Are some of us targets?? - Page 2

mcthuggy · 08-15-2012, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Desvio

Ready for it.......

Heeeeeeere it comes.........

... because it deserved to be seen again. This is amazing.

Originally Posted by loknload

Very rarely is there a situation where it is not safe to come to a stop.

Wrong. EVERY time there is a vehicle behind me when I see a light turn yellow, I run the yellow. It's safer for me as a rider to get through the intersection than come to a quick stop with an idiot cager behind me who is probably eating a burger or texting "lol" to their bff. Cop wants to pull me over? Fine. I'd rather pay a ticket than be dead/injured.

taznhell · 08-15-2012, 01:09 PM

Had a friend that stopped just as a light turned yellow from green. Complete and safe stop wheels ceased motion behind the white line. He was attentive, responsible and obeying the law. The person behind him slammed into his bike from the rear catapulting him into the intersection. The driver that hit him said he saw the light change from green to yellow and figured the bike would have sped through not stopped so he accelerated in antcipation of that happening. The driver was charged with inatentive driving, failure to obey a traffic signal and vehicular manslaughter.

Since then if I am at the light and it is just changing with traffic behind me I will go through if I know it wont be red until after I am across the intersection. If no traffic behind me I stop.

DrVencman · 08-15-2012, 01:44 PM

Wow, quite a few different responses appreciate the feedback. No I did not roll on the throttle and really speed up... Yeah cop could have ticketed me but realized I maybe made a bad decision. I just had a split second to decide... Don't want to get hit from behind! Aren't our brakes "better" than cars??

Oh, and the only reason why I took a picture was because a friend just happened to be texting me while I was waiting so I took a quick pic.

Runout · 08-15-2012, 01:55 PM

Getting stopped for running yellows is well documented here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt-Ht...7&feature=plcp

K2TheM · 08-15-2012, 02:11 PM

I've received two Yellow light tickets. In Oregon yellow lights are not yellow lights. There are Green lights, and there are two red lights, one is just discolored.

Sirena · 08-15-2012, 02:37 PM

I often run yellow lights if I am otherwise going to be the first vehicle waiting at the intersection. (I know this is illegal) I have been in two "fender-benders' while in a car and don't EVER want a car's fender catching me on two wheels

cletus · 08-15-2012, 03:11 PM

I've never heard of a "yellow light" ticket.

Must be another wierd Or-we-gone thing.

mcthuggy · 08-15-2012, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Runout

Getting stopped for running yellows is well documented here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt-Ht...7&feature=plcp

Actually, he lists the violations as:
- tail light out
- something protruding from his helmet
- not having his license

I've never heard of a protrusion law - and I've spent the last 15 minutes reviewing the RCW and ORS (just in case) and there is no specific law against protrusions. They both just require DOT approval.

Upon further searching I found this from FMCSA #218
"S5.5 Projections. A helmet shall not have any rigid projections inside its shell. Rigid projections outside any helmet's shell shall be limited to those required for operation of essential accessories, and shall not protrude more than 0.20 inch (5 mm)."

...but doesn't this make police helmets illegal because of the communication device? They definitely protrude more than .20".

Also I hate when cops or anyone, for that matter) cite laws, but they don't actually know them. If you're going to cite it, back it up with some education!

Bing44 · 08-15-2012, 06:12 PM

Would Velcro (hook and loop) or double-sided tape be considered rigid? But then, who wants their $300 Go Pro entrusted to that type of mount.

jim

loknload · 08-15-2012, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Veloc

Right there. See that? That's the loophole. Unless you're at least two seconds away from the intersection, it's not safe to attempt a stop. Following distance laws are set by that very same metric. Two seconds. If you have to hammer the brakes, it wasn't safe to stop.

Also, I never said you didn't have to clear the intersection. "Think of rush hour or high traffic times and vehicles keep entering the intersection on yellow until the light turns solid red." If you can't clear the intersection, it's illegal to enter said intersection, even on green. So if you can't make it through the intersection before that light turns red, yes, it's running the light. Yellows are set up to be a specific duration based on the expected speed of traffic for that road. It is to allow enough time for traffic to safely stop and clear the intersection before the light turns red. If a safe, controlled stop is not possible, then you are A-OK to pass through the intersection as long as you make it more than half-way before the light turns red.

Because see, quite a few of the laws are indeed subjective. I can pretty safely stop from 45mph to zero within feet on my R6, but to make that same stop on my wife's CM it takes yards (crappy drum brakes). Same thing with my S2000 - feet vs. my old Hornet - yards.

So to restate what I said earlier: Endos be totes safe, like fo-sho.

^^ That's called sarcasm. Grenading the brakes is never safe. If you cruise through a yellow and make it to the other side before the light turns red, by definition you were too close to safely stop because, "Yellows are set up to be a specific duration based on the expected speed of traffic for that road." That right there is why many municipalities are getting into trouble with their red light cameras - they shorten the duration of the yellow below the minimum safe duration in order to cause people to run the light and generate revenue (Beaverton did the opposite - only place I've ever seen 8-second lights for a 45mph road). There are established minimums based on expected speeds of the traffic on a given road (note: didn't say speed limits - that's what traffic surveys are for). Localities get sued for that crap.

So again, if you make it without speeding, you are fine because the DOT itself has determined what reasonable stopping distance is for that road, and you weren't that far back. That's *why* the law has that little loophole.

I understand your reasoning, I just commented on the legal advice you gave out. It does not matter if you don't speed up and make it to the other side before the light turns red. It is still illegal according to the Oregon Revised Statutes. I don't want to see somebody get pinched and then say "I read that if I didn't speed up and made it through before the light turned red, it was legal." I'm not saying I haven't done it but I expect to get a ticket for it if I get stopped. I've also seen a whole bunch of these go to trial throughout Washington and Multnomah Counties and haven't seen a judge buy off on "I didn't think it was safe to stop." You usually get the comeback I regurgitated, "If you are doing the speed limit and are looking up and paying attention, you should have plenty of time to stop safely."

BusaDave · 08-15-2012, 06:22 PM

The police helmets would not be illegal because they would be" required for operation of essential accessories" ie....their radio. They can't do the job without the radio.

NOLAduck · 08-15-2012, 09:21 PM

I think your are looking at this all wrong. Why would you want to run a yellow light? I see close calls every day. The only person that can keep you safe is YOU. YOU are invisible to everyone except the police. If you don't want to be targeted, don't ride a motorcycle. Right or wrong, the reputation of every careless rider precedes you. You have the ability to stop quickly, and if the light turns yellow.. stop. If you don't stop, and run the yellow, don't be surprised if you get pulled over, and feel lucky if you only receive a warning. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is your safety. If someone rearends you and you are killed, does it really matter who was at fault? You're dead, and you could have possibly avoided it by keeping an eye on your rear view mirror, not just what's going on in front of you. I had to do a very quick brake a couple days ago on the milwaukie expressway, and I ride a 750 pound cruiser. Instead of putting energy into conspircy theories, practice your quick braking, and other safety maneuvers. I have two coworkers who have been rearended on their bikes in the last couple months, and neither one of them were watching what was going on behind them. Be safe!


08-15-2012, 01:09 PM	#22
taznhell Shredder Joined: Jul 2008 From: Cornelius, Oregon I Ride: Everyday	Had a friend that stopped just as a light turned yellow from green. Complete and safe stop wheels ceased motion behind the white line. He was attentive, responsible and obeying the law. The person behind him slammed into his bike from the rear catapulting him into the intersection. The driver that hit him said he saw the light change from green to yellow and figured the bike would have sped through not stopped so he accelerated in antcipation of that happening. The driver was charged with inatentive driving, failure to obey a traffic signal and vehicular manslaughter. Since then if I am at the light and it is just changing with traffic behind me I will go through if I know it wont be red until after I am across the intersection. If no traffic behind me I stop. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-15-2012, 01:44 PM	#23
DrVencman Newbie Joined: May 2012 From: Hillsboro I Ride: Kawasaki ZZR600	Wow, quite a few different responses appreciate the feedback. No I did not roll on the throttle and really speed up... Yeah cop could have ticketed me but realized I maybe made a bad decision. I just had a split second to decide... Don't want to get hit from behind! Aren't our brakes "better" than cars?? Oh, and the only reason why I took a picture was because a friend just happened to be texting me while I was waiting so I took a quick pic. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-15-2012, 02:11 PM	#25
K2TheM Streetfighter Joined: Apr 2006 From: Vancouver, WA I Ride: '95 Yamaha XT350	I've received two Yellow light tickets. In Oregon yellow lights are not yellow lights. There are Green lights, and there are two red lights, one is just discolored. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-15-2012, 02:37 PM	#26
Sirena Pit Crew Joined: Jun 2008 From: Portland, OR I Ride: Ducati Monster 620 & Yamaha Vino 125	I often run yellow lights if I am otherwise going to be the first vehicle waiting at the intersection. (I know this is illegal) I have been in two "fender-benders' while in a car and don't EVER want a car's fender catching me on two wheels __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-15-2012, 03:11 PM	#27
cletus Shredder Joined: May 2009 From: sammamish, wa I Ride: 2006 Suzuki GSXR 600; 2007 Yamaha FZ1 (the Mrs.'s bike)	I've never heard of a "yellow light" ticket. Must be another wierd Or-we-gone thing. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-15-2012, 06:12 PM	#29
Bing44 Peg Dragger Joined: Sep 2007 From: Independence, Oregon I Ride: 07 FZ1, '11 DR-Z 400S	Would Velcro (hook and loop) or double-sided tape be considered rigid? But then, who wants their $300 Go Pro entrusted to that type of mount. jim __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-15-2012, 06:22 PM	#31
BusaDave Peg Dragger Joined: Jul 2010 From: Lacey, Wa Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: Busa, KTM	The police helmets would not be illegal because they would be" required for operation of essential accessories" ie....their radio. They can't do the job without the radio. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-15-2012, 09:21 PM	#32
NOLAduck Training Wheels Joined: Oct 2011 From: Milwaukie, Oregon I Ride: 2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600	I think your are looking at this all wrong. Why would you want to run a yellow light? I see close calls every day. The only person that can keep you safe is YOU. YOU are invisible to everyone except the police. If you don't want to be targeted, don't ride a motorcycle. Right or wrong, the reputation of every careless rider precedes you. You have the ability to stop quickly, and if the light turns yellow.. stop. If you don't stop, and run the yellow, don't be surprised if you get pulled over, and feel lucky if you only receive a warning. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is your safety. If someone rearends you and you are killed, does it really matter who was at fault? You're dead, and you could have possibly avoided it by keeping an eye on your rear view mirror, not just what's going on in front of you. I had to do a very quick brake a couple days ago on the milwaukie expressway, and I ride a 750 pound cruiser. Instead of putting energy into conspircy theories, practice your quick braking, and other safety maneuvers. I have two coworkers who have been rearended on their bikes in the last couple months, and neither one of them were watching what was going on behind them. Be safe! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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