66yr old on cycle killed by 15yr old in van - Page 3

TwistedTimes · 09-29-2012, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by ddonacazx12

I learned to drive in a big block chrystler powered (stroker motor no less...) dodge "tradesman 100" shorty' van... and yes I was perfect at it:
- never drove in the ditch
- never crossed the centerline
- never killed anybody

Again if you KILL SOMEONE through your mistake (not premeditated) that is vehicular manslaughter.

Now next time he kills somebody 5-10-15 years from now his attourney will argue "he's never done anything like this before, see.. he has a clean record" and then he'll get away with that "murder" too.

People need to be held accountable for their actions!!! ( you can be damn sure if he was on a sport bike and killed a bycyclist or a pedestrian, they would not be "thinking about" weather to charge him or not... )

He's a minor, the WORST he could get would be 6 years in a juvie facility...

but at least he would be HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE LIFE HE TOOK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

emotions are running high (as they should be), no need to go after each other you know, especially the moderators (

???) so voice your thoughts and supports for the riders family peoples, we're (mostly) on the same side here....

Rest in Peace rider.

Nathan · 09-29-2012, 10:24 PM

Another reason why I don't like riding at night.

dwschultzy · 09-30-2012, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Desvio

THIS is the typical bullshit this site is famous for. Just like rabid little cunts you get on here and post like you know how everything in the world is supposed to be according to YOU without having a fucking clue of what really happened.

Maybe you need to leave this site, if it is indeed the typical bullshit that it's famous for.

Many of us learned to drive in vehicles that were oversized. It's the product of the vehicles that were present when we were all learning to drive. Small cars were simply not around.
That said.
Just because you learned just fine, doesn't mean that others did.

Just because you were ok with a large vehicle to start off with, doesn't mean others are.

I simply don't think the majority of the youth of today has the mental capacity to operate a motor vehicle at 15 or 16 these days. Let alone a vehicle that most adults don't have the ability to drive.

Look at modern cars for example. Auto manufacturers are coming out with parking sensors...? Auto manufacturers are coming out with cars that will parallel park for you....? WTF?
Why are manufacturers making cars easier to park and drive in city environments? Because the customers are to stupid to operate the vehicles, thats why.

Nathan · 09-30-2012, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Desvio

THIS is the typical bullshit this site is famous for. Just like rabid little cunts you get on here and post like you know how everything in the world is supposed to be according to YOU without having a fucking clue of what really happened.

Geez.

You're friggin' nuts. Not sure who decided you should be a moderator, but your status should definitely be reconsidered.

Desvio · 09-30-2012, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by dwschultzy

Maybe you need to leave this site, if it is indeed the typical bullshit that it's famous for.

Good thing everyone knows you're a troll Donny, when was the last time someone gave a shit what you think.

Originally Posted by Nathan

Geez.

You're friggin' nuts. Not sure who decided you should be a moderator, but your status should definitely be reconsidered.

You're saying the moderators should be void of their own opinion?

TwistedTimes · 09-30-2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Desvio

Good thing everyone knows you're a troll Donny, when was the last time someone gave a shit what you think.

You're saying the moderators should be void of their own opinion?

what is this garbage? we're not in the NFL, the rules apply to you as much as everyone else here!

PNW Riders has a moderating system in place, where we issue warnings and infractions based on the following violations:
1. Personal attacks
2. Threatening people
3. Provoking or baiting people for the purpose of getting a negative reaction
4. Brand bashing of a serious nature
5. Posting a thread with an ending or outcome and not labeling it Spoiler in the Thread Title
6. Posting NWS content outside the designated NWS area
7. User names containing vulgar, obscene, profane, or hate-based content
8. Material that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, racial and/or ethnic slurs; hateful content; or otherwise objectionable
9. Alternate user account
10. Foul language in a Thread Title
11. Advertising
12. No Nonsense

http://pnwriders.com/about/community-guidelines

i can count 4 rules you're violating in just your last 2 posts, and 2 of them i've been infracted for!

this is the BS that has made PNWriders a MUCH MUCH LESS popular website... so how about some equality and give yourself some infractioning love!

Desvio · 09-30-2012, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by TwistedTimes

what is this garbage? we're not in the NFL, the rules apply to you as much as everyone else here!

http://pnwriders.com/about/community-guidelines

i can count 4 rules you're violating in just your last 2 posts, and 2 of them i've been infracted for!

this is the BS that has made PNWriders a MUCH MUCH LESS popular website... so how about some equality and give yourself some infractioning love!

Always able to police up on someone else, but yet by admitting you've received infractions you can't police up on your own actions. Nice... You're over exaggeration and misinterpretation of the rules is pretty pretty typical.

dwschultzy · 09-30-2012, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Desvio

Good thing everyone knows you're a troll Donny, when was the last time someone gave a shit what you think.

Actually, if you must know. I'd be willing to bet money that more listen to what I have to say on this site than what you have to say.

Up until you becoming a moderator, your presence was next to nothing. The only way you've even become somewhat known as a regular on this site, has been because of your moderator status. Most of which has been a joke. What sections do you moderate again? What relevance do you really have around here?

You're a fucking joke. Someone post's up their opinion based on a topic and you use your status on this site as a method to try and berate them.

TwistedTimes · 09-30-2012, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Desvio

Always able to police up on someone else, but yet by admitting you've received infractions you can't police up on your own actions. Nice... You're over exaggeration and misinterpretation of the rules is pretty pretty typical.

you're missing a key diference... whom it's comming from! because i don't have the term "moderator" under my lil picture.

lena · 09-30-2012, 10:53 AM

If this thread is to remain open, some of you need to tone down your opinions. I understand this is a touchy topic, yet if I see more personal attacks, I will close the thread and hand out infractions if necessary, mods or not. Consider this a warning.

Yes, moderators are allowed to express their opinions just like anyone else. Yet it's not OK for moderators to break rules, same as for anyone else.

dwschultzy · 09-30-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Desvio

THIS is the typical bullshit this site is famous for. Just like rabid little cunts you get on here and post like you know how everything in the world is supposed to be according to YOU without having a fucking clue of what really happened.

Originally Posted by Desvio

Always able to police up on someone else, but yet by admitting you've received infractions you can't police up on your own actions. Nice... You're over exaggeration and misinterpretation of the rules is pretty pretty typical.

Actually, his post isn't trying to police anyone else. He's pointing out your ability to be a huge hypocrite. And there is no over exaggeation or misinterpretation of any rules. Your post had nothing to do with the topic. It had everything to do with berating a long time member of this site. Someone who has contributed 10 times more than you ever will. Because he didn't share your same opinion.

Instead of posting a differencing of opinion. You attacked the person. You should be infracted for your post. You should be removed from being a moderator if you can't play by the rules you "enforce".

RedKat600 · 09-30-2012, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by dwschultzy

Actually, if you must know. I'd be willing to bet money that more listen to what I have to say on this site than what you have to say.

Up until you becoming a moderator, your presence was next to nothing. The only way you've even become somewhat known as a regular on this site, has been because of your moderator status. Most of which has been a joke. What sections do you moderate again? What relevance do you really have around here?

You're a fucking joke. Someone post's up their opinion based on a topic and you use your status on this site as a method to try and berate them.

Originally Posted by dwschultzy

Actually, his post isn't trying to police anyone else. He's pointing out your ability to be a huge hypocrite. And there is no over exaggeation or misinterpretation of any rules. Your post had nothing to do with the topic. It had everything to do with berating a long time member of this site. Someone who has contributed 10 times more than you ever will. Because he didn't share your same opinion.

Instead of posting a differencing of opinion. You attacked the person. You should be infracted for your post. You should be removed from being a moderator if you can't play by the rules you "enforce".

and kettle.

1badhusky · 09-30-2012, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Desvio

THIS is the typical bullshit this site is famous for. Just like rabid little cunts you get on here and post like you know how everything in the world is supposed to be according to YOU without having a fucking clue of what really happened.

Wait a minute...you're the moderator up in here?

yard sale · 09-30-2012, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Desvio

THIS is the typical bullshit this site is famous for. Just like rabid little cunts you get on here and post like you know how everything in the world is supposed to be according to YOU without having a fucking clue of what really happened.

Originally Posted by Desvio

Good thing everyone knows you're a troll Donny, when was the last time someone gave a shit what you think.

You're saying the moderators should be void of their own opinion?

There is a significant difference between expressing a opinion and calling someone a cunt. Specially when they make a valid point.

It's pretty clear to me that you are actually what's wrong with this site. Granted you're not the only douchebag mod that likes to act like a total prick and think its ok because you have stars but you are the one I see doing it most often. Express your opinion all you want but for fuck sake try to remember that as a mod you are held to a higher standard than fuckwits like me & that fat fuck troll Donny or man up and turn in your worthless mod card.
Is my guess you know the people in the suburban.

Originally Posted by 1badhusky

Wait a minute...you're the moderator up in here?

Yes but not a good one

dwschultzy · 09-30-2012, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by dwschultzy

Maybe you need to leave this site, if it is indeed the typical bullshit that it's famous for.

Many of us learned to drive in vehicles that were oversized. It's the product of the vehicles that were present when we were all learning to drive. Small cars were simply not around.
That said.
Just because you learned just fine, doesn't mean that others did.

Just because you were ok with a large vehicle to start off with, doesn't mean others are.

I simply don't think the majority of the youth of today has the mental capacity to operate a motor vehicle at 15 or 16 these days. Let alone a vehicle that most adults don't have the ability to drive.

Look at modern cars for example. Auto manufacturers are coming out with parking sensors...? Auto manufacturers are coming out with cars that will parallel park for you....? WTF?
Why are manufacturers making cars easier to park and drive in city environments? Because the customers are to stupid to operate the vehicles, thats why.

Originally Posted by Desvio

Good thing everyone knows you're a troll Donny, when was the last time someone gave a shit what you think.

You're saying the moderators should be void of their own opinion?

Originally Posted by RedKat600

and kettle.

You're obviously having a bad case of selective reading......or you're just simply a retard.

Captain asshole Desvio has done nothing but attack and insult others in this tjread, because they didn't share his view point. Then uses his status as a moderator as a reason why he should be allowed to carry on his conduct.

OT:

Hopefully the child and parents are held accountable for the actions that took place. This wasn't just one person who made a poor judgement call, it was a series of poor judgement calls. Atleast in my opinion, it was. I also hope that the responsible parties seek proffessional help with dealing with this sort of incident. Mistakes happen. When a mistake makes this large of an impact on multiple lives, it would be a tough mistake to have to live with.

307T · 09-30-2012, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by lena

If this thread is to remain open, some of you need to tone down your opinions.

Kind of pathetic isn't it? Threads about bad crashes almost always seem to become train wrecks themselves.

Locutus · 09-30-2012, 02:45 PM

Well ... from another perspective ... the 66 year old rider will end up as a M/C death statistic. No doubt making this demographic (that I have entered) look worse than it is.

The 15 year old girl? Will, most likely, end up as the proverbial poor little thing. In any case ... she (and others) will be on the road in a year or so and riders, like myself, will be subjected to their ability to keep her vehicle under control.

There is always talk of accountability. Until it comes to something like this. If teenagers are going to be given a higher degree of responsibility, then they should be held to a higher standard of accountability to go along with this.

But ... when all is said and done, very little is ever done to anyone that has caused the death of a rider. Regardless of age or gender.

RedKat600 · 09-30-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by dwschultzy

You're obviously having a bad case of selective reading......or you're just simply a retard.

Captain asshole Desvio has done nothing but attack and insult others in this tjread, because they didn't share his view point. Then uses his status as a moderator as a reason why he should be allowed to carry on his conduct.

OT:

Hopefully the child and parents are held accountable for the actions that took place. This wasn't just one person who made a poor judgement call, it was a series of poor judgement calls. Atleast in my opinion, it was. I also hope that the responsible parties seek proffessional help with dealing with this sort of incident. Mistakes happen. When a mistake makes this large of an impact on multiple lives, it would be a tough mistake to have to live with.

And then you personally attack him, thus perpetuating the shitty behavior you so fervently call out.

Desvio · 09-30-2012, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by RedKat600

And then you personally attack him, thus perpetuating the shitty behavior you so fervently call out.

And we have a winner!

Since then, all those that typically join in on a controversial post and dogpile on anyone for the sake of their sad little dramatic lives. Just took a little poking to pull everyone out to prove my point.

dwschultzy · 09-30-2012, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by RedKat600

And then you personally attack him, thus perpetuating the shitty behavior you so fervently call out.

So what you're telling me is that you're a retard. My comments weren't attacks. As a matter if fact, I wasn't the only one making a comment based on his actions.

He attacked me, I stood up for myself. It's pretty evident of what transpired, unless you're a retard.


09-29-2012, 10:24 PM	#42
Nathan Peg Dragger Joined: Jul 2006 From: Seattle, WA	Another reason why I don't like riding at night. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-30-2012, 10:53 AM	#50
lena Joined: Aug 2007 From: Portland, OR Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: Monsters	If this thread is to remain open, some of you need to tone down your opinions. I understand this is a touchy topic, yet if I see more personal attacks, I will close the thread and hand out infractions if necessary, mods or not. Consider this a warning. Yes, moderators are allowed to express their opinions just like anyone else. Yet it's not OK for moderators to break rules, same as for anyone else. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-30-2012, 02:45 PM	#57
Locutus Peg Dragger Joined: Mar 2011 From: here going there. I Ride: because I can.	Well ... from another perspective ... the 66 year old rider will end up as a M/C death statistic. No doubt making this demographic (that I have entered) look worse than it is. The 15 year old girl? Will, most likely, end up as the proverbial poor little thing. In any case ... she (and others) will be on the road in a year or so and riders, like myself, will be subjected to their ability to keep her vehicle under control. There is always talk of accountability. Until it comes to something like this. If teenagers are going to be given a higher degree of responsibility, then they should be held to a higher standard of accountability to go along with this. But ... when all is said and done, very little is ever done to anyone that has caused the death of a rider. Regardless of age or gender. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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