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Old 02-16-2012, 07:59 PM   #21
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if it attaches fairly positively... it will do, till...
but if it rocks like a grog soaked gunners M8, after tightened...
Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahhaaa!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
good time to go thru and clean all conectors and grounds too...
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:49 PM   #22
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Yeah, that's not right. Looks like it might be off a 350. It looks like the right kickstarter, but the bottom part at the shaft isn't right.

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Old 02-20-2012, 06:00 PM   #23
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I Ride: 08 675, 72 XL250, 93 PW80, 80 GS250
Small but pleasing steps forward over the weekend. I collected the original tank from the guy i bought the bike from at no extra cost :-) It is dented and rusty but i think usable after a bit of work. It is complete with cap and petcock.





The gear shift lever bolt had sheared at some point and been removed with a hacksaw. I somehow managed, in my poorly lit garage, to drill the very center of the bolt leaving the original threads intact. No mean feat without a vice or pillar drill. Needless to say I was a little chuffed with myself but I think I had help from lady luck too.



I also scored a drive chain thanks to a generous forum member (alanjtc73n). What does all this mean............Wahoo! I took her for her first ride across the yard today.

I am happy to report she ran well (a little rich maybe) all the way to third with very little smoke. There was a metric shit ton when I very first started her but I am convinced someone oiled the exhaust inside and out to stop it rusting. So there is definitely hope for this to be a viable project rather than a heap of parts in various states of misfortune.

*edit - rethinking things, the large amount of initial smoke was due to the LARGE amount of cylinder "fogging" I did. I guess I was surprised it took so long to burn off. You could definitely see the oil burning off the outside of the pipe for a long time.

Next on the list is to clean the air box, make/procure a foam filter, make up a fuel line with inline filter, clean/seal tank, overhaul petcock, mount lever and hook up the front brakes and check to see if there is any oil in the forks. Then increasingly longer test rides?

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Old 02-20-2012, 06:07 PM   #24
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Oh......and anyone have any good fuel suggestions? I heard premium with a head lube additive was the way forward. All thoughts will be gratefully received.

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Old 02-25-2012, 12:54 AM   #25
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.......still chipping away, cleaned the air box up a little tonight. It still needs re-painting and a foam filter but it looks liveable for now.
Before


After one and a half hours soaking in distilled white vinegar and a little buffing...



Tank and petcock next.

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Old 02-27-2012, 06:52 PM   #26
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.......ok I wasn't going to start spending money until I knew the motor was good but I couldn't resist these.




Only $10 each from fleebay! They were off an Mt250 but I'm fairly sure they will work. They look the part at least.

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Old 03-03-2012, 12:07 AM   #27
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I Ride: 08 675, 72 XL250, 93 PW80, 80 GS250
....So I started on the Petcock thinking I was in for a lot of trouble but she came off/apart surprisingly easy but it will definitely need a rebuild kit and some work on the tank around the opening.







Got a little carried away with minutiae. It just became a personal challenge to hand file flats that would fit an 8mm socket. I win



I was going to strip the red paint off the engine returning it back to original but I'm starting to like it. Not sure that is really a good thing. Anyhoo it got my thinking whether I really wanted original or something a little individual. After all, classic or not it was still a bit of a cookie cutter production bike. I came up with a quick sketch of a tank design and Im hoping I'd be able to pull it off. The tree design needs a little work but you get the idea.



Body of the tank in gloss black with the bulging sides the original silver.

I figured I was sort of going about things the right way. You know, check to see if it was safe to try and start without fuuuking it. Get her running and then ride it a little. My idea was that if it would idle without sounding like a tin box of broken nuts and bolts riding it a couple of 100 yards would be more illuminating to me that a compression test or a bunch of numbers or clearances. Like how badly it smoked, knocked, rattled, puked, if it actually made any power. Which bits really need fixing now and what can be done later.

Having never done a project like this I've found myself second guessing myself a lot. Now Im thinking just pull the head and that will also tell me a lot too. Arrrg where has my confidence gone. Has it being swallowed by the child in me that wants it finished just the way he wants it by yesterday and not have to pay or work for it.

Its not that I'm being super lazy and wanting to do the least amount possible but I am wanting to do the least/pay the least to see if it is fixable by me and my somewhat limited means (tools, budget, time, engine rebuild experience). The number of things or possible things to do is so long I can see why people just take everything apart and then re-build it all. Piece by piece. Seems so much easier than trying to do triage.

Well after messing about with the petcock I noticed a small oil leak from the head gasket. Scrapping away some of the paint away I could see that liquid gasket had been used around the area it is leaking. I guess it is time to stop messing around with the ancillaries and put on the big boy pants and dive into the whirly bang.

I think I'm more nervous about what i might find than being short on ability to actually put it back together so that it works.

Who's running the book on this thing ending up in a parts box?

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Old 03-03-2012, 11:26 PM   #28
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Well I feel I had a productive day;
Pruned the Plum tree,
Got a rental compression test from shucks along with some valve lapping compound, Berryman's parts cleaner and a couple of odds and ends,
Gave the bike a couple of kicks (cold) to find 155psi (good comparative data),
Washed the bike,
Stripped down the spare frame and wheels for useful parts,
Organised some work space in the garage and shed,
Dried the bike and wd40'd everything!
Drained the oil/fuel mix out of the sump,
Stripped everything off the bike except wheels, handle bars and forks,
Baggy and label everything,
Pulled the motor out,
Removed the cam, fly wheel and trash cam chain.

Now I just got to get the gummed on head off.

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Old 03-03-2012, 11:43 PM   #29
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Dang mang... yer do'n GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice job on that bowl...my bowl flats rework, NEVER come out that nice... even when I use my feet for a vise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bwhahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wheel bearings, disasemble your forks for superior cleanage..headstock bearings anyone???? brake baking plate cam surfaces... swinger...and a cuppa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROCKETH ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:59 AM   #30
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Thanks for your support Ripp'n.

Here are a couple of pics from yesterday.







The last pics deserves comment. Thanks to the Haynes Manual, that came with the bike, you can see that the oil drain bolt works very well as a puller. Go at it like a fool and you'll fuk it but a few technical taps, time and loads of pb blaster it saves you a trip to the tool store.

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Old 03-04-2012, 10:05 AM   #31
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Awesome project and good fast progress too...just the way I like it!!!

Subscribed....keep it up!!

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Old 03-04-2012, 05:44 PM   #32
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Thanks Phlebmaster. It is going to be fits and starts making progress when and where I can.

Seems that today was more gardening, boo! Got a bit done though.




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Old 03-05-2012, 12:35 PM   #33
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I'm having so much fun doing this project and enjoying the excitement and vision of what this bike could be but it is time for some more sober decision making.

I could probably live with the repaired cam cover and minor head damage from a previous cam chain failure. Maybe even the worn piston and rings given the compression figures and very little smoke. But I think the sloppy small end bearing and small vertical play in the big end bearings make the motor worth more in ebay parts than a viable means of propulsion.

...........mmmmmm............I think I got myself a good parts bike

Looking back I don't think I would have changed any of my decisions and I have learnt a great deal already. At $225 in, I still have a running motor for learning on/salvaging parts, 2 frames, 4 wheels, 4 forks, 3 tanks, 2 petcocks, 2 heads, a complete set of fenders, a working carb, usable airbox, relatively nice seat, working ignition system, 4 engine side cases, kickstart lever, nice pair of gauges, a good exhaust pipe, 2 stators and a bunch of misc parts. There is still a good chance this project will go somewhere but it is a big hit for now.

I bought the bike knowing it was potentially junk but was worth more than what I paid in usable parts. The other thing I factored in is the cost of learning. You could not pay to learn this much for such a small amount. I feel I'm still very much ahead without selling a single part.

Anyone got a good motor and set of lights kicking around?

My stubborn, arrogant punk self whats to plough on at all costs but my budget curbs me. I need to make good/thifty decisions. It is easy to spend a lot of money to polish a turd but it will still be a ..........

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Old 03-05-2012, 12:56 PM   #34
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Hi Andy,

I have been where you are now a few times....sometimes it takes wisdom to know when to stop, step back and re-evaluate your project decisions. I am glad to see you are working through that process logically.

The most important part of a project is the learning stage, which you have done a lot!! You have some cool parts and if you can find the right venue, you can barter the "extra" peices you have for what you need....to me that is the most challenging part of any project, but also the most fun too!

If you can find the way, keep trying....if you run into a wall.....get a bulldozer.

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Old 03-05-2012, 04:15 PM   #35
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Hadn't thought about trading parts, great idea!

The project is not a complete right off yet but will be the most challenging part for me.....waiting, choosing direction and not giving into catastrophic thinking.

Continuing with the stripping, cleaning and assessing parts will help me learn what I really have and what I really need. It will help sort the junk from the silver linings and keep my head out of the clouds.

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Old 03-14-2012, 11:54 AM   #36
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Looking at the piston/bore wear again I notice a curious thing........

The manual suggests you can get an idea of wear by putting a feeler down the thrust side of the piston with it 3/4" down into the bore. Doing this I get a gap 3x greater that max. Just for interest I take a look at the wear on the skirt by doing the same thing but from the underside.Mmmmmm the clearance is well within spec and the runout of the bore seems to be good. Using a pretty crude vernier you can see all the wear seems to be at the crown and first ring. I was expecting the wear to be worst on the skirt. Is there a silver lining there? Could it be ok with a hone, new piston and rings? Surely this would improve the compression figures? (oh, the conversations I've been having with myself. lol)

Now with most of the engine apart I can see there is also reasonable wear in the gearbox too but I got to expect a certain amount from a 40 year old bike but I think in all honesty it is more than I'd like.





I also think I got to the bottom of the wear issues..... well my guess at least from the clues around the motor. The cam chain was left to get so slack that it was wearing the engine case. The layers in the oil spinner suggests this was happening for some time before it snapped and smashed the cam cover. In this process the oil pump had picked up something a little too solid to pump :-(



Man this difficult to decide whether to live with the devil you know or make another gamble on a motor that *seems* to be in better condition but still have to pay out for seals, unexpected parts, etc.

Here is where experience helps. Still, I feel like I've gained a bit of that too during this process so far.

The best thing at this point is for me to keep the half way good stuff and take everything else to the Bellingham swap meet next month to see what I can find. I'd really like to find a good motor instead of being pigheaded about trying to fix the one I have.

I hope this "warts and all" thread following the ebb and flow of excitement is somewhat entertaining and informative to noob project want-a-bees like me.

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Old 03-14-2012, 12:20 PM   #37
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I "might" have a 74 motor minus carb/intake/ exhaust. It was gonna be for one of my old dirttrack projects and never did anything w/. Been reluctant to post b/c as usual, I'd just given it away to a buddy. Not sure if hes serious enough about it to be motivated to use it, but I should be talking to him tonight and will ask.
If I remember right..72-75(?) are the angled intake units (bare w/ me man) and it could possibly be of some help (or headache)

I never seen it run but was told it did, so it is what it is, but will definitly let you know

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Old 03-14-2012, 12:32 PM   #38
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Cool thanks. I'd be interested for sure!

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Old 03-22-2012, 08:09 PM   #39
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its yours bro, check your pm's

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Old 03-30-2012, 03:04 PM   #40
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Thanks JTR! Hopefully picking up a motor for the xl tomorrow and with two swap meets looming there maybe hope yet.

In the meantime I've been trying to keep the momentum going by tinkering with an LT2 that came in about 5 boxes. It was mostly disassembled including the wheels. Slow progress but moving in the right direction.


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