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NoQuarter#121 · 11-06-2009, 12:32 PM

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=38632

2+ seconds is a lifetime in the GP's...

I'm sure he will improve with time and skill with the Bridgestone tires, but mabye, just mabye we have set our expectations to high.

I still say top 10 is a doable goal for the kid.

I got $20 bucks riding that says Edwards beats him on sunday.

late apex · 11-06-2009, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=38632

I got $20 bucks riding that says Edwards beats him on sunday.

I got that covered!

Sorry, thought you were looking for a bet

NoQuarter#121 · 11-06-2009, 01:23 PM

YOUR ON!

You can pay up at Sullivans race school.

Buckwheat · 11-06-2009, 01:32 PM

If Ben stays true to his WSBK form this year, he'll have poll position by the last session ... But I doubt that'll happen...

theJrod · 11-06-2009, 01:41 PM

For Friday practice, being only 2 tenths off Toseland, and being faster than Vermuelen... I'd say he's doing just fine. He will improve drastically come Sunday.

SiCC · 11-06-2009, 03:32 PM

spies on SBK at valencia, fastest lap 1'35.004
free practice today 1:35.052

he's doing just fine.

plus, ben has stated he doesnt like to show his cards early in practice.

late apex · 11-06-2009, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

YOUR ON!

You can pay up at Sullivans race school.

I'll be at the IMS working Sully's booth. You can pay up then!

matt3719 · 11-06-2009, 06:10 PM

it will be pretty sad for toseland if spies is ahead of him on his second day on the bike.. wont say to much for his wsb titles now will it? and is hjc going to be providing spies helmet next year? that could be great news for them! give them the chance to provide a high dollor helmet like the other top guys?

jkester92 · 11-06-2009, 08:20 PM

I never gave him to much credit...

liv4thekill · 11-06-2009, 09:06 PM

I read in a Soup interview with Ben that he considers 6th-8th place realistic goals for MotoGP races next season. A 5th or a 4th would certainly be a "win" for him considering the non-factory machinery. He can certainly win a MotoGP race, it's just that for it to happen Rossi would have to get the flu and a voodoo hex placed on him, Pedrosa, Dovi, Jorge, and Casey would all have to break stuff and be slowed down by it...or all eat really bad mexican food the night before.

I want him to win...it's just stupid to place more confidence in him than HE does.

quik99 · 11-07-2009, 06:12 PM

I was watching the qualifying round today. They said something about ben being on a test bike and the yamaha test group being there. So would that be a next year bike with a lower power/rev engine that is made to last longer? could explain some of it. He was up in 7th during qualifying but ended up at 9th at the end of it. but still pretty good for again new bike etc

Lone Rider · 11-07-2009, 07:34 PM

What a bum.
3 hours on a strange bike,tires and track and He STILL finished behind 9 of the absolute fastest riders on the planet.

Yea, He really sucks.

jwfzr · 11-07-2009, 11:09 PM

yeah, no kidding. Two former AMA guys in the top ten. How many WSBK guys in the top ten? Edwards and he's a chump.

SiCC · 11-08-2009, 12:07 AM

as stated by ben, not exact words:

no one gives a shit about quali. everyone out here has to put up big numbers because their ride depends upon it, everyone sucks come race time.

i dont care about top ten, as does most people probably. what counts is the race. i put ben @ top 6. usually i dont care about top 6 either but this race doesnt matter so im just betting for fun.

are teams aloud to gather data during races or just practices and quali's?

Buckwheat · 11-08-2009, 08:52 AM

From Superbike planet today:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/...rydernotes.htm

"Want an unbiased opinion? Let's ask Valentino: "Spies is not so bad, I'm positively impressed by Ben." So's Mick Doohan, he was talking today of Ben winning races next year and finishing deep into the top ten tomorrow. Ben won't say anything that optimistic, but lots of other people will. He's where he belongs."

quik99 · 11-08-2009, 01:21 PM

Just finished watching BBC broadcast of race. Even tho they LOVE toseland because he is the hometown hero, they were ranting and raving about spies before and after the race.

NoQuarter#121 · 11-09-2009, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by late apex

I'll be at the IMS working Sully's booth. You can pay up then!

This thread was an obvious troll...

But I will take your money...and buy overpriced stadium beers at the show.

Thanks Sucka!

Lets see, if all the deadbeats pay up, (dubious proposition at best) I made about $160 yesterday.

late apex · 11-10-2009, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

This thread was an obvious troll...

But I will take your money...and buy overpriced stadium beers at the show.

Thanks Sucka!

Lets see, if all the deadbeats pay up, (dubious proposition at best) I made about $160 yesterday.

If you made $160 you can buy me lunch at the show!

NoQuarter#121 · 11-10-2009, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by late apex

If you made $160 you can buy me lunch at the show!

Yeah, right, like any of you guys will actually PAY UP!

GixxerPete · 11-11-2009, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by liv4thekill

I read in a Soup interview with Ben that he considers 6th-8th place realistic goals for MotoGP races next season. A 5th or a 4th would certainly be a "win" for him considering the non-factory machinery. He can certainly win a MotoGP race, it's just that for it to happen Rossi would have to get the flu and a voodoo hex placed on him, Pedrosa, Dovi, Jorge, and Casey would all have to break stuff and be slowed down by it...or all eat really bad mexican food the night before.

I want him to win...it's just stupid to place more confidence in him than HE does.

I think he had a very impressive finish at Valencia. Some of the fanbois around here only show their own ignorance of racing when they think he's going to be running up front with Rossi & company right from the get go.

The jump from AMA Superbike to WSBK is not that big. The bikes are more similar than different. The biggest change is the tracks, and xbox/PS3 make that less of a handicap than it used to be. The jump from AMA or WSBK to MotoGP is *much* bigger, the bikes are totally different, and the level of competition is much greater. And WSBK and MotoGP don't run all the same tracks, so there's that again. Some would say a bigger guy like Spies coming from big heavy Superbikes is at a disadvantage on the smaller 800s that favor horse jockeys like Pedrosa or Stoner that came up on 125s and 250s that handle closer to the 800s. I have no doubt Spies will improve and is capable of running with the big dogs in time, but right out of the gate? Not gonna happen.

So yeah, some of the fanbois and noobs around here that have only been watching racing for a couple years tops and don't know wtf they're talking about gave him too much credit, but those in the know have pretty much called it all along.

Didn't you nail 7th right on the head, Alister?

GixxerPete · 11-11-2009, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

yeah, no kidding. Two former AMA guys in the top ten. How many WSBK guys in the top ten? Edwards and he's a chump.

You know why that is, don't you? It's all Ducati's fault. Because of their inferior designed bikes they pissed & moaned & bribed the WSBK officials back in the day to constantly rewrite the rules in their favor, eventually turning WSBK into the Ducati Cup, and a joke in the racing world. So much so that WSBK lost any credibility and ability to bring talent up to GPs because you couldn't tell who really had talent or not, as it was all but guaranteed the #1 factory Ducati rider would dominate WSBK, but then put that same rider in a different series or different bike and they were nothing special.

But that's all changing now as WSBK is the best series going as far as parity & good close racing. Hopefully Spies using WSBK as a stepping stone to MotoGP will cause more riders to follow suit, especially now that the AMA is a joke and laughing stock of the racing world.

evil_dave · 11-11-2009, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by GixxerPete

You know why that is, don't you? It's all Ducati's fault. Because of their inferior designed bikes they pissed & moaned & bribed the WSBK officials back in the day to constantly rewrite the rules in their favor, eventually turning WSBK into the Ducati Cup, and a joke in the racing world. So much so that WSBK lost any credibility and ability to bring talent up to GPs because you couldn't tell who really had talent or not, as it was all but guaranteed the #1 factory Ducati rider would dominate WSBK, but then put that same rider in a different series or different bike and they were nothing special.

But that's all changing now as WSBK is the best series going as far as parity & good close racing. Hopefully Spies using WSBK as a stepping stone to MotoGP will cause more riders to follow suit, especially now that the AMA is a joke and laughing stock of the racing world.

I said 7th at worst. Like that is bad, lol.

So Pete, I am just curious, is there anything at all on this planet that you are NOT an expert at and know every thing there is to know about said subject? Just wondering.

And the funny part is YOU didn't even make any predictions! Instead you come back after the fact to talk shit.

I don't think I have ever read any positive post from you towards anyone. Ever. Jesus dude. You strike me as the kind of negative person that would bitch about a bj from Megan Fox. I mean seriously, even if the bj wasn't the best, hell it's Megan Fox!

liv4thekill · 11-11-2009, 08:40 PM

FUCK YOU PETE! I don't need you agreeing with me...ESPECIALLY not when I am so blatantly obviously correct.

+rep, douchebag!

Originally Posted by GixxerPete

Originally Posted by liv4thekill

I read in a Soup interview with Ben that he considers 6th-8th place realistic goals for MotoGP races next season. A 5th or a 4th would certainly be a "win" for him considering the non-factory machinery. He can certainly win a MotoGP race, it's just that for it to happen Rossi would have to get the flu and a voodoo hex placed on him, Pedrosa, Dovi, Jorge, and Casey would all have to break stuff and be slowed down by it...or all eat really bad mexican food the night before.

I want him to win...it's just stupid to place more confidence in him than HE does.

I think he had a very impressive finish at Valencia. Some of the fanbois around here only show their own ignorance of racing when they think he's going to be running up front with Rossi & company right from the get go.

The jump from AMA Superbike to WSBK is not that big. The bikes are more similar than different. The biggest change is the tracks, and xbox/PS3 make that less of a handicap than it used to be. The jump from AMA or WSBK to MotoGP is *much* bigger, the bikes are totally different, and the level of competition is much greater. And WSBK and MotoGP don't run all the same tracks, so there's that again. Some would say a bigger guy like Spies coming from big heavy Superbikes is at a disadvantage on the smaller 800s that favor horse jockeys like Pedrosa or Stoner that came up on 125s and 250s that handle closer to the 800s. I have no doubt Spies will improve and is capable of running with the big dogs in time, but right out of the gate? Not gonna happen.

So yeah, some of the fanbois and noobs around here that have only been watching racing for a couple years tops and don't know wtf they're talking about gave him too much credit, but those in the know have pretty much called it all along.

Didn't you nail 7th right on the head, Alister?

Lone Rider · 11-11-2009, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by evil_dave

I said 7th at worst. Like that is bad, lol.

So Pete, I am just curious, is there anything at all on this planet that you are NOT an expert at and know every thing there is to know about said subject? Just wondering.

And the funny part is YOU didn't even make any predictions! Instead you come back after the fact to talk shit.

I don't think I have ever read any positive post from you towards anyone. Ever. Jesus dude. You strike me as the kind of negative person that would bitch about a bj from Megan Fox. I mean seriously, even if the bj wasn't the best, hell it's Megan Fox!

OH My.......,

jwfzr · 11-12-2009, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by GixxerPete

You know why that is, don't you? It's all Ducati's fault. Because of their inferior designed bikes they pissed & moaned & bribed the WSBK officials back in the day to constantly rewrite the rules in their favor, eventually turning WSBK into the Ducati Cup, and a joke in the racing world. So much so that WSBK lost any credibility and ability to bring talent up to GPs because you couldn't tell who really had talent or not, as it was all but guaranteed the #1 factory Ducati rider would dominate WSBK, but then put that same rider in a different series or different bike and they were nothing special.

But that's all changing now as WSBK is the best series going as far as parity & good close racing. Hopefully Spies using WSBK as a stepping stone to MotoGP will cause more riders to follow suit, especially now that the AMA is a joke and laughing stock of the racing world.

Thank you for the bite Pete. Petes are getting harder and harder to catch these days. Some blame over fishing but I know damn well it's the damn sea lions.
Now onto the Ducati cup. I do agree with about Ducati and the joke that was the Ducati cup but really that was only really a two year stretch when it was a complete joke.That does not explain that throughout it's entire history nobody has ever gone on to win a GP or Motogp title.

GixxerPete · 11-12-2009, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by evil_dave

I said 7th at worst. Like that is bad, lol.

So Pete, I am just curious, is there anything at all on this planet that you are NOT an expert at and know every thing there is to know about said subject? Just wondering.

Well my quantum physics are a beat weak, but I'm taking night classes to brush up on that.

And the funny part is YOU didn't even make any predictions! Instead you come back after the fact to talk shit.

Because I think they're pointless. There's no way to predict an outcome of race, so I don't bother. I had my own thoughts on how Spies might do, I just didn't feel the need to post them here so I could later gloat that my wild ass guess happened to come true.

[quopte]I don't think I have ever read any positive post from you towards anyone. Ever. Jesus dude. You strike me as the kind of negative person that would bitch about a bj from Megan Fox. I mean seriously, even if the bj wasn't the best, hell it's Megan Fox!

[/QUOTE]

You must suffer from selective reading then. I give props where due.. Rossi, Lorenzo, Haga, Mladin for example and yes even Spies. But in the case of Spies, there are so many clueless idiots around there that think dominating AMA Superbike is the same thing as dominating MotoGP, that because one rider in the AMA is really good that the rest of AMA talent is on par or greater than WSBK/MotoGP talent, and that Spies is going to walk all over the likes of Rossi, Lorenzo etc and it just ain't gonna happen. So it's not a case of being negative, just realistic.

NoQuarter#121 · 11-12-2009, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by GixxerPete

Because I think they're pointless. There's no way to predict an outcome of race, so I don't bother. I had my own thoughts on how Spies might do, I just didn't feel the need to post them here so I could later gloat that my wild ass guess happened to come true. .

I didn't guess.

I KNEW

Cuz I'm so dang smart and everything.

(quietly gloating in my office, while I shirk real work that needs to be done)

Cleophus James · 11-12-2009, 12:06 PM

As noted before, if you always have an element of diminishing others in your communication style, you undermine your own value and prevent any of your concepts from being accepted by vast majority of recipients. This includes both those who have been dominished and those who merely oserve the diminishment.

It's not my advice to avoid this, but it's good advice.

Back to the topic. It's going to be exciting to see if Ben can run in the top 6 regularly. I think a good measure for him will be how much he improves relative himself, but that is difficult to quantify. I think his progress relative to Edwards times, especially average of the top 5 fastest laps for each, will be something that I watch.

Do I think he will earn a podium? Not really. Can he shock the world(win)? I'll allow for the possibility. More farfetched things happen, that's for sure.

GixxerPete · 11-12-2009, 07:37 PM

It's hard to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys.

evil_dave · 11-12-2009, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by GixxerPete

It's hard to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys.

Somewhere there is a short bus at a bus stop with it's red lights flashing, waiting for you...

jwfzr · 11-13-2009, 12:28 AM

There is some good stuff here fellas.

GixxerPete · 11-13-2009, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by evil_dave

Somewhere there is a short bus at a bus stop with it's red lights flashing, waiting for you...

No it's waiting for you, dummy. My house is the next stop.

jvlrc51 · 11-13-2009, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

yeah, no kidding. Two former AMA guys in the top ten. How many WSBK guys in the top ten? Edwards and he's a chump.

Edwards is a chump!. Are you serious, what do you base your opinion on? Or were you nipping at the cooking sherry before you posted that ridiculous statement.

:

JVLRC51

jwfzr · 11-13-2009, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by jvlrc51

Edwards is a chump!. Are you serious, what do you base your opinion on? Or were you nipping at the cooking sherry before you posted that ridiculous statement.

:

JVLRC51

Just look at his results and listen to him. He has no interest and has not had any interest in winning anything in GP. He constantly is sucking up to Rossi. The guy is a hollow shell of what he once was in superbike.

jvlrc51 · 11-13-2009, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

Just look at his results and listen to him. He has no interest and has not had any interest in winning anything in GP. He constantly is sucking up to Rossi. The guy is a hollow shell of what he once was in superbike.

You're right a 5th place finish for the 2009 season is terrible: NOT! And it has been 7 years since superbike 2002 when he won the championship. More importantly he's not even riding the premier Yamaha machine. If you think having respect for someone like Rossi is sucking up, then you truly are hitting the cooking sherry a little too hard. Slow down on the sherry so you can think straight

. Colin is in the twilight of his racing career, and is probably the oldest competitor out there. Finally, the hollow shell should be winning because all the other riders are terrible, right?

JVLRC51 OUT

dragracer1951 · 11-14-2009, 04:53 AM

Fish On!!!!

jwfzr · 11-14-2009, 08:59 AM

There is no way he should be racing in GP anymore. He has no desire to win and yes if you had any desire to win you would not constantly be saying how great Rossi was. You'd be trying to figure out how to beat him. Don't make excuses for the guy he's a chump and needs to get out. He's just doddling around out there. He has no heart and no balls.

quik99 · 11-14-2009, 09:08 AM

He is doddling around infront of 90% of the field. And I hear spies, Jorge, stoner, etc talk about how fast and good others are.

Originally Posted by jwfzr

There is no way he should be racing in GP anymore. He has no desire to win and yes if you had any desire to win you would not constantly be saying how great Rossi was. You'd be trying to figure out how to beat him. Don't make excuses for the guy he's a chump and needs to get out. He's just doddling around out there. He has no heart and no balls.

jwfzr · 11-14-2009, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by quik99

He is doddling around infront of 90% of the field. And I hear spies, Jorge, stoner, etc talk about how fast and good others are.

What do you think those guys would say about the other riders? He's doddling around on a bike that is vastly superior to anything out there. The guy is a complete chump and should not be racing. When he talks about getting 5th place as a victory your a chump and should no longer be racing.

jvlrc51 · 11-14-2009, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

What do you think those guys would say about the other riders? He's doddling around on a bike that is vastly superior to anything out there. The guy is a complete chump and should not be racing. When he talks about getting 5th place as a victory your a chump and should no longer be racing.

Damm! I don't want to draw this out, but with the statements you just made I'm of the opinion you are just mental

and can't support your position with facts. Take care!

JVLRC51 OUT


11-06-2009, 01:23 PM	#3
NoQuarter#121 Zone Head Joined: Sep 2007 From: 2nd star to the right and straight on 'til morning I Ride: on ice at 15F below zero	YOUR ON! You can pay up at Sullivans race school. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-06-2009, 01:32 PM	#4
Buckwheat Zone Head Joined: Nov 2005 From: Kennewick, WA I Ride: '96 Triumph Speed Triple & '08 Kawasaki ZX-14	If Ben stays true to his WSBK form this year, he'll have poll position by the last session ... But I doubt that'll happen... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-06-2009, 01:41 PM	#5
theJrod Moderator Joined: Feb 2006 From: Marysville, WA I Ride: Scooty Puff Sr: The Doom-Bringer!	For Friday practice, being only 2 tenths off Toseland, and being faster than Vermuelen... I'd say he's doing just fine. He will improve drastically come Sunday. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-06-2009, 03:32 PM	#6
SiCC MotoGP Contender Joined: Apr 2006 From: Gig Harbor Isle I Ride: GSXR750, F4750	spies on SBK at valencia, fastest lap 1'35.004 free practice today 1:35.052 he's doing just fine. plus, ben has stated he doesnt like to show his cards early in practice. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by SiCC; 11-06-2009 at 03:41 PM..


11-06-2009, 06:10 PM	#8
matt3719 Pit Crew Joined: Aug 2009 From: joplin, MO to pdx I Ride: 03 R1	it will be pretty sad for toseland if spies is ahead of him on his second day on the bike.. wont say to much for his wsb titles now will it? and is hjc going to be providing spies helmet next year? that could be great news for them! give them the chance to provide a high dollor helmet like the other top guys? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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11-06-2009, 12:32 PM	#1
NoQuarter#121 Zone Head Joined: Sep 2007 From: 2nd star to the right and straight on 'til morning I Ride: on ice at 15F below zero	Did we give Elboz or the Texas Terro too much credit? http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=38632 2+ seconds is a lifetime in the GP's... I'm sure he will improve with time and skill with the Bridgestone tires, but mabye, just mabye we have set our expectations to high. I still say top 10 is a doable goal for the kid. I got $20 bucks riding that says Edwards beats him on sunday. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-06-2009, 08:20 PM	#9
jkester92 Pit Crew Joined: Aug 2007 From: WOODINVILLE I Ride: 08 1098R/ 06 999S/ 07 R1/ 04 ZRX1200	I never gave him to much credit... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by jkester92; 11-07-2009 at 12:45 AM..


11-06-2009, 09:06 PM	#10
liv4thekill Mr. Lexus Joined: Aug 2005 From: Redmond,WA I Ride: R1? R6?	I read in a Soup interview with Ben that he considers 6th-8th place realistic goals for MotoGP races next season. A 5th or a 4th would certainly be a "win" for him considering the non-factory machinery. He can certainly win a MotoGP race, it's just that for it to happen Rossi would have to get the flu and a voodoo hex placed on him, Pedrosa, Dovi, Jorge, and Casey would all have to break stuff and be slowed down by it...or all eat really bad mexican food the night before. I want him to win...it's just stupid to place more confidence in him than HE does. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-07-2009, 06:12 PM	#11
quik99 Pit Crew Joined: Jul 2007 From: Olympia I Ride: K6 GSXR 600	I was watching the qualifying round today. They said something about ben being on a test bike and the yamaha test group being there. So would that be a next year bike with a lower power/rev engine that is made to last longer? could explain some of it. He was up in 7th during qualifying but ended up at 9th at the end of it. but still pretty good for again new bike etc __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-07-2009, 07:34 PM	#12
Lone Rider Streetfighter Joined: Feb 2009 From: Sunny San Diego til mid nov then back to rain I Ride: Schwinn	What a bum. 3 hours on a strange bike,tires and track and He STILL finished behind 9 of the absolute fastest riders on the planet. Yea, He really sucks. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-07-2009, 11:09 PM	#13
jwfzr Two Wheel Art Joined: Oct 2004 From: Indy Valley North Blog Entries: 4 I Ride: cbr900rr	yeah, no kidding. Two former AMA guys in the top ten. How many WSBK guys in the top ten? Edwards and he's a chump. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-08-2009, 12:07 AM	#14
SiCC MotoGP Contender Joined: Apr 2006 From: Gig Harbor Isle I Ride: GSXR750, F4750	as stated by ben, not exact words: no one gives a shit about quali. everyone out here has to put up big numbers because their ride depends upon it, everyone sucks come race time. i dont care about top ten, as does most people probably. what counts is the race. i put ben @ top 6. usually i dont care about top 6 either but this race doesnt matter so im just betting for fun. are teams aloud to gather data during races or just practices and quali's? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-08-2009, 08:52 AM	#15
Buckwheat Zone Head Joined: Nov 2005 From: Kennewick, WA I Ride: '96 Triumph Speed Triple & '08 Kawasaki ZX-14	From Superbike planet today: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/...rydernotes.htm "Want an unbiased opinion? Let's ask Valentino: "Spies is not so bad, I'm positively impressed by Ben." So's Mick Doohan, he was talking today of Ben winning races next year and finishing deep into the top ten tomorrow. Ben won't say anything that optimistic, but lots of other people will. He's where he belongs." __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-08-2009, 01:21 PM	#16
quik99 Pit Crew Joined: Jul 2007 From: Olympia I Ride: K6 GSXR 600	Just finished watching BBC broadcast of race. Even tho they LOVE toseland because he is the hometown hero, they were ranting and raving about spies before and after the race. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-12-2009, 12:06 PM	#28
Cleophus James Endorsed Joined: May 2008 From: Irkutsk, USSR I Ride: Your sister	As noted before, if you always have an element of diminishing others in your communication style, you undermine your own value and prevent any of your concepts from being accepted by vast majority of recipients. This includes both those who have been dominished and those who merely oserve the diminishment. It's not my advice to avoid this, but it's good advice. Back to the topic. It's going to be exciting to see if Ben can run in the top 6 regularly. I think a good measure for him will be how much he improves relative himself, but that is difficult to quantify. I think his progress relative to Edwards times, especially average of the top 5 fastest laps for each, will be something that I watch. Do I think he will earn a podium? Not really. Can he shock the world(win)? I'll allow for the possibility. More farfetched things happen, that's for sure. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-12-2009, 07:37 PM	#29
GixxerPete Forum Synopsizer Joined: Jul 2006 From: Point Lookout I Ride: 08 KLR650, 06 DRZ400SM, 04 CRF250X, 03 XR50	It's hard to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-13-2009, 12:28 AM	#31
jwfzr Two Wheel Art Joined: Oct 2004 From: Indy Valley North Blog Entries: 4 I Ride: cbr900rr	There is some good stuff here fellas. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-14-2009, 04:53 AM	#36
dragracer1951 MotoGP Champion Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 03 Are See fiddy one, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	Fish On!!!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-14-2009, 08:59 AM	#37
jwfzr Two Wheel Art Joined: Oct 2004 From: Indy Valley North Blog Entries: 4 I Ride: cbr900rr	There is no way he should be racing in GP anymore. He has no desire to win and yes if you had any desire to win you would not constantly be saying how great Rossi was. You'd be trying to figure out how to beat him. Don't make excuses for the guy he's a chump and needs to get out. He's just doddling around out there. He has no heart and no balls. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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