yours for goodness's sakes! (my daughter did a road trip this weekend up here from sac and I could have let her boytoy ride your bike back for you! - no, never, not once has he released a clutch, but I-5 thru sac and bay area traffic is a good initiation!)

about practice:

the teach in team oregon to always be looking for your escape. I want to tweak it a little - always be looking for your 'safety'... in some of the exercises I have folks run through I have to tell them and remind them of their 'out'... or their 'safety lever'.

riding down the road (like Newberry, right CJ?) ALWAYS be looking for that spot that you can safely reduce your speed if needed by braking hard. How often do YOU practice braking? EVERY DAY is the 'right' answer! on the way home, pick a man hole cover (or something) and check your mirrors to ensure it is safe... then STOP as quickly as you can just past your mark. By doing this EVERY DAY you will develop familiarity with your brakes, have a measurable statistic to apply to your riding and LEARN how long it will take you to stop if needed.

what happens when you brake in a corner (NOT using rear, please)?

what happens when you brake HARDER in a corner?

HOW hard can YOU brake in a corner? what are the warning signs that you are about to slip?

just realized something - the ones that I want to tell these things to AREN'T you guys... you guys know this stuff, practice this stuff, etc... I'm getting off line and going OUT THERE and find somebody that NEEDS to hear it today!

ya'll be safe! (oh - I may roll into cactus jacks in a bit Logan!)

Clay, Listening to you is where i am at.
If you or other memebers of our team care enough about me to give me a pointer a kind kick in the pants, kool.

I have blind spots, they are not yet idetified in my head; however, hopefully you will help me, hopefully one of our palz will help me, hopefully I will go to a school and will learn something.

Can I improve equimpent?
Leathers, Helmet, Mirrors, tires, brakes, suspension?
Does the engine sound a bit.. off? Dry chain? Fork Leak? Engine Leak?

Want to hear stores about how someone went down, how they avoided biting the earth, about how they got speed through turn 4 at PIR and why they love motorbiking.

I enjoy looking at everyone's bikes and if I see something which may be problematic I'll certainly be good to bring it to their attention

Information is viral, it spreads and you can never tell where it goes and the lives it may touch.

I thank my Mom every once and a time for telling me as a kid to look all around before I cross the street and keep looking as I cross. Don't take for granted that everyting is OK and everyone will stop for you.

Thoguhts about going around blind conrers on freeways, for a car could be stalled out in the fast lane on W bound HY84 by NE 21st as you go into downtown PDX.

Yes, Ma's advise saved my butt a few times.

I am glad to call her, visit her and give thanks!!!

Perhaps, i've got too much time on my hands this day.

But am glad to chat with our group.

Kindest regards,

pv2


09-27-2009, 10:23 AM	#41
pv2 Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2008 From: Portland, Oregon I Ride: 03 RC51 SP-2	After seeing Nath's post, and understanding his findings on his near brush with ... the other side. I thought to just pop one more bit of shyte: The other thing I want to share with us was something my ex-boss told me "If you get into a bad corner, you look extra hard even harder to where you want to go, twist head body everything, and your bike will take you there." My thought for us is, you have to employ EVERYTHING to keep from getting dusted sometimes. Commit yourself to look where you want to go and then some, exaggerate the movement if you have to. Do not look at the thing you fear, shut it out, cause you will gravitate toward the fear and into ....... A few inches can be the difference between zip lock body bag and posting on the forum. So this may be of value to someone. Practice a panic situation, visualize the car coming to you. moving your head, vision, and body with your countersteer, arms hands loose, giving your suspension max flexibilty. Look Hard! Do it a little at a time till you get yourself acustomed to it. For the un initiated: That move will make your bike do things you never thought it would. Practice Collision Avoidence Techniques in every situation you can think of and then some. Visualize something hapening every day, " they are all trying to kill me, every day" put it in your head and have fun. Make the panic situation a game so you can be loose and in control. see the cars around you, see the problem, see where you have to place yourself and go there. It is a leadership decision and one you must make, so don't ask for permission, you just take command and go there. That spices up mundane commutes and some trips where you are feeling a bit pooped. Missing You All! Your Pal, Paul __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by pv2; 09-27-2009 at 10:28 AM..


09-27-2009, 10:35 AM	#44
Darin Endorsed Joined: May 2009 From: Gaston,Oregon I Ride: 91 gsxr750 naked	Good for you Eleah, it makes me allot more comfortable when I understand what I am doing too. 5 years ago I had a bike and I was all over the road in the turns and noticed that I was not looking around the corner, I was looking right at the pavement right in front of me. After I made myself aware of what I was doing I noticed I still kept doing it, I couldn't help it. After 10 laps around Hag lake trying to work it out and hitting the same road multiple times I finally found the bike was doing a slight figure 8 motion in the corners which made me feel out of control in the corners. A simple suspension adjustment and it was fine. I couldn't of fixed the problem until I understood or even knew what the problem was. so I totally see your point. 1 on 1 time is great! I was one of the people that asked if you were ok on multiple occasions but I had assumed it was due to you crash a couple months back because you said you were fine. I was genuinely concerned. Sorry for ASSUMING. Some of us get caught up in our own ride that we don't pay much attention to others ride. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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