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Old 09-27-2011, 03:23 PM   #61
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My ego is just fine, thanks for asking though. I don't have a problem with poking a little fun, but at least show a little respect for the people who get up everyday, put on a uniform and risk their lives protecting people they don't even know. On top of that, they get shit on for it, by those same people no less.

I'm not grasping at any straws. I'm just throwing out some hypothetical situations that could easily change the outlook of some people.

Funny how people have nothing good to say about cops until they need one.



I don't recall any statements from the her regarding who was as fault. Again, that outlook is a little simplistic. You should tell that idea to all the folks on here that lay their bikes down to avoid an accident. How is the motorcycle not responsible for the accident? Sorry, but that is an argument you won't win, especially not in a court of law. If this guy had been caught, you can be damn sure the cost of repairing that cruiser would be added to the fine. Each jurisdiction has different rules regarding chases and when to break them off. I challenge anyone here to find a single rule that she broke.

I really wonder what the responses would have been if it was a car that ran, or if the rider had gotten caught. Actually I don't have to wonder as I've seen the responses before and it was the exact opposite.
This thread was a great read. Alot of differences of opinions, some right, some wrong. I guess I should keep my "mouth" shut here but I dont understand the "who was at fault thing".......In my opinion if I trip on the sidewalk that is raised due to a tree root and break my arm (or whatever; injur myself in someway) is it my fault because I wasn't paying attention to where I was going or was it the sidewalks fault for being raised up or was it the homeowners fault because they didnt do the responsible thing and have the sidewalk repaired?

I guess I'm trying to compare thought process on who was at fault for the accident. In my opinion the officer driving the police car was at fault for the crash only if the crash was not induced by some outside act out of her control; say like a deer jumped out and she employed evasive action and lost control or something. The only thing we (the public) know is that she crashed a patrol car while traveling well above the ability of the vehicle in the conditions at hand, and as such being the dull minded public that we are, we immediatletly begin making assumptions on who as at fault. A court of law would obviously rule that the MC was at fault for the accident but in my opinion the courts are not always realists either. In a court of law the homeoner is at fault for me tripping on the sidewalk and injuring myself.

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Old 09-27-2011, 03:24 PM   #62
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Anyone that has watched Fahrenheit 9/11 knows how many OSP officers are on border patrol (it was two for the entire shoreline of Oregon at the time of filming). I imagine they are probably quite understaffed in some areas.
There's no point patrolling the Oregon border. The hipsters are getting direct deposited here via airplanes.

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Old 09-27-2011, 03:30 PM   #63
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Bottom line, a speeding violation is not worth the injury or death of me or any of my friends or relatives. Don't say " well what if the guy on the bike was going 150 and hit me"...because having a cop chasing him wouldn't prevent that now would it...
The cops have to face the reality that sometimes catching the bad guys isn't worth the price...and besides, if you speed enough eventually you'll pay the price one way or another.
Speeders are easy tickets and easy money, real crime isn't.

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Old 09-27-2011, 03:32 PM   #64
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If you're bleeding out and a cop is on the way to respond, you will die. An EMT is what you'll need
Yeah, I know. But the cop is usually the first on the scene. And even a cop can jam a QuikClot into a hole.

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Old 09-27-2011, 03:39 PM   #65
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Yeah, I know. But the cop is usually the first on the scene. And even a cop can jam a QuikClot into a hole.
Tromatic, how does it feel to always be so right on the Internet?

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Old 09-27-2011, 03:48 PM   #66
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Tromatic, how does it feel to always be so right on the Internet?
Well, I do have a 50-50 chance. Plus, it's just like, my opinion, dude.

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Old 09-27-2011, 03:59 PM   #67
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This thread was a great read. Alot of differences of opinions, some right, some wrong. I guess I should keep my "mouth" shut here but I dont understand the "who was at fault thing".......In my opinion if I trip on the sidewalk that is raised due to a tree root and break my arm (or whatever; injur myself in someway) is it my fault because I wasn't paying attention to where I was going or was it the sidewalks fault for being raised up or was it the homeowners fault because they didnt do the responsible thing and have the sidewalk repaired?

I guess I'm trying to compare thought process on who was at fault for the accident. In my opinion the officer driving the police car was at fault for the crash only if the crash was not induced by some outside act out of her control; say like a deer jumped out and she employed evasive action and lost control or something. The only thing we (the public) know is that she crashed a patrol car while traveling well above the ability of the vehicle in the conditions at hand, and as such being the dull minded public that we are, we immediatletly begin making assumptions on who as at fault. A court of law would obviously rule that the MC was at fault for the accident but in my opinion the courts are not always realists either. In a court of law the homeoner is at fault for me tripping on the sidewalk and injuring myself.
This type of thinking is partially what is wrong with society today.
Did the home owner cause the tree root to damage the side walk?
People refuse to accept responsibility for thier own actions and expect someone else to "protect them from harm", pay attention to what you are doing and where you are!
Now in the matter of the damaged police cruiser. She is a "sworn officer".
Her job is to enforce the laws of the state. The patrol car was damaged in an attempt to catch a speeder that was 19mph over the speed limit, When the operator of the mc decided not to stop for the officer, he/she became a felon, at that point the officer has a responsibility to apprehend the suspect
and use any means required to do so. Evidently the officer envolved need more training in the limitations of the patrol car under adverse road conditions.

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Old 09-27-2011, 04:07 PM   #68
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...she wouldn't have been going as fast if she wasn't chasing a motorcyclist that was eluding...
Exactly. She shouldn't have been chasing...period.

What do we always say? Ride your own ride? Don't ride over your level?

I'm not saying the rider isn't guilty...far from it. I'm saying she should have never chased in those conditions, in that car, under a non-pursuit order. She's more to blame for the crash than he is, in this case.

As for the rider, he's just another d-bag making us, as a group, look bad. I'm not above looking at some dashcam footage and helping I.D. him...as long as OSP is willing to admit to their own faults in this matter.

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Old 09-27-2011, 04:38 PM   #69
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In the officers defense that spot where she crashed is directly after a pretty tight corner, the picture obviously doesn't show it very well. I have been around that corner a thousand times in a car, usually going around 65 mph and that is almost too fast.

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Pretty tight? Get a better shot of that corner.
Bottom line is it was a single vehicle crash with no other factors like deer, rocks or little kids running out out in the road. 74 is still speeding yes. When she realized the motorcycle was running and that she was not going to catch it, she should have broken off for her own safety and that of others on the road.
They won't release the dash cam footage until the investigation is over because it is evidence so those calling for it are out of luck.
If there was in fact a motorcyclist involved the rider is a jackass, but not at fault for the crash.

Ghetto D, you are a dumb shit. Enjoy your red dot.

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Old 09-27-2011, 05:24 PM   #70
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http://kptv.m0bl.net/w/news-local/story/40914101/

The guy turned himself in. Why run then turn yourself in?

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Old 09-27-2011, 05:28 PM   #71
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The guy turned himself in. Why run then turn yourself in?
WTF?

What a dumbass!

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Old 09-27-2011, 05:33 PM   #72
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I don't recall any statements from her regarding who was as fault. Again, that outlook is a little simplistic. You should tell that idea to all the folks on here that lay their bikes down to avoid an accident. How is the motorcycle not responsible for the accident? Sorry, but that is an argument you won't win, especially not in a court of law. If this guy had been caught, you can be damn sure the cost of repairing that cruiser would be added to the fine. Each jurisdiction has different rules regarding chases and when to break them off. I challenge anyone here to find a single rule that she broke.

I really wonder what the responses would have been if it was a car that ran, or if the rider had gotten caught. Actually I don't have to wonder as I've seen the responses before and it was the exact opposite.
I'm not interested in her statements, it was you I was replying to.

The simplest answer is usually correct. As for the people who "lay their bikes down" (read: lose control), I have the same opinion. Up until you are acted upon directly by an outside impact, controlling your vehicle is your responsibility. I don't need to "win" the argument, certainly not in a court of law. And yes, I'm aware that the cost of the vehicle would be added to the fine.

I'm not defending the rider. He/she is a felon, and deserves the appropriate punishment. I hope they are caught. If it was a driver of a car that ran, my answer would be the same. A single vehicle accident is a single vehicle accident. It's like an airplane crash... there are two options for the cause. Either it's mechanical failure, or it's pilot error.

My point is this.... I make no distinction between LEO's and ordinary citizens when it comes to the endangerment of the public. If someone robs me and I decide to chase them in my car, and ram it into a ditch at high speed, you can bet that I'll be issued a few citations. I'm responsible for the operation of my motor vehicle. The sidewalk crack/broken ankle/sued homeowner scenario has been discussed. In short, just because a court of law says it, doesn't mean it's not just dumb.

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Old 09-27-2011, 05:33 PM   #73
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WTF?

What a dumbass!

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Old 09-27-2011, 05:34 PM   #74
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Interesting choice. It'd be pretty damn obvious to never get caught for that!

I'm also pretty sure it would be easy to get away with this with just a decent laywer. The officers judgement is highly questionable as their judgement led to the a significant accident. Of course, this is Oregon, and you're guilty if it's even remotely possible that it went the way the officer says.

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Old 09-27-2011, 05:51 PM   #75
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http://kptv.m0bl.net/w/news-local/story/40914101/

The guy turned himself in. Why run then turn yourself in?
Maybe the guy has a conscience. He made a mistake and is willing to pay for it. Good for him.

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Old 09-27-2011, 05:58 PM   #76
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Maybe the guy has a conscience. He made a mistake and is willing to pay for it. Good for him.
Maybe his conscience should have told him to stop in the first place. But he didn't have a license. That usually means no insurance. His eluding kept him from having his bike impounded. No sure what I think about this.

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Old 09-27-2011, 05:58 PM   #77
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Maybe the guy has a conscience. He made a mistake and is willing to pay for it. Good for him.
"Thanks to the public's help and the ongoing investigation, 30-year-old Nicholas Boehler III fully cooperated with investigation. Boehler was cited and will appear in court Oct. 24 for charges including attempt to elude using a motor vehicle, reckless driving, speeding and no operator's license."

Looks like I'll be eating crow for dinner tonight. I totally thought it was Armand

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Old 09-27-2011, 05:59 PM   #78
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Glad the officer is OK...but it appears that it is possible to "out run the radio" in some cases.

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Old 09-27-2011, 06:03 PM   #79
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This is way too serious a thread -

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They let women drive police cars? crazy!
so picking up on BMX's comment, an oldie but goodie:

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Old 09-27-2011, 08:34 PM   #80
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The guy turned himself in. Why run then turn yourself in?
Westport is a very small town. Only route out of there is Hwy30 east or west or water ferry across to Wa.

If he wants to keep on riding he would of been caught sooner or later.

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