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10-20-2009, 09:37 PM
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| Newbie Joined: May 2009 From: Seattle, WA |  Help!? Research Project for Seattle Pacific University Average age bracket of track riders: Best place to go, for performance service (Eastside Moto, EDR, MaxRPM, Speed dealers etc): What three important characteristics for a performance service shop: Do you think MV Agusta, Triumph and KTM super sports will become a power player on the tracks, like the Japanese brands? Thank you! This kinda of information is tough to nail down if you're not a track rider yourself, hopefully one day I can have a chance! Eric |
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10-20-2009, 10:06 PM
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| Emo Kid | Average age bracket of track riders: I'd say 30 cause there's a lot of young people and old people there, kinda hard to say. Best place to go, for performance service (Eastside Moto, EDR, MaxRPM, Speed dealers etc): Gixxertek in Tacoma. What three important characteristics for a performance service shop: Customer service, returning bike on a timely basis, quality of work done. Do you think MV Agusta, Triumph and KTM super sports will become a power player on the tracks, like the Japanese brands? No probably not, not only is the aftermarket for those bikes not as good as it is for the Japanese brands, but usually it is way more expensive to buy and replace parts for European bikes. When it comes to bang for the buck with performance equal to or better than one or the other, the Japanese have the Europeans beat by a long shot. |
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10-21-2009, 09:55 AM
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| Zone Head Joined: Sep 2007 From: 2nd star to the right and straight on 'til morning I Ride: on ice at 15F below zero | Racers tend to be 30 and older. Many in the 40's. Its just too expensive for most of the younger guys. Best performance shop. EASY! Speed Dealer Motors. 206-790-4900 Supporting a majority of the TOP racers at WMRRA. Eli #1 Ross De Long #2 Dan Chancy #5 And other guys consistantly up front; Aaron Gwin Jeff Seehorn Brad Gua Allister (me) Mike Tobin 3 characteristics? 1-On time 2-Reliable knowledgable work 3-Fair price The small manufacturers will not become major influences at the track until they become large manufacturers. The small companies are cool and make neat niche products, but the big 4 are powerhouses of production and technnology thta is hard to fathom. Ducati and Aprilia (mabye BMW?) seem to build pretty competitive machinery, but for 99% of the folks the Japaneese bikes are a better choice. Price, parts, service. Last edited by NoQuarter#121; 10-21-2009 at 10:01 AM.. |
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10-22-2009, 06:38 AM
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| Endorsed Joined: Nov 2008 From: Federal Way, WA I Ride: 08' CBR1000 yellow/black | Age: I'd have to say the average is 30-35, because I am 27 and I am usually one of the younger guys there for trackdays, there are a bunch of guys around my age but hardly any younger, and a bunch of older guys. Best place to go, for performance service (Eastside Moto, EDR, MaxRPM, Speed dealers etc): Not sure. What three important characteristics for a performance service shop: 1. results 2. good customer service 3. price Do you think MV Agusta, Triumph and KTM super sports will become a power player on the tracks, like the Japanese brands? These guys are probably too small to operate on that lvl. Ducati obviously does, aprilia is pretty close for WSBK and BMW might be able to get there soon. Out of the 3 you mentioned I would think ktm might be able to get up there eventually. |
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10-22-2009, 07:04 AM
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| Pit Crew | +1 with some additions 
 For my decision on builder...it came down to honesty and availablility to service. Dave is ALWAYS at the track and is always there to support others even if they don't do business with him. I had a question last year on my SV and he was right there to help...that did it for me. He got my business! I would LOVE to see other mfgs. out there. But there is just not enough support locally and with enough parts. I would love to see the 2-stroker grids bigger. I would be right there but when there are only 3-5 on the grid it really isn't worth it. Finally, I honestly believe the average age is 35+ at the track. What would be really interesting is to take the top 5 or 10 and get their age!  | |
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10-22-2009, 09:12 AM
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| Zone Head Joined: Sep 2007 From: 2nd star to the right and straight on 'til morning I Ride: on ice at 15F below zero |
#1 Eli is early mid 30's (34?) #2 Ross Is 45 ish #3 Mike is over 50 #4 Ollie is early mid 30's #5 Dan is mid 30's | |
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10-22-2009, 03:25 PM
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10-26-2009, 03:51 PM
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| Pit Crew Joined: Sep 2007 From: Seattle I Ride: 2002 RSV Mille & 2003 YZF-R6 & 2006 DRZ250 | 1) Dave Lanigan's Speed Dealer Motors (  )2) Reliable, knows his stuff, price 3) No. Bikes have to be cheap, parts and dealer available, shops that know how to build these bikes to perform. |
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10-26-2009, 04:22 PM
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| Zone Head Joined: Mar 2007 From: Seattle, WA Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: BMW K1200GT--- R.I.P., Triumph Scrambler, Ducati 1098S | I take your questions to include track-day riders, not just Wmrra or Omrra racers. I'm a track-day guy. I'm 45 years old. Been to 20 or so track days in the last three years. I estimate the average age of riders at track days I attended at 35 years old. I have no opinion on specific "performance service", but my street-legal Ducati is serviced at ESM. I value ESM's: 1. Speed of service. 2. Their willingness to let me observe what they're doing to my bike. 3. Their willingness to answer my questions on how to do things myself, even though it might cost them a chance to work on my bike. I don't think the three brands you mentioned will become "power players" at track days for these reasons: 1. Triumph doesn't make a liter-class super-sport. 2. KTMs are relatively expensive and don't have much of a local dealer network. The current dealers don't yet have a street-bike reputation as a good as ESM or Ducati Seattle. It might come, but they're not there yet. 3. Same for MVs as KTMs, only more so.
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10-26-2009, 06:37 PM
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| ducatiduane Joined: Feb 2007 From: Cheney I Ride: but not on the street. | All the old guys go through midlife crises and want to be young again  But really, without having a decent job its extremely difficult to afford racing. it is rare when I meet someone (even at a track day) my age that pays for their own stuff. Track day age is a bit younger, but not by much. Best shop: All the established performance shops (e.g. EDR, Max RPM, etc) do good work. Reliability, price, speed at which work is done. I dont care if I get my engine back tomorrow if it goes boom on Friday. |
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10-27-2009, 11:46 AM
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| Pit Crew Joined: Sep 2007 From: Seattle I Ride: 2002 RSV Mille & 2003 YZF-R6 & 2006 DRZ250 | I'm actually surprised this has not been mentioned before. Contingency cash and race support program. These small brands just don't have the $ to pay out racers for racing their machines. If I was fast enough to race for $ (which I'm far from) I would race whatever brand that paid the most (and had the potential to win, which KTM, MV, etc. all do) |
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