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cletus · 10-05-2009, 02:42 PM

Welcome to the club. I did the same thing last year. I didn't realize that I had a problem with fixation until I got up close and personal with a ditch that I got a really good look at before I rode on in. Knowing that I had a problem was half the battle, and now I very deliberately look where I want to be when things start to get exiting. It has only happened a couple of times in the past year, but the technique has saved me.

redridinghood · 10-05-2009, 02:58 PM

Glad your OK

Been trying that wide view road scanning technique they teach at Doc Wong.
Helps avoid obstacles maybe it could help target fixation too?....

PushingTheLimits · 10-05-2009, 03:09 PM

Dont worry man. I wrecked this summer too, Just get back on and continue riding. Fix the mistake and don't give up. Everyone crashes and if you ride long enough you'll crash again. The second crash your going to be like..."not again!" 3rd crash will be like.."damn." 4th crash wont even madder. Haha thats what my dads buddy told me who used to race all the time. Hold your head high and continue riding. Remember, A little damage gives the bike character!

Paytheon · 10-05-2009, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Twisties4me

Your right but it's Slow, Look, Roll, Press. Roll on some throttle before you lean. SLRP slurp corners. Slow enough before the turn so you are comfortable to be off the brakes and rolling on just a bit. Maintain throttle, Press to lean. When you see the exit of the turn Press more to hit the Apex and roll on gently. You might be able to keep rolling on all the way through the turn depending on the turn and what you see.

If you slow enough so you roll before you lean then you will be confident to make the turn. Or if you find you did not judge right and need to slow more you should be much closer to a comfortable speed to use some more brakes and still press to lean while braking and make the corner just fine. Learn from that mistake and do it right on the next one.

Glad your ok!

Add trail braking to the equation and SLRP is a different equation.

crbrlfrost · 10-06-2009, 11:15 AM

Guess I'll go ahead and add myself to the list of stupid lay downs this summer. Yesterday was my first. Gravity always wins.

Twisties4me · 10-06-2009, 12:24 PM

Really target fixation is a symptom and not a cause. The real cause is going too fast into a turn and scaring yourself. Or going too fast for the distance you are looking and getting surprised. Remember 20 scan. Actively and Purposely Look and See whats 20 seconds ahead of you at all times. Look wide and far, glance close.

Catch a cold and you get symptoms, a runny nose and cough. Go faster then your comfort zone into a corner or need a bigger lean angle then you are used to and you get tight, scared, stop scanning and don't look through a turn. You fail to look and press.

Trying to trail brake into every turn on the street is asking for trouble. More then likely you will be over riding your sight distance and would not be able to safely stop if something comes into view that you must stop for.

Will you be trailing off the brakes at a high entrance speed or will you be getting on the brakes even harder while leaned at a high entrance speed, trying to stop for the car that pulls out of a driveway just out of view? Even if nothing gets in your way, trail braking all the time puts you closer to catching some symptoms you don't want.

Learn to trail on or off the brakes while leaned. Learn to change lines and lean angle while on the brakes or throttle. They are great meds to have on hand when you Start to feel a cold coming on. Use them before you get the full blown symptoms. Do not ride on the verge of catching a cold every corner and don't get caught with no meds in the box.

pv2 · 10-07-2009, 05:00 AM

I'd say most people on bikes lose it because they go where their eyes tell them to go.

i have seen some very good track folks just blow it for a moment, fixate on something like a rider going down and viola! they are joining the club.

I have gone off track in my earlier days by looking to where I feared to go and... going!

Again, glad you are OK!

pv2


10-05-2009, 02:42 PM	#41
cletus Training Wheels Joined: May 2009 From: sammamish, wa I Ride: Ducati Monster 695 Suzuki Boulevard C50-T	Welcome to the club. I did the same thing last year. I didn't realize that I had a problem with fixation until I got up close and personal with a ditch that I got a really good look at before I rode on in. Knowing that I had a problem was half the battle, and now I very deliberately look where I want to be when things start to get exiting. It has only happened a couple of times in the past year, but the technique has saved me. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-05-2009, 02:58 PM	#42
redridinghood Training Wheels Joined: Jul 2009 From: tualatin,oregon I Ride: like I stole it	Been There Glad your OK Been trying that wide view road scanning technique they teach at Doc Wong. Helps avoid obstacles maybe it could help target fixation too?.... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-05-2009, 03:09 PM	#43
PushingTheLimits Endorsed Joined: Jan 2009 From: Puyallup I Ride: 2000 ZX7R	Dont worry man. I wrecked this summer too, Just get back on and continue riding. Fix the mistake and don't give up. Everyone crashes and if you ride long enough you'll crash again. The second crash your going to be like..."not again!" 3rd crash will be like.."damn." 4th crash wont even madder. Haha thats what my dads buddy told me who used to race all the time. Hold your head high and continue riding. Remember, A little damage gives the bike character! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-06-2009, 11:15 AM	#45
crbrlfrost Newbie Joined: Jul 2007 From: Portland Oregon	Guess I'll go ahead and add myself to the list of stupid lay downs this summer. Yesterday was my first. Gravity always wins. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-06-2009, 12:24 PM	#46
Twisties4me Zone Head Joined: Aug 2006 From: Banks, Or. I Ride: U ride?	Really target fixation is a symptom and not a cause. The real cause is going too fast into a turn and scaring yourself. Or going too fast for the distance you are looking and getting surprised. Remember 20 scan. Actively and Purposely Look and See whats 20 seconds ahead of you at all times. Look wide and far, glance close. Catch a cold and you get symptoms, a runny nose and cough. Go faster then your comfort zone into a corner or need a bigger lean angle then you are used to and you get tight, scared, stop scanning and don't look through a turn. You fail to look and press. Trying to trail brake into every turn on the street is asking for trouble. More then likely you will be over riding your sight distance and would not be able to safely stop if something comes into view that you must stop for. Will you be trailing off the brakes at a high entrance speed or will you be getting on the brakes even harder while leaned at a high entrance speed, trying to stop for the car that pulls out of a driveway just out of view? Even if nothing gets in your way, trail braking all the time puts you closer to catching some symptoms you don't want. Learn to trail on or off the brakes while leaned. Learn to change lines and lean angle while on the brakes or throttle. They are great meds to have on hand when you Start to feel a cold coming on. Use them before you get the full blown symptoms. Do not ride on the verge of catching a cold every corner and don't get caught with no meds in the box. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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10-07-2009, 05:00 AM	#47
pv2 Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2008 From: Portland, Oregon I Ride: 03 RC51 SP-2	I'd say most people on bikes lose it because they go where their eyes tell them to go. i have seen some very good track folks just blow it for a moment, fixate on something like a rider going down and viola! they are joining the club. I have gone off track in my earlier days by looking to where I feared to go and... going! Again, glad you are OK! pv2 __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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