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TaurusRacing · 10-25-2009, 12:21 PM

Congrats to Rossi and Spies. Great rides by both. What a season for racing!

I know we have one more MotoGP race but now what are we to do over the winter?

dragracer1951 · 10-25-2009, 12:24 PM

Oh

My

God.....

First race WSB.
Just wow.
Not how I would have wanted it to finish. No one wants to win like that.. But Congrats Ben!!!!

TaurusRacing · 10-25-2009, 01:04 PM

Kind of depressing to me. I wish it could have come down to some better racing at the end. Feel for Haga. He won't have an easy time next year either. Fabrizio, Rea, Camier, Byrne, Biatchi (yes I spelled that right) are all good riders. We are probably going to see Toseland back too.

jwfzr · 10-25-2009, 01:05 PM

Wow a lowly AMA rider is the new champ. I wonder what will be said when he is cleaning up in Motogp?

TaurusRacing · 10-25-2009, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

Wow a lowly AMA rider is the new champ. I wonder what will be said when he is cleaning up in Motogp?

LMAO...yeah like he had it so easy in WSBK! Don't get me wrong, I am not one of those debaters about AMA and how good they are anywhere else. I hope he does great in MotoGP...would be incredible to have an American back on the top spot. He won't have it easy against Rossi, Pedrosa, Lorenzo or Stoner.

xrdotimcr · 10-25-2009, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

Wow a lowly AMA rider is the new champ. I wonder what will be said when he is cleaning up in Motogp?

Hook, line, and sink.

750Rider · 10-25-2009, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by TaurusRacing

. We are probably going to see Toseland back too.

Toseland and Spies are just swapping bikes

NoQuarter#121 · 10-25-2009, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

Wow a lowly AMA rider is the new champ. I wonder what will be said when he is cleaning up in Motogp?

They will be saying;

"I thought Yamaha hired him to race, not be Rossi's janitor?"

yeah, another superbike rider rolling around mid pack in the GP's.

That Vermullien better watch the F out.

Jet City Racer · 10-25-2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

They will be saying;

"I thought Yamaha hired him to race, not be Rossi's janitor?"

yeah, another superbike rider rolling around mid pack in the GP's.

That Vermullien better watch the F out.

OK, Allister, what position does your crystal ball say Ben will finish in 2010???

R.W. · 10-25-2009, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Jet City Racer

OK, Allister, what position does your crystal ball say Ben will finish in 2010???

On a Tech 3 Yamaha my prediction is around 5th, but in 2011 when he gets a factory ride he'll be fighting for a podium every week

the chemist · 10-25-2009, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Jet City Racer

OK, Allister, what position does your crystal ball say Ben will finish in 2010???

Better than his teammate that has been there way too long.

snoidoid · 10-25-2009, 08:13 PM

2010:

1 - Rossi
2 - Stoner
3 - Lorenzo
4/5 - Pedrosa/Spies

I bet 2010 is Rossi's last stand. Although he is still young, he's not so young for bikes, and the rally cars offer crazy, fast driving that is marginally less dangerous than riding, but offers an arena that I bet he feels he could learn a lot and still be competitive, unlike F1. And after all, F1 is sorta like going as fast as you can, but single file, because passing is so difficult in cars. And like bike riders, who have grown up riding, F1 drivers have grown up driving cars. Rally cars also don't pass so much, but my god, do you get to use the whole track, and the countryside too! I think Rossi could learn enough Rally skills to be a great competitor.

jwfzr · 10-25-2009, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

They will be saying;

"I thought Yamaha hired him to race, not be Rossi's janitor?"

yeah, another superbike rider rolling around mid pack in the GP's.

That Vermullien better watch the F out.

Oh my, for someone thats been around racing and into it as much you have I really thought you would be above fanboism but I guess not. Vermullen,Toseland Edwards Bayliss the list goess on and on of the former WSBK riders that actually suck ass when compared to Spies. WSBK is and always has been the second best in terms of rider talent. Go ahead and try to refute the fact that not a single WSBK Champion has ever gone onto to a championship in GP Racing. There is only one racer from Texas even worth mentioning right now and it's Spies.

DRD2 · 10-25-2009, 08:46 PM

Crazy! Haga low-sides in the first race then Spies is off the pace in the second. If Haga could have made one more position and Biaggi managed to pass Spies and put him in 7th, I think he would have lost the championship.

This has been a really fun season in WSB. It's going to be fun watching him race in MotoGP but I would be really surprised to see him pull anything close to WSB, it's just gonna be a different caliber of riders.

jwfzr · 10-25-2009, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by DRD2

Crazy! Haga low-sides in the first race then Spies is off the pace in the second. If Haga could have made one more position and Biaggi managed to pass Spies and put him in 7th, I think he would have lost the championship.

This has been a really fun season in WSB. It's going to be fun watching him race in MotoGP but I would be really surprised to see him pull anything close to WSB, it's just gonna be a different caliber of riders.

Loll... This is the exact same thing these eurofanbois were saying around here last spring before the WSBK season. Different caliber of rider? lol... Almost all of the riders in GP suck. They would be midpackers in the WSBK.

Lone Rider · 10-26-2009, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

Loll... This is the exact same thing these eurofanbois were saying around here last spring before the WSBK season. Different cliber of rider? lol... Almost all of the riders in GP suck. They would be midpackers in the WSBK.

Quit being so vague.
Great series!!
Yamaha fans win big!
Ducati fans will have to be happy with the manufacturers cup.

Stoners comeback is remarkable, Definitely a real thread to recapture his dominant form.
Both Fiat riders, both Honda riders and Ben.
Should be good, but WSBK was one of the racing series of any kind in a while!
Should be good next year too, but no good stories like Bens.

dragracer1951 · 10-26-2009, 06:00 AM

I had an interesting thought about Spies and Rossi this year. Watching Spies, when he's really pressing, he's going as fast as he can and it shows. When you think Rossi is going as fast as he can, then he turns it up...
It seems from watching both all year, that Rossi has more in reserve at any given moment.
Not being a fanboi. They are both amazing riders. Just an observation.

theJrod · 10-26-2009, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by DRD2

Crazy! Haga low-sides in the first race then Spies is off the pace in the second. If Haga could have made one more position and Biaggi managed to pass Spies and put him in 7th, I think he would have lost the championship.

This has been a really fun season in WSB. It's going to be fun watching him race in MotoGP but I would be really surprised to see him pull anything close to WSB, it's just gonna be a different caliber of riders.

Spies off the pace??? He knew what he needed to do to win, and he did just that. He had already proven he could do an entire race in the 43s (race 1). Why would he push in race 2 when he could sit back, do mid-44s, and watch the show (and mainly avoid being taken out by fabrizio). It's very smart riding on his part.

And FYI - Spies was in 5th, Biaggi in 6th. Camier was a very distant 7th, and there was no way he was passing Spies.

TaurusRacing · 10-26-2009, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

They will be saying;

"I thought Yamaha hired him to race, not be Rossi's janitor?"

yeah, another superbike rider rolling around mid pack in the GP's.

That Vermullien better watch the F out.

Didn't I hear Vermullien is going back to WSBK? I didn't look on the net...hoping my team here will tell me.

NoQuarter#121 · 10-26-2009, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

Oh my, for someone thats been around racing and into it as much you have I really thought you would be above fanboism but I guess not. Vermullen,Toseland Edwards Bayliss the list goess on and on of the former WSBK riders that actually suck ass when compared to Spies. WSBK is and always has been the second best in terms of rider talent. Go ahead and try to refute the fact that not a single WSBK Champion has ever gone onto to a championship in GP Racing. There is only one racer from Texas even worth mentioning right now and it's Spies.

I agree, Spies is a dominant SBK racer. Ask Mladin.

I disagree that Spies is > than Bayliss or Edwards or even Hayden on equal SBK machinery.

Mabye we will never know. Its a shame.
I think that Edwards, Hayden and all the former SBK racers should drop GP and go back wher they belong. WSBK baby!!!!

GP is designed for midget europeans, not meat eating, gun toting americans!

I will eat my hat if Spies is dominant at GP.
He is the best SBK rider currently racing SBK, but that does not automatically equal success on a GP bike.

I bet he struggles (in comparision) in the GP's with mabye a few podiums.

Rossi
Lorenzo
Stoner
Pedrosa

Spies

Jet City Racer · 10-26-2009, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

I bet he struggles (in comparision) in the GP's with mabye a few podiums.

Come on, gimme a number. I smell a drinking bet coming on.

NoQuarter#121 · 10-26-2009, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Jet City Racer

Come on, gimme a number. I smell a drinking bet coming on.

What number?

My guess;

3 podiums

5th overall

Jet City Racer · 10-26-2009, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

What number?

My guess;

3 podiums

5th overall

That's hardly "midpack."

Chicken.

Hawker · 10-26-2009, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

Oh my, for someone thats been around racing and into it as much you have I really thought you would be above fanboism but I guess not. Vermullen,Toseland Edwards Bayliss the list goess on and on of the former WSBK riders that actually suck ass when compared to Spies. WSBK is and always has been the second best in terms of rider talent. Go ahead and try to refute the fact that not a single WSBK Champion has ever gone onto to a championship in GP Racing. There is only one racer from Texas even worth mentioning right now and it's Spies.

Edwards is consistently the fifth or sixth fastest man in the world, and Bayliss' last and one-off entry into MotoGP ended in a victory. I don't think "suck ass" is quite the word to use. Spies is fast, and I want him to succeed, but the learning curve is just getting steeper (new tracks, new bike, new team, electronic rider aids, etc.). Edwards is still "the best of the rest", and Spies is going to be doing exceptionally well to keep up with him.

I'm excited that there is a team stocked with all American riders. It's a minor miracle that happened at all, much less with two Texans. Going to be an fun year in '10. Stoner looks like he might have something for Rossi and Lorenzo, and Spies might have the speed to add some excitement to the rest of the pack.

jwfzr · 10-26-2009, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Hawker

Edwards is consistently the fifth or sixth fastest man in the world, and Bayliss' last and one-off entry into MotoGP ended in a victory. I don't think "suck ass" is quite the word to use. Spies is fast, and I want him to succeed, but the learning curve is just getting steeper (new tracks, new bike, new team, electronic rider aids, etc.). Edwards is still "the best of the rest", and Spies is going to be doing exceptionally well to keep up with him.

I'm excited that there is a team stocked with all American riders. It's a minor miracle that happened at all, much less with two Texans. Going to be an fun year in '10. Stoner looks like he might have something for Rossi and Lorenzo, and Spies might have the speed to add some excitement to the rest of the pack.

You'll soon be seeing how Good Edwards is. He will be relagated to second fiddle after one race I assure you. Bayliss lets see how well he did when he actually raced in GP. Oh yes thats right he sucked ass. His one off race was meaningless as Hayden had the championship wrapped up a couple of laps into the race thanks to the greatest choke in GP history.

GixxerPete · 10-26-2009, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

Loll... This is the exact same thing these eurofanbois were saying around here last spring before the WSBK season. Different caliber of rider? lol... Almost all of the riders in GP suck. They would be midpackers in the WSBK.

So are you trying to say the depth of AMA talent exceeds that not only WSBK, but of MotoGP as well?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I've heard of casting a wide net, but this takes the cake!

cee-jay · 10-26-2009, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

GP is designed for midget europeans, not meat eating, gun toting americans!

Well effing said!

the chemist · 10-26-2009, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by GixxerPete

So are you trying to say the depth of AMA talent exceeds that not only WSBK, but of MotoGP as well?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I've heard of casting a wide net, but this takes the cake!

once again gixxerpete comes in twisting statements and putting words in peoples mouth.

GixxerPete · 10-26-2009, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by the chemist

once again gixxerpete comes in twisting statements and putting words in peoples mouth.

I'm not putting any bait on the hook that's not already there. Get a clue.

jwfzr · 10-26-2009, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by GixxerPete

So are you trying to say the depth of AMA talent exceeds that not only WSBK, but of MotoGP as well?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I've heard of casting a wide net, but this takes the cake!

The talent level of the AMA speaks for itself. WSBK riders have never ever gone on to win a GP championship. This year proves it's a backslide series that is no more than a last stop for aging riders on their way out. MotoGP has three riders in the neighborhood of Spies' talent level. With Mladin now retired no MotoGP is probably just a rider or two better.

E36M3K6GSXR · 10-26-2009, 11:03 PM

Rossi is the man, but that race seemed kinda staged. Lorenzo's #1 bike not starting, then he took too much time on the sighting laps and had to start at the back of the grid. Then Lorenzo and Rossi meet halfway through the order, Lorenzo passes Rossi then Rossi re-passes Lorenzo. Then Dovizioso crashes so Rossi conveniently is slotted in 3rd with a comfortable lead over Lorenzo. lol motherfucker got lucky if you ask me.

9 world championships is amazing though, he's just a great racer.

Alpine 318is · 10-26-2009, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

The talent level of the AMA speaks for itself. WSBK riders have never ever gone on to win a GP championship. This year proves it's a backslide series that is no more than a last stop for aging riders on their way out. MotoGP has three riders in the neighborhood of Spies' talent level. With Mladin now retired no MotoGP is probably just a rider or two better.

So what will you say about MotoGP and WSBK when Toseland after being 16th going back to WSBK and winning it and then Ben Spies after winning it goes to lower pack of MotoGP?

jwfzr · 10-26-2009, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Alpine 318is

So what will you say about MotoGP and WSBK when Toseland after being 16th going back to WSBK and winning it and then Ben Spies after winning it goes to lower pack of MotoGP?

Toseland winning it on the Yamaha. lol... Good one.

Funnier yet, "Spies goes to lower pack" lol... Did you not see how he did on a huge turd of a Suzuki in GP?

Alpine 318is · 10-27-2009, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

Toseland winning it on the Yamaha. lol... Good one.

Funnier yet, "Spies goes to lower pack" lol... Did you not see how he did on a huge turd of a Suzuki in GP?

You laughed a lot when you said Rossi wouldn't win in 2009. Last I checked that 2 years in a row you have been wrong. What do you have to say about that?

dragracer1951 · 10-27-2009, 06:15 AM

^^^^
Uh....nuttin.

Buckwheat · 10-27-2009, 08:47 AM

Spies success this past year did remind me of your past comments about the strength of AMA riders however, Jason.

Years ago I thought that Hodgson was going to clean up (coming from a WSBK title) in AMA. Then I thought it didn't happen because he wasn't on a Zook (they were using crank monitered traction control when the AMA was banning traction control in the form of disallowing wheel speed sensors, etc...). But this last year has proven the talent of Spies and the depth of what our AMA sadly was...but that's another story.

I too will be surprised and will eat my words if Spies does any better than 5th in GP though (Midget 250 riders>carnivorous americans for sure).

jwfzr · 10-27-2009, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Alpine 318is

You laughed a lot when you said Rossi wouldn't win in 2009. Last I checked that 2 years in a row you have been wrong. What do you have to say about that?

The sad fact is Rossi will win in MotoGP as long as he wants to now.

Nex · 10-27-2009, 11:39 AM

Rossi has luck for sure. Falling off without getting hurt, falling off and rejoining (though some other riders have managed that one too), making some pretty wild passes and making it stick (ok this is skill too).

Even if Lorenzo got a great start and finished higher in the order Rossi just needed to finish 4th or higher to win the championship. Regardless of Lorenzo and Dovi I think he would have managed that no problem.
Rain races are a bit of a gamble though... especially when teams don't have a chance to practice in the wet.

Originally Posted by E36M3K6GSXR

Rossi is the man, but that race seemed kinda staged. Lorenzo's #1 bike not starting, then he took too much time on the sighting laps and had to start at the back of the grid. Then Lorenzo and Rossi meet halfway through the order, Lorenzo passes Rossi then Rossi re-passes Lorenzo. Then Dovizioso crashes so Rossi conveniently is slotted in 3rd with a comfortable lead over Lorenzo. lol motherfucker got lucky if you ask me.

9 world championships is amazing though, he's just a great racer.

Alpine 318is · 10-27-2009, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

The sad fact is Rossi will win in MotoGP as long as he wants to now.

So you what you are saying is that the whole racing series is completely fixed?

jwfzr · 10-27-2009, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Alpine 318is

So you what you are saying is that the whole racing series is completely fixed?

Believe what you want. It's painfully obvious to all but the fanbois.


10-25-2009, 12:24 PM	#2
dragracer1951 MotoGP Champion Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 03 Are See fiddy one, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	Oh My God..... First race WSB. Just wow. Not how I would have wanted it to finish. No one wants to win like that.. But Congrats Ben!!!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-25-2009, 01:04 PM	#3
TaurusRacing Pit Crew Joined: Aug 2007 From: Marysville, WA Blog Entries: 7 I Ride: SV650 - Race \|\| TT600 - Street	Kind of depressing to me. I wish it could have come down to some better racing at the end. Feel for Haga. He won't have an easy time next year either. Fabrizio, Rea, Camier, Byrne, Biatchi (yes I spelled that right) are all good riders. We are probably going to see Toseland back too. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-25-2009, 01:05 PM	#4
jwfzr Two Wheel Art Joined: Oct 2004 From: Indy Valley North Blog Entries: 4 I Ride: cbr900rr	Wow a lowly AMA rider is the new champ. I wonder what will be said when he is cleaning up in Motogp? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-25-2009, 08:46 PM	#14
DRD2 Superbiker Joined: May 2006 From: W. Kent I Ride: 03' ZX6R	Crazy! Haga low-sides in the first race then Spies is off the pace in the second. If Haga could have made one more position and Biaggi managed to pass Spies and put him in 7th, I think he would have lost the championship. This has been a really fun season in WSB. It's going to be fun watching him race in MotoGP but I would be really surprised to see him pull anything close to WSB, it's just gonna be a different caliber of riders. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-26-2009, 06:00 AM	#17
dragracer1951 MotoGP Champion Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 03 Are See fiddy one, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	I had an interesting thought about Spies and Rossi this year. Watching Spies, when he's really pressing, he's going as fast as he can and it shows. When you think Rossi is going as fast as he can, then he turns it up... It seems from watching both all year, that Rossi has more in reserve at any given moment. Not being a fanboi. They are both amazing riders. Just an observation. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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10-25-2009, 12:21 PM	#1
TaurusRacing Pit Crew Joined: Aug 2007 From: Marysville, WA Blog Entries: 7 I Ride: SV650 - Race \|\| TT600 - Street	SPOILER*MotoGP/WSBK* Congrats to Rossi and Spies. Great rides by both. What a season for racing! I know we have one more MotoGP race but now what are we to do over the winter? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-25-2009, 08:13 PM	#12
snoidoid Training Wheels Joined: Jun 2009 From: woodinville, wa I Ride: '02 Sprint ST	2010: 1 - Rossi 2 - Stoner 3 - Lorenzo 4/5 - Pedrosa/Spies I bet 2010 is Rossi's last stand. Although he is still young, he's not so young for bikes, and the rally cars offer crazy, fast driving that is marginally less dangerous than riding, but offers an arena that I bet he feels he could learn a lot and still be competitive, unlike F1. And after all, F1 is sorta like going as fast as you can, but single file, because passing is so difficult in cars. And like bike riders, who have grown up riding, F1 drivers have grown up driving cars. Rally cars also don't pass so much, but my god, do you get to use the whole track, and the countryside too! I think Rossi could learn enough Rally skills to be a great competitor. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-26-2009, 11:03 PM	#31
E36M3K6GSXR Emo Kid Joined: Sep 2006 From: Calgary, AB Canada Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: GSXR & Buell	Rossi is the man, but that race seemed kinda staged. Lorenzo's #1 bike not starting, then he took too much time on the sighting laps and had to start at the back of the grid. Then Lorenzo and Rossi meet halfway through the order, Lorenzo passes Rossi then Rossi re-passes Lorenzo. Then Dovizioso crashes so Rossi conveniently is slotted in 3rd with a comfortable lead over Lorenzo. lol motherfucker got lucky if you ask me. 9 world championships is amazing though, he's just a great racer. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-27-2009, 06:15 AM	#35
dragracer1951 MotoGP Champion Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 03 Are See fiddy one, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	^^^^ Uh....nuttin. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-27-2009, 08:47 AM	#36
Buckwheat Zone Head Joined: Nov 2005 From: Kennewick, WA I Ride: '96 Triumph Speed Triple & '08 Kawasaki ZX-14	Spies success this past year did remind me of your past comments about the strength of AMA riders however, Jason. Years ago I thought that Hodgson was going to clean up (coming from a WSBK title) in AMA. Then I thought it didn't happen because he wasn't on a Zook (they were using crank monitered traction control when the AMA was banning traction control in the form of disallowing wheel speed sensors, etc...). But this last year has proven the talent of Spies and the depth of what our AMA sadly was...but that's another story. I too will be surprised and will eat my words if Spies does any better than 5th in GP though (Midget 250 riders>carnivorous americans for sure). __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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