Team Oregon BRT how many pass? - Page 6

bwboley · 08-22-2012, 07:27 AM

I passed the riding test 100% the written i missed 1 question. My class only on person failed he waa the only one to fall down too, when he stopped he forgot to put his foot down. Lol

DeLaCruz · 08-22-2012, 08:10 AM

I took the class over a year ago..and there were many with no ridding experience..and some with, the common sense rules do not apply to everyone, and thought they would pass easily but did not. It was good some of them didn't pass..179 bucks was a cheap out if you ask me..VS causing or being in a accident..a rider who is not sure of him or herself on the road is just as dangerous as some one who is over confident..in my humble opinion.

kbrodigan · 08-22-2012, 02:27 PM

I agree with most everyone here. In my class of about 20 or so, only 2 didn't pass. Frankly, they shouldn't be riding anyway.

exorcises · 08-22-2012, 04:19 PM

@calmdownbro: I like your username haha so just ride illegally?
@dscott3509: They said I stopped over long distance, I missed a couple cones, and I need to turn my head more

I never fall down tho, not even once during the class. I tried to use friction zone during the weeping too but my bike wont move and would stall. It stalled even in neutral gear or when I press the clutch down! Well I will retake the test on Sep 15th. Any tips would help.

BrandonBZ · 08-22-2012, 05:59 PM

We had one guy drop out the first day but besides that everyone passed

Wiggledbits · 08-23-2012, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Transported

Scary to think that an entire class of bike is essentially unsafe at any speed. All bikes ought to be able to brake like a sportbike. A cruiser that weighs twice what a sportbike weighs ought to have even bigger discs and calipers.

But, I guess folks who think that T-shirts and half-shells are plenty of protective equipment also think that one thin disc up front and a drum on the rear is plenty, too.

Well since many don't use the front brake why do they even need that at all?

Stringcheese · 08-23-2012, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by exorcises

@calmdownbro: I like your username haha so just ride illegally?

No, that gets expensive really quickly. If it were me I'd buy something cheap and walk it to your nearest empty parking lot and practice what the instructors were telling you. You can use the parking place lines on the pavement for guides while doing the exercises.

dscott3509 · 08-23-2012, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by exorcises

@dscott3509: They said I stopped over long distance, I missed a couple cones, and I need to turn my head more

I never fall down tho, not even once during the class. I tried to use friction zone during the weeping too but my bike wont move and would stall. It stalled even in neutral gear or when I press the clutch down! Well I will retake the test on Sep 15th. Any tips would help.

The clutch is just practice. My toughest issue was getting over the mental block to not ride the clutch. It is OK to ride the clutch on a motorcycle. I'm no instructor, so here are a couple videos that helped me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQpJDux_M-w&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Wce9Qpqo8&feature=plcp

mcthuggy · 08-24-2012, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by rideleft

I agree, those ill prepared and have a false sense of skill shouldn't ride or pass.

Yup.

Originally Posted by taznhell

I have a friend at the Salem DMV who stated that the overall pass rate at the DMV is 93%. He also stated that Team Oregon is audited if they exceed a 93% pass rate. If two out of 20 fail they are maintaining a percentage of failed students that meet the requirement and prevent an audit. They can offer a re-test and if the rider passes it is still within the DMV audit limitation. Remember Team Oregon is sponsored by the State DMV offices.

That is absolutely wrong. Team Oregon gets audited despite any passing/failing rate percentages. Moreover, the instructors don't care about being audited... they care about having safe, responsible riders on the road.

Originally Posted by Ash

The riding portion costs $25, and has to be done within 60 days or you are SOL. Chelle had to be on-call the majority of the weekends after we took it, so she couldn't retest. They really need to review that, since it's not like a nurse can simply shrug and tell the facility "Sorry, I have to take my motorcycle test." If you don't have coverage, you WILL be available at the drop of a hat.

My sister is a nurse and managed to coordinate perfectly fine. It would be harder on someone to wait more than 60 days to retest; skill can fade when not maintained.

CoastRun · 08-24-2012, 10:07 PM

I think it's BS that Team Oregon gets to have a monopoly on motorcycle training in the state. Pretty much have to take the course now that they are raising the age for a standard test at the DMV.

I took my BRC in a state that recognizes the MSF curriculum, but there are numerous groups that are licensed to teach it.

BrandonBZ · 08-25-2012, 08:33 AM

on the capt crash videos, I watched those a bunch after my class.

They were like good drills to think about when in a parking lot.

NakedPilot · 08-25-2012, 10:28 AM

My wife failed with flying colors. She was upset about wasting $179 but I pointed out she did about $1000 worth of damage to the bike, crashing 3 times during the exercises and high siding during the first "test" portion. Telling her that didn't make her any happier, haha. She DID still learn a lot and now realizes if she is gonna ride, she'll need to get her mind right and take it slow. If you complete the course (which she didn't, because she walked out after failing the test)) you CAN come back and take the test at a later time. She has gotten her learner's permit since then and has been practicing in parking lots and at the DMV. Luckily she is old enough she can still take the DMV test and doesn't NEED the MSF card. She REALLY had a hard time with clutch control and shifting since she only drives automatic cars.

Big T · 08-25-2012, 10:49 AM

As a long retired TO instructor, I can tell you that at least 30% of the general population lacks the concentration and coordination to ride a motorcycle.

Fortunately, the majority of that group realizes this, and doesn't get the motorcycle "bug"

Sometimes, a bunch of them show up at once, and the class has a high failure rate.

I had a guy on the range joking about how he could never learn to drive a stick shift car, not surprisingly he got booted as a safety hazard when he couldn't get his bike moving, kept stalling it well after the clutch exercises.

I have a friend who's a big time local rider. His wife took the class 3x over ten years and finally passed, but her instructor told her not to ride on the street without more practice.

TO has no agenda to flunk people, I think you'll find the instructors do everything possible to help students learn what they need to be able to ride.

Frankly, if you can't pass the BRT, you should re evaluate whether you're one of the 30%

NOLAduck · 08-29-2012, 08:48 PM

It would not be accurate to generalize an entire type of motorcycle as unsafe. Some cruisers are heavy, and have inadequate braking systems, others have excellent brakes regardless of their type and weight. My Thunderbird has dual discs in the front, and a single in the rear, plus a very effective abs system, which I can confirm from personal experience. Not everyone can handle a big cruiser, and I wouldn't want to see some cruiser owners on a sport bike either. I would also like to point out that not all cruisers are harleys, some are Triumphs! There is a BIG difference in technology between the two. 1938 technology vs 2010 technology.
Not all riders with cruisers ride with a half helmet, and a tshirt. I have seen far too many sport bike riders wearing cargo shorts and flip flops, and riding like a bat out of hell. I have also seen the same riding cruisers. We all ride bikes, some better and safer than others.
I went through Team Oregon, and it was a very humbling experience. I barely passed the riding test. My biggest problem was lack of practice, but the bike was also too small for my 6'1" frame. My riding skills now are night and day from when I finished the course. They were very supportive, but tough, and were not afraid of hurting my feelings. I would recommend it to anyone.

Stillblunted · 08-30-2012, 08:09 AM

My roommate and I took the class about 4 years ago. I passed, learned tons of info / skills and loved the class 100%. My roommate on the other hand was riding too aggressively for his first time and dumped the cruiser style 200's they have....he didn't pass.

porsche4786 · 08-31-2012, 03:03 PM

When I took it about 7 years or so ago, they didn't actually do a written test that I remember. I believe one person failed to pass the course. They try and do it so that nobody knows who does and who doesn't pass/fail, by calling everybody out of the room one by one.


08-22-2012, 07:27 AM	#101
bwboley Peg Dragger Joined: Jun 2010 From: Ne Portland/Vancouver I Ride: 2005 ninja 636	I passed the riding test 100% the written i missed 1 question. My class only on person failed he waa the only one to fall down too, when he stopped he forgot to put his foot down. Lol __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-22-2012, 08:10 AM	#102
DeLaCruz Newbie Joined: Aug 2012 From: Beaverton. Oregon I Ride: 1985 Ninja 900 A2	The test is not that hard.. I took the class over a year ago..and there were many with no ridding experience..and some with, the common sense rules do not apply to everyone, and thought they would pass easily but did not. It was good some of them didn't pass..179 bucks was a cheap out if you ask me..VS causing or being in a accident..a rider who is not sure of him or herself on the road is just as dangerous as some one who is over confident..in my humble opinion. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-22-2012, 02:27 PM	#103
kbrodigan Training Wheels Joined: Feb 2010 From: Portland, OR I Ride: 2005 Suzuki Katana	I agree with most everyone here. In my class of about 20 or so, only 2 didn't pass. Frankly, they shouldn't be riding anyway. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-22-2012, 04:19 PM	#104
exorcises Newbie Joined: Aug 2012 From: Wilsonville	@calmdownbro: I like your username haha so just ride illegally? @dscott3509: They said I stopped over long distance, I missed a couple cones, and I need to turn my head more I never fall down tho, not even once during the class. I tried to use friction zone during the weeping too but my bike wont move and would stall. It stalled even in neutral gear or when I press the clutch down! Well I will retake the test on Sep 15th. Any tips would help. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-22-2012, 05:59 PM	#105
BrandonBZ Licensed Joined: Apr 2011 From: Salem, Oregon I Ride: 1978 Honda CB400 (Project), 1978 Honda XL175 (Towner)	We had one guy drop out the first day but besides that everyone passed __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-24-2012, 10:07 PM	#110
CoastRun Permit Joined: Aug 2012 From: Tillamook	I think it's BS that Team Oregon gets to have a monopoly on motorcycle training in the state. Pretty much have to take the course now that they are raising the age for a standard test at the DMV. I took my BRC in a state that recognizes the MSF curriculum, but there are numerous groups that are licensed to teach it. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-25-2012, 08:33 AM	#111
BrandonBZ Licensed Joined: Apr 2011 From: Salem, Oregon I Ride: 1978 Honda CB400 (Project), 1978 Honda XL175 (Towner)	on the capt crash videos, I watched those a bunch after my class. They were like good drills to think about when in a parking lot. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-25-2012, 10:28 AM	#112
NakedPilot Endorsed Joined: Mar 2012 From: Eugene Or I Ride: 2009 Kawasaki ER6N	My wife failed with flying colors. She was upset about wasting $179 but I pointed out she did about $1000 worth of damage to the bike, crashing 3 times during the exercises and high siding during the first "test" portion. Telling her that didn't make her any happier, haha. She DID still learn a lot and now realizes if she is gonna ride, she'll need to get her mind right and take it slow. If you complete the course (which she didn't, because she walked out after failing the test)) you CAN come back and take the test at a later time. She has gotten her learner's permit since then and has been practicing in parking lots and at the DMV. Luckily she is old enough she can still take the DMV test and doesn't NEED the MSF card. She REALLY had a hard time with clutch control and shifting since she only drives automatic cars. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by NakedPilot; 08-25-2012 at 10:31 AM..


08-25-2012, 10:49 AM	#113
Big T Endorsed Joined: Sep 2006 From: Beaverton	As a long retired TO instructor, I can tell you that at least 30% of the general population lacks the concentration and coordination to ride a motorcycle. Fortunately, the majority of that group realizes this, and doesn't get the motorcycle "bug" Sometimes, a bunch of them show up at once, and the class has a high failure rate. I had a guy on the range joking about how he could never learn to drive a stick shift car, not surprisingly he got booted as a safety hazard when he couldn't get his bike moving, kept stalling it well after the clutch exercises. I have a friend who's a big time local rider. His wife took the class 3x over ten years and finally passed, but her instructor told her not to ride on the street without more practice. TO has no agenda to flunk people, I think you'll find the instructors do everything possible to help students learn what they need to be able to ride. Frankly, if you can't pass the BRT, you should re evaluate whether you're one of the 30% __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-29-2012, 08:48 PM	#114
NOLAduck Training Wheels Joined: Oct 2011 From: Milwaukie, Oregon I Ride: 2010 Triumph Thunderbird 1600	It would not be accurate to generalize an entire type of motorcycle as unsafe. Some cruisers are heavy, and have inadequate braking systems, others have excellent brakes regardless of their type and weight. My Thunderbird has dual discs in the front, and a single in the rear, plus a very effective abs system, which I can confirm from personal experience. Not everyone can handle a big cruiser, and I wouldn't want to see some cruiser owners on a sport bike either. I would also like to point out that not all cruisers are harleys, some are Triumphs! There is a BIG difference in technology between the two. 1938 technology vs 2010 technology. Not all riders with cruisers ride with a half helmet, and a tshirt. I have seen far too many sport bike riders wearing cargo shorts and flip flops, and riding like a bat out of hell. I have also seen the same riding cruisers. We all ride bikes, some better and safer than others. I went through Team Oregon, and it was a very humbling experience. I barely passed the riding test. My biggest problem was lack of practice, but the bike was also too small for my 6'1" frame. My riding skills now are night and day from when I finished the course. They were very supportive, but tough, and were not afraid of hurting my feelings. I would recommend it to anyone. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-30-2012, 08:09 AM	#115
Stillblunted Permit Joined: Aug 2010 From: Portland I Ride: 06 Honda CBR 600RR	My roommate and I took the class about 4 years ago. I passed, learned tons of info / skills and loved the class 100%. My roommate on the other hand was riding too aggressively for his first time and dumped the cruiser style 200's they have....he didn't pass. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-31-2012, 03:03 PM	#116
porsche4786 Training Wheels Joined: Jun 2012 From: OR I Ride: 2006 GSXR 600 , 2012 V-Strom 650	When I took it about 7 years or so ago, they didn't actually do a written test that I remember. I believe one person failed to pass the course. They try and do it so that nobody knows who does and who doesn't pass/fail, by calling everybody out of the room one by one. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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