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09-27-2011, 03:23 PM
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| Licensed  Joined: Sep 2011 From: Portland, OR I Ride: 2008 Ducati 1098 | 
I guess I'm trying to compare thought process on who was at fault for the accident. In my opinion the officer driving the police car was at fault for the crash only if the crash was not induced by some outside act out of her control; say like a deer jumped out and she employed evasive action and lost control or something. The only thing we (the public) know is that she crashed a patrol car while traveling well above the ability of the vehicle in the conditions at hand, and as such being the dull minded public that we are, we immediatletly begin making assumptions on who as at fault. A court of law would obviously rule that the MC was at fault for the accident but in my opinion the courts are not always realists either. In a court of law the homeoner is at fault for me tripping on the sidewalk and injuring myself.  | |
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09-27-2011, 03:24 PM
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09-27-2011, 03:30 PM
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| Endorsed Joined: Jan 2011 From: Vancouver, WA I Ride: '82 Yamaha XJ1100J | Bottom line, a speeding violation is not worth the injury or death of me or any of my friends or relatives. Don't say " well what if the guy on the bike was going 150 and hit me"...because having a cop chasing him wouldn't prevent that now would it... The cops have to face the reality that sometimes catching the bad guys isn't worth the price...and besides, if you speed enough eventually you'll pay the price one way or another. Speeders are easy tickets and easy money, real crime isn't. |
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09-27-2011, 03:32 PM
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| Railer  Joined: Apr 2011 From: Portland I Ride: Yamaha Warrior |
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09-27-2011, 03:39 PM
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| Newbie Joined: Sep 2011 From: Beaverton, OR |
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09-27-2011, 03:48 PM
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| Railer Joined: Apr 2011 From: Portland I Ride: Yamaha Warrior |
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09-27-2011, 03:59 PM
| #67 | |
| Licensed Joined: Jan 2011 From: Hermiston, Or. I Ride: Harley, softail |
Did the home owner cause the tree root to damage the side walk? People refuse to accept responsibility for thier own actions and expect someone else to "protect them from harm", pay attention to what you are doing and where you are! Now in the matter of the damaged police cruiser. She is a "sworn officer". Her job is to enforce the laws of the state. The patrol car was damaged in an attempt to catch a speeder that was 19mph over the speed limit, When the operator of the mc decided not to stop for the officer, he/she became a felon, at that point the officer has a responsibility to apprehend the suspect and use any means required to do so. Evidently the officer envolved need more training in the limitations of the patrol car under adverse road conditions. Last edited by fxstbiluigi; 09-27-2011 at 04:02 PM.. | |
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09-27-2011, 04:07 PM
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| Moto2 Contender   Joined: Jul 2006 From: Pullman, WA I Ride: '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory, '07 Vstar 1100 Classic |
What do we always say? Ride your own ride? Don't ride over your level? I'm not saying the rider isn't guilty...far from it. I'm saying she should have never chased in those conditions, in that car, under a non-pursuit order. She's more to blame for the crash than he is, in this case. As for the rider, he's just another d-bag making us, as a group, look bad. I'm not above looking at some dashcam footage and helping I.D. him...as long as OSP is willing to admit to their own faults in this matter. | |
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09-27-2011, 04:38 PM
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| Moto2 Contender  Joined: Sep 2008 From: where they don't have lawns. I Ride: Red bike, Brown truck, various collections of junk held together poorly. |
Bottom line is it was a single vehicle crash with no other factors like deer, rocks or little kids running out out in the road. 74 is still speeding yes. When she realized the motorcycle was running and that she was not going to catch it, she should have broken off for her own safety and that of others on the road. They won't release the dash cam footage until the investigation is over because it is evidence so those calling for it are out of luck. If there was in fact a motorcyclist involved the rider is a jackass, but not at fault for the crash. Ghetto D, you are a dumb shit. Enjoy your red dot. | |
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09-27-2011, 05:24 PM
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| Endorsed  Joined: Jul 2011 From: Tualatin Or I Ride: 94 CBR F2 (sold) 06 CBR 600rr (sold) 06 zx6r (Current) | http://kptv.m0bl.net/w/news-local/story/40914101/ The guy turned himself in. Why run then turn yourself in? |
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09-27-2011, 05:28 PM
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| Superbiker  Joined: Mar 2010 From: Rock Island,WA/ Volcano, HI I Ride: ^That^ |
 What a dumbass! | |
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09-27-2011, 05:33 PM
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| Pit Crew  Joined: Oct 2010 From: Snohomish, WA I Ride: 2005 GSX-R600 |
The simplest answer is usually correct. As for the people who "lay their bikes down" (read: lose control), I have the same opinion. Up until you are acted upon directly by an outside impact, controlling your vehicle is your responsibility. I don't need to "win" the argument, certainly not in a court of law. And yes, I'm aware that the cost of the vehicle would be added to the fine. I'm not defending the rider. He/she is a felon, and deserves the appropriate punishment. I hope they are caught. If it was a driver of a car that ran, my answer would be the same. A single vehicle accident is a single vehicle accident. It's like an airplane crash... there are two options for the cause. Either it's mechanical failure, or it's pilot error. My point is this.... I make no distinction between LEO's and ordinary citizens when it comes to the endangerment of the public. If someone robs me and I decide to chase them in my car, and ram it into a ditch at high speed, you can bet that I'll be issued a few citations. I'm responsible for the operation of my motor vehicle. The sidewalk crack/broken ankle/sued homeowner scenario has been discussed. In short, just because a court of law says it, doesn't mean it's not just dumb. Last edited by mulletman; 09-27-2011 at 05:36 PM.. | |
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09-27-2011, 05:34 PM
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| Shredical | Interesting choice. It'd be pretty damn obvious to never get caught for that! I'm also pretty sure it would be easy to get away with this with just a decent laywer. The officers judgement is highly questionable as their judgement led to the a significant accident. Of course, this is Oregon, and you're guilty if it's even remotely possible that it went the way the officer says. |
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09-27-2011, 05:51 PM
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| Endorsed  Joined: May 2009 From: Dundeeberg, OR |
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09-27-2011, 05:58 PM
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| Endorsed Joined: Jul 2011 From: Tualatin Or I Ride: 94 CBR F2 (sold) 06 CBR 600rr (sold) 06 zx6r (Current) |
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09-27-2011, 05:58 PM
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| Chicken Strips  Joined: May 2007 From: Vancouver, WA I Ride: sweep |
Looks like I'll be eating crow for dinner tonight. I totally thought it was Armand  | |
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09-27-2011, 06:03 PM
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| Superbiker  Joined: Apr 2006 From: Tri-Cities, WA I Ride: Hither, Thither and Yon ... mostly day rides | This is way too serious a thread -
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09-27-2011, 08:34 PM
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| Shredder  Joined: Apr 2006 From: Auburn & Longview I Ride: '12 Aprilia Tuono & '06 DRZ SM |
If he wants to keep on riding he would of been caught sooner or later. | |
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