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Old 08-25-2008, 11:44 AM   #1
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Team Oregon BRT how many pass?
I'm curious if anyone knows the percentage of students that pass the BRT Team Oregon class the first time?

I was in a class this weekend and 75% of the students failed. It seems deceptive that the brochures say they don't guarantee passing, but "most students pass". The only requirement is to have had experience on a bicycle.

I feel sorry for the 75% of the students that wasted $179 and didn't get endorsement. If this many students fail, why do they deceptively say "most" will pass the class?

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Old 08-25-2008, 11:54 AM   #2
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May have been luck of the draw - when I took this class (a few years back), only about 3 or 4 folks out of about 25 or so did not pass.

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Old 08-25-2008, 11:55 AM   #3
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I think out of my class only 2 people didn't pass. Almost 3 failed, but luckily I just barely scraped by.

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Old 08-25-2008, 12:05 PM   #4
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Passed with flyin colors! I was in a class of about 20 I think and only 3-4 of us passed.
I'm not sure about the brochures being deceptive, but the web site is pretty clear about it.

http://teamoregon.orst.edu/TO_Web/refund.html
There is no guarantee of course completion or graduation. Students who fail to demonstrate a minimum level of safety will be dismissed without refund. However, most students complete the course successfully.

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Old 08-25-2008, 12:09 PM   #5
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As Logan pointed out, note that is says most COMPLETE the course. It doesn't say anything about how many GRADUATE.

As a TeamOregon instructor, I can also say with relative confidence that each class varies widely in their concentration of strong vs. weak riders.

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Old 08-25-2008, 12:17 PM   #6
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i took mine when i was around 17 aced it the first time

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Old 08-25-2008, 12:35 PM   #7
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I bet it helps when you know the instructors

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Old 08-25-2008, 12:45 PM   #8
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Holly shit! My class had only one failure and this was in the middle of a cold ass, rainy December.

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Old 08-25-2008, 12:47 PM   #9
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I'm curious if anyone knows the percentage of students that pass the BRT Team Oregon class the first time?

I was in a class this weekend and 75% of the students failed. It seems deceptive that the brochures say they don't guarantee passing, but "most students pass". The only requirement is to have had experience on a bicycle.

I feel sorry for the 75% of the students that wasted $179 and didn't get endorsement. If this many students fail, why do they deceptively say "most" will pass the class?


You can re-take both the written and riding test again I believe for free if you fail. The written test consists of 50 questions and the answers are out of the book they give you. You have to score at least an 80% on the written to pass. The obstacle course consists of five skill test, cone weave, cornering, sharp turn, swerve, and braking. You have to score under 20 to pass.

I have witness people doing great on the course, and then when it comes to the test their nerves get the best of them.

The problem is most people think they can just hop on a motorcycle and go, it is no different then learning how to drive a car you have to practice. I did not learn to drive operating a manual transmission when I got my driverís license I learned driving an automatic it was easier.

Using the clutch and finding the friction zone is a key factor when taking the skills test. The cone weave and the sharp turn test usually gets everyone.

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Old 08-25-2008, 12:52 PM   #10
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When I took mine back in March, there were about 30 students total, and we broke into 2 groups for the riding. Of my group I think there were 2 or 3 that did not pass...(they were pretty discrete about it, but you could tell who in the group was having trouble, and the subsequent walk of shame after they got the bad news from the instructor) I went too fast on the swerve maneuver during the test, clipped a cone because I wasn't really understanding countersteering. I also had to do the emergency braking three times, because I was apparently braking too early. With that though, I guess I seemed competent enough to pass..so they're not total hard core, and I doubt they fail people just to get them to come back through again and collect more money or something.

Personally, I think we had good instructors in the session I was in, and I respect their opinion. If I'd been struggling as much as those other 2 or 3, I would've hoped to be told such and not pass. Better to have people take a class twice (or for at least 1 of those students to really reconsider whether they want to ride motos at all, or are just going to be too scared to ride effectively).

It's better to pass only those that are "ready", than to give folks a false sense of accomplishment, only to send them out ill prepared for the "real deal".

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Old 08-25-2008, 01:09 PM   #11
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I agree, those ill prepared and have a false sense of skill shouldn't ride or pass.

It is interesting though, if you look at the responses to this thread you see a trend.

Most of the classes people posted about here had a 75-80% fail rate OR a 75-80% success rate...either most students in the class failed OR most students passed. Could be the luck of the draw with the instructors you get I guess. Interesting.

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Old 08-25-2008, 01:12 PM   #12
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Unless the course has changed I would say anyone who fails is better off not riding on the street until they can master the basic moves.

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Old 08-25-2008, 01:17 PM   #13
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How do you know how many failed?

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Old 08-25-2008, 01:26 PM   #14
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The people who pass are given a "graduate" card to take to DMV to get there endorsment. You could see who was given one and who wasn't. Also, just general facial/body language/mood after meeting the instructors was a good indicator as well.

I was about third to last to get my card.

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Old 08-25-2008, 01:26 PM   #15
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think the pass rate was about 30-40% of my class too. their were a couple of ladies that looked like they were around before the horseless carriage though, that were freakin clueless, some are better off stickin to the max. Wasn't a snooze fest though, i highly recomend that class to everyone that asks me about getting started.

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Old 08-25-2008, 02:45 PM   #16
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i just took it i think only 1 failed maybe 2 out of 13. i guess it helped riding before i took the class Brian

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Old 08-25-2008, 02:51 PM   #17
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Took the class when I was 16, great course! Most of my class seemed very competent and I think only 2 or 3 people failed, and one of them was an experienced rider who just couldn't get over his old bad habits and therefore couldn't pass the riding portion. My mother took the class another time and said only 3 people passed, herself not included. I think that having a few strong characters in your course probably helps for the overall impression on other students' riding. I tried to make other students more comfortable by starting a honking war

I think that if you can't ace that course, however, you shouldn't get your endorsement. There was a HUGE gap in abilities from driving in a community college parking lot and driving on the busy commercial streets and if you can't even master a low speed safety course you shouldn't be allowed on the dangerous roads, none of us want to read about more inexperienced riders getting hurt.

My .02

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Old 08-25-2008, 03:37 PM   #18
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I'd have to say if they didn't pass they shouldn't have! I wouldn't say allot of people but a fair amount show up with really no experience whatsoever as well as really no idea about how a bike even works. Until they do I think it definatly in there best intrest to not have an endorsment. I have beeen riding since I was a kid and had the opportunity to learn on a dirtbike and crash my brains out on a dirtbike in the dirt/grass. I cannot imaging trying to learn to ride on a streetbike on the street. IMO everyone should have a dirtbike prior to riding a streetbike. Just my 2 cents!

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Old 08-25-2008, 04:26 PM   #19
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I took the IRT and I believe two or three were asked to brush up and come back to retake the riding portion. That was out of about 20 riders.

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Old 08-25-2008, 04:28 PM   #20
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My wife took the class in June and out of 20 1 walked out, 2 did not pass. I was watching and I could see why the did not pass scary. Team Oregon actually grades the ridden much more strictly than the DMV. That is why the have the standing with the state that they do. The later in the year the harder the state requires that a certain amount of riders fail each year it is percenatges.

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